Select Committee on Modernisation of the House of Commons Minutes of Evidence


Supplementary submission from Hon Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody MP

  1.  I strongly support proposals which strengthen Members' engagement with European matters, and which increase the House's influence over the Government. I very much welcome the fact that select committees have been given the explicit task of examining policy proposals from the European Commission as part of the "core tasks". My Committee takes this extremely seriously. I attach a list of European matters we have looked at over the last year (Annex 1), and an example of a letter from one of the clerks of my Committee (Annex 2) asking the Department for Transport for more information about an online consultation the European Commission has launched on the reform of EU passenger car taxation systems. We have put in place better links between our staff and the staff of the European Scrutiny Committee to help us keep abreast of European matters. However, competence for transport remains shared between the European Community and the Member States. As a result it is very rare that our inquiries are solely concerned with European policy. This means the extent of our interest can be easily overlooked.

CORE TASKS

  2.  Although I am a strong supporter of select committee examination of European matters, I do not think that asking select committees to operate the scrutiny reserve will improve European scrutiny. I believe there is a real risk that it could reduce the effectiveness of departmental select committees. We do not have time to consider every important transport development in the United Kingdom at present; we choose inquiries carefully. Our freedom to set out our own agenda has already been limited to some extent by the new emphasis on Liaison Committee "core tasks", which of course I support. The Committee has been making a conscious attempt to ensure that its work engages with the work of the House, and with Government proposals. We have looked at the transport aspects of two Bills and two draft Bills this session, and last session we engaged with the Government's consultation on the Future of Air Transport. This necessarily restricts our time for "agenda setting" inquiries, although such inquiries can be very useful in ensuring that the Government has to address policy issues which are of interest to backbenchers, no matter how politically inconvenient. A formal requirement to operate the scrutiny reserve would restrict our freedom of action, and freedom to address matters which the Government would rather ignore, still further.

  3.  You will see from the list attached to this note that in many cases we are interested in the way in which the United Kingdom implements European legislation once it has been agreed, as well as the evolution of policy proposals. Too much emphasis on prior scrutiny would limit our ability to undertake this important work.

THE SCRUTINY RESERVE

  4.  I believe that the operation of the scrutiny reserve by the European Scrutiny Committee is fundamentally different from the type of scrutiny that departmental committees are well-placed to perform. The only way in which departmental committees could operate a scrutiny reserve and retain their independence would be if the reserve was no longer to be rigorously applied to all European business, but simply to those documents which attracted the attention of the departmental committee concerned. I would not support such a limitation on the powers of the House.

  5.  Mr Jack made a useful distinction between "upstream" and "downstream" scrutiny. The "scrutiny reserve" can be seen as essentially a "downstream" mechanism. This is an oversimplification, because the European Scrutiny Committee tracks documents from a very early stage (I understand that it had reported on the Commission discussion document floating the car taxation proposals mentioned above two years ago, although consultation has only now begun.) Nonetheless, in essence that Committee looks at documents and the associated Government negotiating position, and decides whether it is appropriate to keep a matter under review, lift the reserve, or require a debate. This is a valuable, but extremely rigorous and extremely resource intensive process. Moreover, the speed with which a particular proposal advances is not within either the Committee's or the Government's control, and the Committee can end up recommending a proposal for debate to find that it is not debated for several months, or that only one day's notice of the debate is given. A departmental select committee could only cope with the unexpected nature of this work by postponing carefully arranged evidence sessions, and frequent rearrangement of its programme. I believe this would harm select committees' credibility with witnesses, as well as inconveniencing and annoying Members.

  6.  The European Scrutiny Committee is also well placed to identify proposals which are interrelated, although they affect different departments; for example, when we intervened on a Framework Decision on control of pollution from ships, we received a reply from the Home Office. There are or should be links between some transport Directives and environmental Directives. Departmental committees cannot give this overview.

  7.  It is important to remember that in most cases even if the House has a theoretical veto over the Government, the United Kingdom Government has no veto over European Union legislation. It is usually better for the United Kingdom if the Government can engage actively in negotiations; a Government which was forced regularly to abstain from voting because the reserve had not been lifted would lose influence in Europe. I do not think that anyone in the House would want that. Indeed the scrutiny reserve explicitly allows a Minister to agree to a proposal while scrutiny continues if "he decides that for special reasons agreement should be given". Effectively, a departmental select committee would find itself either having to agree to the Government's negotiating position at short notice without proper scrutiny, to ensure that the Government could engage properly, or delay a scrutiny, and take the risk that a Minister might agree to proposals for "special reasons". If Ministers did this routinely, the credibility of the House's European scrutiny system would be undermined.

  8.  Moreover, as Joan Ruddock made clear, European businesses is whipped. Since it concerns the United Kingdom's international negotiating position, it is hard to see how it could not be. If departmental select committees formally operated the reserve, there would inevitably be pressure to whip European business in them. That would, in my view, be a most undesirable precedent. Once whipping was accepted for EU business, it would be easily extended to other matters under consideration by the select committees.

"UPSTREAM SCRUTINY"

  9.  As far as a departmental Committee is concerned, in many cases it will be interested in the development of policy, rather than the particular documents before the House; in Mr Jack's "upstream" considerations. The Transport Committee already undertakes such "upstream scrutiny", although it is not necessarily identified as such. European policy issues often arise during the Committee's examination of broad topics, such as "aviation" and "ports"—matters which I referred to as "thematic inquiries". In these cases, our reports contain recommendations which leave the Government in no doubt about the Committee's view on European matters. For example, we have already expressed our reservations about Community accession to ICAO and IMO, which is currently under observation by the European Scrutiny Committee (and has been for at least two years). There seems no point in requiring the Transport Committee to repeat its views every time the proposals return to the Council agenda.

INTERACTION WITH THE EUROPEAN SCRUTINY COMMITTEE

  10.  As I said in my evidence, the European Scrutiny Committee does not usually have a direct influence on our programme. Given the inherent uncertainties about the timing of European legislative proposals, this is unsurprising. It would be perfectly possible for us to start an inquiry on a particular document only to discover either that the proposal had been shelved indefinitely, or that it was agreed almost immediately after our inquiry had been announced. This does not mean that we do not draw upon the European Scrutiny Committee's work. Once an inquiry has identified a particular European matter as of interest, the Scrutiny Committee's reports provide the best and most accessible briefing available, and an extremely valuable way to trace the development of a particular proposal over the years. In addition, we use Scrutiny Committee reports as a way of keeping an eye on developments in Europe.

  11.  There is one exception to this rule; after a European Scrutiny Committee recommendation for debate, we have issued a call for evidence on the GALILEO satellite programme in the knowledge that it is likely to be discussed at the December Transport and Telecoms Council. At this stage we have not decided whether we will limit our intervention to publishing the evidence we receive so that our colleagues in the House can use it in any further debate, or whether we will conduct a brief inquiry. Our decision will depend on what the written evidence reveals, and on other decisions we make about our programme. Normally, we would not expect to call for written evidence alone, but the time pressures may make it impossible to do more. This illustrates the difficulty of expecting a departmental committee to operate the scrutiny reserve. I believe it is rare to have such long notice that a particular project will be discussed at a Council, but even so we may not be able to find time to deal with it.

PROPOSALS

  12.  If the House and the Government seriously want departmental select committees to engage still more with European business, we need to do different things and to use a different sort of information from that provided for the European Scrutiny Committee.

  13.  We have already asked the Department for Transport for agendas of forthcoming Council meetings. However, there could be great value in regular updates about working groups, so that we knew what was being addressed at official level. This would not necessarily lead to a greater number of readily identifiable "European" inquiries; but it would help us determine the timing and precise terms of reference of broader, thematic inquiries, and ensure those inquiries were well informed. Early warning would increase the likelihood the Transport Committee had already looked at matters which the European Scrutiny Committee identified for debate, and had reported on those which concerned it. There may be circumstances where a full inquiry is not feasible, but a departmental committee still has concerns, or where recommendations about European matters are one part of a wide-ranging report. In such cases select committees could be given a power to draw particular proposals to the attention of the European Scrutiny Committee with a request that the departmental committee should be alerted when the relevant document appeared, so that the two committees could consider whether they wish to work together.

  14.  Such a system would retain departmental select committees' freedom to set their own agenda, and all Members' right to participate in debate on the scrutiny reserve, while ensuring the House was better informed about European matters.

September 2004

Annex 1

EU CONTENT OF TRANSPORT COMMITTEE REPORTS

Aviation (HC(2002-03) 454-I

  Air Service Agreements;

  Slot allocation and public service agreements;

  EU membership of the International Civil Aviation Organisation;

  Air quality;

  Noise regulation.

Ports (HC(2002-03) 783-I

  Access to Port Services Directive

  Maritime Statistics Directive

  State Aids

  Habitats Directive

The Work of the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (HC(2003-04)500

  European legislation on licensing of masters of inland waterway vessels.

Financial Protection for Air Travellers (HC(2003-04)806-I

  Possible EU consumer protection legislation for travellers.

ONGOING INQUIRIES

European Community Competence and Transport

  All areas of Community competence, but focussing on

    —  Negotiations with the US on aviation agreements;

    —  Proposals for the "Euro vignette" system for road user charging;

    —  The draft directive and draft framework decision on the enforcement of the law against ship source pollution;

    —  The third rail package.

Galileo

  EU satellite project.

Tonnage tax

  European tax regimes.

Cars of the Future

  Directives on emissions and pedestrian safety.

Annex 2

Letter from Second Clerk, Transport Committee to Department for Transport

21 July 2004

TAXATION OF PASSENGER CARS

  On 20 July, the European Commission launched an online consultation on the reform of EU passenger car taxation systems (IP/04/970, enclosed). This has its origins in the Commission's Communication COM(2002) 431 of 6 September 2002 and is accompanied by a working document which is a precursor to the impact assessment.

  This move appears to send a clear signal that the Commission intends to propose a Council Directive. While this would not harmonise levels of taxation, the Commission appears to envisage a requirement that Member States implement particular forms of taxation and abolish others: Registration Tax would be gradually abolished in those Member States which have it; Member States would be required to have an Annual Circulation Tax (road tax) and fuel tax which take account of CO2 emissions.

  The European Scrutiny Committee considered the original Communication in its 41st Report of the 2001-02 Session (HC 152). The Chief Secretary to the Treasury told the Committee:

    "Whilst the Government welcomes the sharing of best environmental practice in the field of passenger car taxation and notes that the Commission has effectively identified the UK's policies as best practice in the Community, the Government does not believe that it is necessary to introduce Community wide legislation mandating member States to adopt any specific environmental approach. Decisions on how to tax passenger cars should continue to rest with individual Member States, subject to the importance of ensuring the smooth functioning of the single market." (paragraph 17.4)

  The Commission's consultation ends on 10 September. We would be grateful for an update of the Government's position on European legislation on car taxation. In particular, we would find a response useful if it covered the following points:

    —  Given that The Future of Transport: a network for 2030 (Cm 6234) suggests, albeit only as an option, that road pricing might replace other forms of vehicle taxation, does the Commission's intention now offend in its substance as well as a matter of principle?

    —  Would the Government accede to the type of legislation which the Commission envisages?

    —  How convincing does the Government find the Commission's argument that tax differentiation is a key way of encouraging manufacturers to improve the fuel efficiency of passenger cars?

    —  How would the Government react to any attempt to use a Qualified Majority Treaty base, on the grounds of environmental or single market benefits, rather than the unanimity Treaty base which might otherwise be assumed?

    —  What comments does the Government have on the adequacy of the Commission's public consultation arrangements in this case?

    —  What representations have Department for Transport and/or Treasury Ministers made to dissuade the Commission from making a proposal in this area?





 
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