Appendix 3: Letter from Mr Edward
Leigh MP, Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts, to Mr
Paul Boateng MP, Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Thank you for the further details of your proposals
given in your letter of 13 January 2004.
As I mentioned in my letter of 24 November 2003 signed
jointly with the Chairman of the Treasury Select Committee, the
Committee of Public Accounts would wish to encourage moves which
improve parliamentary accountability and the transparency of Estimates
and accounts. The changes you now set out will provide for timely
and clearer presentation of accounts. As such, I support your
proposals.
The changes to Appropriation Acts in particular will
serve to remove some of the barriers to earlier presentation of
resource accounts and as a consequence, accountability will benefit
from resource accounts that can be available earlier. However,
it is clear that departments will need to make further progress
in presenting their accounts sooner if the full benefits provided
for by these changes are to be realised. The achievement of the
earlier presentation of accounts must not be at the expense of
their reliability. Otherwise, parliamentary accountability would
suffer. In this regard, I welcome the Treasury's initiatives with
the support of the NAO and departments to achieve "faster
closing" of resource accounts.
The changes to Supply Estimates will go some way
to modernise the Estimates process, and in particular will serve
to make Estimates and resource accounts easier to understand and
particularly where there are machinery of government transfers.
We raised the question of whether the use of "negative"
Estimates might be extended to provide for transfers between Requests
for Resources in a department's Estimate. While this would be
subject to parliamentary authorisation, I appreciate the benefits
that this will provide for departments in terms of greater flexibility
in managing resources. However, I recognise that at times there
might be a need for transfers to be reversed, and welcome assurances
given by the Treasury that they will advise departments not to
seek reductions unless they are confident that the resources would
no longer be required. This guidance to departments might also
stress that there is an expectation that transfers will not be
sought as a matter of course and that such transfers are not a
substitute for robust financial management and forecasting in
proposing Estimates and managing expenditure. The guidance might
further make it clear that there is an expectation that a reversal
of a transfer or additional resources where there has been a reduction
will be needed only when a change in circumstances could not have
been foreseen, in all but exceptional cases.
I am copying this letter to the Chairman of the Procedure
Committee.
4 February 2004
Appendix 4: Letter from Mr Alan
Williams MP, Chairman of the Liaison Committee, to Mr Paul Boateng
MP, Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Thank you for your letter of 16 January 2004, together
with the memorandum explaining the proposed changes to the Supply
and Appropriation process. As I indicated in our earlier exchanges
of letters, the Liaison Committee is content to leave the detailed
response to the proposals to the Procedure and Treasury Committees,
and the PAC.
Since, however, your memorandum also deals with the
question of the amount of notice Select Committees have to consider
the Estimates, which is a matter of concern for the Liaison Committee,
I would like briefly to comment on that issue and to seek clarification
on a couple of points.
We are grateful to you for agreeing to seek an amendment
of Standing Order No. 55 so as to extend from 7 to 14 days the
time elapsing between the formal presentation of the Estimates
and the ensuing "roll-up". This is a helpful change
which we welcome; nothing which follows is intended in any way
to detract from that.
First, may I assume that the proposed amendment to
Standing Order No. 55 will apply to both paragraph (2)(b) and
paragraph (3)(b)in other words to both Winter and Spring
Supplementaries?
Second, whilst the longer interval between formal
presentation of the Estimates and the roll-up day is, of course,
beneficial, much of the gain could be lost in practical terms
if the Estimates were laid just before a recess or prorogation.
In such circumstances, I would hope that it would be possible
to give longer notice than the 14 days set out in the (revised)
Standing Order.
I would welcome your thoughts on these points which,
as I say, do not affect our welcome in principle for what is proposed.
23 February 2004
42 Bill of Rights 1688/89, Article IV; "Observations
upon the Memorandum on Financial Control, by the Comptroller-General
of the Exchequer", Report of the Select Committee on Public
Monies, HC 279 (1857, Session II), p 69. Back
43
"An Act for enabling His Majesty to raise the Sum of One
Million for the Uses and Purposes therein mentioned; and for further
appropriating the Supplies granted in this Session of Parliament
...", 1762 c. 34; Hansard Debates, 3rd Series, Volume
57, 22 March 1841, cols 455-460. Prior to 1854, it was customary
for an Appropriation Bill initially to take the form of a Consolidated
Fund Bill, with an instruction to the committee on the Bill to
receive a Clause of Appropriation; this practice was discontinued
in 1854, since when the Appropriation Bill has included provisions
for appropriation from the time of introduction, Erskine May,
7th Edition (1873), p 617. Back
44
"Memorandum on Financial Control put in by the Chancellor
of the Exchequer", Report of the Select Committee on Public
Monies, HC 279 (1857, Session II), pp 27-28. Back
45
Supply and other Financial Procedure of the House of Commons,
HM Treasury, 1977, para 76. Back
46
"Observations upon the Memorandum on Financial Control by
the Comptroller-General of the Exchequer", Report of the
Select Committee on Public Monies, HC 279 (1857, Session II),
pp 69-71. In 1784, Parliament was dissolved when the House of
Commons, in the absence of a Government majority, had declined
to pass an Appropriation Bill. The Prime Minister who advised
the dissolution, Pitt the Younger, obtained a majority in the
ensuing General Election and the relevant sums were then voted
and appropriated (A Todd, Parliamentary Government in England,
ed. S Walpole, London, 1892, 2 Vols, Vol II, p 215; Parliamentary
Debates, First Series, Volume 9, col 631). Back
47
CJ (1782-84) 858; Erskine May, 22nd Edition, pp 759-760.
Back
48
Sir William Anson, The Law and Custom of the Constitution,
Volume II, Part II. The reference to charges upon the revenue
permanently authorised by statute is to Consolidated Fund Standing
Services, described in note 2 above. Back
49
Erskine May, 22nd Edition,
p 760. Back
50
Erskine May, 7th Edition,
p 617. Back
51
Hansard Debates, Fourth Series,
Volume 114, 4 November 1902, cols 79-114; CJ (1902) 464, 465,
466, 468, 493. Back
52
CJ (1914-16) 293; Erskine May, 22nd Edition, pp 752, 759.
Back
53
CJ (1955-56) 74; Erskine May, 22nd Edition, p 759. The
most recent such case was the Consolidated Fund (Appropriation)
Bill of Session 2001-02, which appropriated the Summer Supplementary
Estimates authorised after the June 2001 General Election. Prior
to 1955, Spring or early Summer elections had not led directly
to two Appropriation Bills in the ensuing Session. In 1859, the
post-Election Session was a short Session, concluded late in the
year of the General Election, rather than a long Session (CJ (1859
Session II) 354, 378). In 1929, there were no Summer Supplementary
Estimates and therefore the whole of Supply for the year was voted
before the General Election, CJ (1928-29) 254. Back
54
The Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) Bill of Session 2002-03,
which received the Royal Assent as the Appropriation (No. 2) Act
of 2002. See note 7 above. Back