Select Committee on Public Administration Written Evidence


Memorandum by Mr P H Courtenay (HON 68)

  1.  An honours system is certainly needed. The numbers should be immaterial, being based on merit; 10 or 100 annual awards would be far too restrictive, while a very large number would degrade the value, so the current figure of 3,000 is probably about right.

  2.  It would be a great loss to national tradition and continuity if hereditary titles were to be abolished (even if holders no longer sit in the House of Lords). Oscar Wilde wrote: "You should study the Peerage, Gerald; it is the best thing in fiction the English have ever done" (A Woman of No Importance). Occasional additions to the hereditary ranks for royal persons and in exceptional cases should be made and would make no difference to the political process. Life peerages should continue to be given to those sitting in the House of Lords, unless it became an elected chamber with limited tenure, when a different situation would arise. The very limited number of hereditary peerages awarded since 1958 (York/Wessex/Stockton/Whitelaw/Tonypandy) shows what can be done.

  3.  The French wear a small ribbon or rosette in their buttonholes to show membership of eg The Legion of Honour, but I can't see such an idea being followed here. The US system, by contrast, proliferates and is almost valueless. It is worth recognising that UK insignia are far superior to those of other nations (in matters of design, taste, quality and relevance) and should not be discarded in favour of less creditable examples.

  4.  All three of the criteria are needed. It is virtually inevitable that any system would reward those at or near the peak of their callings. If, for example a CGS or PUS had not received a high honour before reaching the top of the tree (which might be possible under a drastic reform), it would be difficult to answer the inevitable question "How come he has reached the top of the ladder, but has never been good enough to be recognised on the way up, while others not so selected have been honoured?"

  5.  Yes; very easily.

  6.  No; the ordinary man in the street couldn't care less. Those who might care understand well enough (except for TV quiz-masters who think OBE stands for Order of the British Empire).

  7.  Probably Yes at the lower levels, but more scientific at the higher end.

  8.  Such groups should certainly be invited to make nominations, but it should be made clear that there is no automatic expectation of an award just because it has been made in the past.

  9.  Probably not: an honour should be for past service rather than for anticipated quality.

  10.  Far too restrictive. No one these days can afford to live without salaried employment; voluntary activity, while meritorious, cannot be the only criterion.

  11.  Through bodies such as those proposed in Question 8, plus a wider range of other groups.

  12.  The Order of the British Empire was created in 1917 and its centenary is within view. It would be vandalism to change the name just because some people in 2004 are dubious about its connotations. The British Empire was an astounding national achievement and it is right to mark its existence. The people who lived in this country during its heyday were immensely proud of it (particularly among the working class), and it is not unreasonable to suppose that future generations will take a similar view; we should not dismantle something because of a passing fad. After all, no one wears a garter nowadays or takes a bath for spiritual cleansing, and such traditional names are part of our national life. As for titles such as Sir, Dame, Lord, Lady, Baron etc, these are part of our long national tradition. It is sometimes suggested (and even hinted in this paper) that because no other country has a system like ours, we should abandon it; this is the precise opposite of the correct deduction which is that, because we are unique, we should remain so.

  13.  This is not essential, though (as stated elsewhere) traditions should not be cast aside. If Rt Hon was discarded, those concerned could put PC after their names; this is currently done only by peers (because their peerages already give them the Rt Hon prefix and their PC membership would not otherwise be apparent).

  14.  A single category would mean "inflation", so that really senior roles would be downgraded.

  15.  Quite unnecessary. Any quota of women or ethnic minorities on the Committee would inevitably lead to such persons favouring their own categories. The current system allows Committee members to bend over backwards to be fair.

  16.  I don't think it affects matters either way. I was in the public service for 35 years and then in quasi-public bodies for 10 years. I never met anyone who worried about receiving or not receiving an honour; if it came, everyone was very pleased for them, but angst did not play a part.

  17.  It is inevitable that these groups have better chances of receiving honours because of their proximity to the Government machine, which makes it much easier for them to come to notice. It should not be overlooked that, in the case of the military and diplomats, recipients have regular and frequent opportunities to wear their insignia, whereas most people probably never do so after their investitures. Lower pay expectations than the private sector are usually cited as justification for a higher allocation of honours; this is less true nowadays, but still has some validity.

  18.  Probably not, nor is there any need. It is quite possible (indeed normal) for a hereditary peer in the armed forces to receive the low award of MBE while a junior officer. No one questions these gradations, except perhaps the politically motivated (ie the tiny minority).

  19.  Probably inevitable. But very few people are involved and can be assumed to be of high integrity who would have good chances of an honour later, even without close involvement in the system.

  20.  Some independent outsiders could be involved, but this is window-dressing; after all they would have to appointed by the Government. A ban on honours for Committee members could only work if members were known to be at the end of their careers and unlikely to gain an honour on their own merits; but this would prevent the best people from being invited. A time-bar would be more realistic (no eligibility till, say, three years after leaving the Committee).

  21.  Higher pay is much more contentious than honours and should be avoided.

  22.  Certainly not. If the Order of the Bath and the Order of St Michael & St George were abolished, there would be far fewer opportunities for others to be admitted to the Order of the British Empire. And once again, tradition is valuable and cannot be replaced; there were, after all, Knights of the Bath at the coronation of Henry IV in 1399. There has already been enough constitutional vandalism in recent years. Enough is enough!

  23.  Marginally. Most people are ignorant of the system and couldn't care less.

  24.  Probably.

  25.  Improbable.

  26.  Probably not possible; also unnecessary.

  27.  I am not generally in favour of nominations by the public. If someone is deserving, this should be known by Government and local bodies. After all it is the Sovereign who makes awards (mostly on the advice of the Government)-not Joe Public.

  28.  Certainly not. An "all-nominations" system would result in too many so-called celebrities being named, as entertainment and sports personalities are the names which most people know and admire through television.

  29.  There could be no problem with increased understanding of the system or publication of citations. But the pros and cons of selection, or publication of rejections or refusals, must be kept confidential.

  30.  Very much so.

  31.  Not known; probably not.

  32.  None; the system would become too politicised.

  33.  Absolutely not. The Sovereign is the Fount(ain) of Honour-acting on the advice of the Government-and must remain so if an honour is to have any validity.

  34.  Probably.

SOME GENERAL VIEWS

  A.  There appear to be far too many showbiz and sports personalities on each list. Maybe this appears to be so because only well-known names hit the headlines; but those who are very highly paid and doing work they greatly enjoy should not be preferred over others of greater national value.

  B.  There is one anomaly in the current system. If a man is given a knighthood, he normally becomes a Knight Bachelor, which ranks below KBE. But there is no equivalent to Knight Bachelor for a woman, who-in identical circumstances-must become DBE and thus receive a higher honour than her male counterpart. I have no clever suggestions on how to resolve this (Dame Spinster wouldn't do!)

  C.  Recent publicity given to those who have refused honours on principle gives the opposite effect to that which is probably intended by the refusenik. When someone refuses an honour (whether Kt or MBE), he effectively makes the following statement: "Any pat on the back from the Head of State, on the recommendation of the Head of Government, is no sort of honour to me: I'm much too grand and important to be expected to bend the knee to anyone"; it would be hard to find a better example of arrogance. I saw a recent newspaper headline which summed up the value of national honours in a way I hadn't seen before and which should be borne in mind by anyone meddling in this subject: IT EXALTS THE HUMBLE AND HUMBLES THE EXALTED.

Paul Courtenay

March 2004





 
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