Select Committee on Modernisation of the House of Commons Minutes of Evidence


Submission from Rt Hon Michael Jack MP

  In general, I agree with the overall finding that the House needs to improve the way Westminster Members engage with Europe. However desirable this is, I would be the first to recognise that not all colleagues would share in such an objective. For some, who are already involved in Select Committee work where European matters are involved, they will already have the opportunity, where necessary to engage in detailed dialogue with the Commission and other European Politicians on matters which are relevant to their Committee's particular inquiry.

  As you know I am presently the Chairman of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Select Committee and we do try, once every six months, to visit the Commission for an update on activities relevant to our area.

  It is during these visits that you realise there is one key area of European activity that appears to be missing entirely from the document you produced. As you will be aware, a great deal of European legislation is initially the subject of early forms of consultation by means of Commission generated papers. The principle problem about our Parliament's involvement in the Scrutiny of forthcoming "European Attractions" is the fact we are involved far too late in the process. When the Commission consult on ideas this is usually upstream of even the Council of Ministers becoming involved. So at this stage in the process it is possible to have a great deal more influence over the shaping of the ideas of European policy than when they have been subject to Council discussions.

  I do believe that in your proposals you should look at opportunities to enable Parliamentarians to contribute to European Consultation Exercises. In that context, it would be helpful if either Ministers or Senior Civil Servants who are involved in their department's European work could provide briefing sessions for Members to alert them to new proposals from the Commission whilst at the same time advising them of the implications of the proposals that are coming forward.

  One of the problems, which again the paper does not address, is the fact that our Parliamentary Scrutiny processes are geared to the requirement by the Council of Ministers that National Parliament remove their scrutiny reserve before a Minister signifies either agreement or disagreement with a Commission proposal.

  This Government and its predecessors have not been minded to hold simultaneous discussions with Parliament and fellow European Ministers in order to reflect the will of the House as they negotiate on behalf of Britain on particular matters. Each Government has therefore decided its position on a European issue and has therefore effectively had that stance rubber-stamped by using existing Parliamentary Scrutiny processes.

  The present Government would have to decide whether it was prepared to debate in such a way that the House could put forward amendments to Britain's negotiating position to which Ministers would have to respond prior to going to Council and representing the Country's interests on a particular matter.

  At the commencement of the document you ask for views on the subject of whether we should have some form of Grand Committee Arrangement Meeting on a quarterly basis which would give all members of the House an opportunity to engage in European issues. There is merit in pursuing this line of thinking but if it is to work then some way would have to be found to lessen the competition it would face from for example, either business in the Chamber or Westminster Hall.

  Perhaps, in the context of modernising the House's procedures, thought could be given to once a quarter having a so-called "Committee Day" where this and other activities not involving the whole House could be run so ensuring better attendance in the light of there being no main business on that occasion in the Chamber.

  Your document refers to the current Debates on the Floor of the House based on the Foreign Secretary's European White Paper. In this context might I suggest that it would be useful on a monthly basis to produce some form of European Newsletter where the Foreign Office could, with the help of other Departments, produce a summary of the key activities that were being pursued by the Commission, the Council of Ministers and the Parliament. Like our own House, Europe generates a large number of measure about which we know very little simply because they are not in the area of special interest of all Members. The House might also consider holding a "Euro-Day" once a quarter, where a large range of topics could be put to Ministers for questioning. If this were done then the need for a Debate on the Floor of the House would be negated. Such a proposal could incorporate the proposal to have a cross-cutting Question and Answer session on European issues.

  Might I also ask that consideration be given to developing some form of large scale video conferencing link where Members could come along and put their points directly to the Commission without always having the need to travel to Brussels.

  The document goes on to debate the more detailed European Scrutiny System. Unless the timetable for these events is modified, so Ministers can be quizzed well before positions have been agreed in the Council of Ministers, this process has little relevance. Too often it is the case that the scrutiny takes place too late to have any real effect on the British Government's negotiating stance on a particular issue. In this context there is also a need to consider better and clearer documentation. For those who do not deal with Directives and Regulations every day of the week, they can be daunting documents. Not everyone understands "Euro-speak". We have a much better idea of how our own legislation is written and we do not always know the meaning of the language used in European documentation.

  Our present system of explanatory memoranda is, to say the least, limited in giving Members an insight in to what the EU legislation means. Even the work of our European Scrutiny Committee does not provide a complete and intelligible overview of the implications to the United Kingdom of a particular proposal. What we need is clearer documentation to inform the process of Scrutiny.

  Towards the end of the document there is a suggestion that some Scrutiny business should be sub-contracted to Select Committees. I discussed this matter with my own Committee and they were universally against this proposal. We would rather be involved in European matters on an "as of need" basis rather than part of our Scrutiny duties. In a Committee like Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, we already have a very heavy workload to ensure a proper balance of Scrutiny across the wide-ranging areas of responsibility of the Department.

  Finally, I think there may well be a need to expand the role of UKREP in helping to arrange Members' visits to the Commission, etc, in order to help those who wish to do their own individual work in preparing for Parliament's enhanced Scrutiny Process. In that context I strongly support the proposal to provide colleagues with language facilities. So far in the representations I have made to the Foreign Office on this matter the suggestion is that Members would have to pay for this type of tuition.

  If we really are to engage in terms of Europe then it is important that Parliament does all it can to encourage Members to fully involve themselves in this very important area.

May 2004





 
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