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S.C.B.517

Tuesday 25th January 2005

STANDING COMMITTEE PROCEEDINGS

STANDING COMMITTEE B

IDENTITY CARDS BILL

[FIFTH AND SIXTH SITTINGS]


       Clause 8

Negatived on division

       Amendment (No. 44) proposed, in page      7,      line      4,      after the word 'issued' to insert the words 'free of charge'.—(Mr Humfrey Malins.)

       Question proposed, That the Amendment be made.


Mr Desmond Browne

Agreed to on division

       That the Order of the Committee of 18th January be amended by the substitution of the following paragraph for paragraph (3)—

'(3) the proceedings shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the time specified in the second column of the following Table.

TABLE

ProceedingsTime for conclusion of proceedings
Clauses 1 to 3, Schedule 1, Clauses 4 to 1111.25 a.m. on Tuesday 25th January
Clauses 12 to 155.30 p.m. on Tuesday 25th January
Clauses 16 to 199.15 a.m. on Thursday 27th January
Clauses 20 to 2511.25 a.m. on Thursday 27th January
Remaining proceedings5.30 p.m. on Thursday 27th January'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      42

 Clause  8,  page  7,  line  5,  leave out 'and'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Negatived on division      43

 Clause  8,  page  7,  line  7,  at end insert 'and
(c)  is issued for the following purposes only—
(i)  to assist in preventing or detecting terrorist acts in the United Kingdom or elsewhere or otherwise in the interests of national security;
(ii)  to assist the Secretary of State in preventing or detecting serious crime;
(iii)  the purposes of controlling illegal immigration and enforcing immigration controls;
(iv)  the purpose of securing proper provision of the following public services, namely—
        (a) healthcare,

        (b) housing,

        (c) education,

        (d) social security benefits.

(1A) In subsection (1)(c)(ii), "serious crime" has the same meaning as in section 1(1A).'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Withdrawn      88

 Clause  8,  page  7,  line  9,  after 'recording', insert 'prescribed'.
 Clause and Clauses 9 to 11 agreed to on division.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      89

 Clause  8,  page  7,  line  11,  after 'carrying', insert 'prescribed'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      90

 Clause  8,  page  7,  line  18,  leave out from 'period' to end of line 19.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      91

 Clause  8,  page  7,  line  25,  leave out subsection (5).

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      142

 Clause  8,  page  7,  line  29,  leave out subsection (6) and insert—
'(6) An ID card relating to an individual is not to be issued except where—
(a)  an application has been made by him to be entered in the Register; or
(b)  an application has been made by him which in the prescribed manner confirms (with or without changes) the contents of an entry already made in the Register for that individual.'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      92

 Clause  8,  page  7,  line  35,  leave out subsection (7).

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      152

 Clause  9,  page  8,  line  28,  after 'allow', insert 'all of'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      94

 Clause  9,  page  8,  line  36,  leave out '£1000' and add '£50'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not selected      93

 Page  8,  line  10,  leave out Clause 9.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      95

 Clause  10,  page  9,  line  4,  leave out subsection (2).

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      167

 Clause  11,  page  9,  line  21,  after 'it', insert 'reasonably'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      96

 Clause  11,  page  9,  line  27,  leave out from 'Register' to end of line 29.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      168

 Clause  11,  page  9,  line  32,  after 'it', insert 'reasonably'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      169

 Clause  11,  page  9,  line  45,  at end insert 'where that requirement is, in all the circumstances, reasonable'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Withdrawn      132

 Clause  12,  page  10,  line  32,  at end insert—
'(1A) For the purposes of ensuring that an individual is able to comply with his duty under subsection (1), the Secretary of State must at least once every two years send in a prescribed manner to each individual to whom an ID card has been issued at his prescribed address a copy of the information recorded as at a prescribed date about that individual in the Register.'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      97

 Clause  12,  page  11,  line  2,  leave out paragraph (b).

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      98

 Clause  12,  page  11,  line  2,  leave out ', and other biometric information about himself,'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Withdrawn      117

 Clause  12,  page  11,  line  10,  after 'who', insert 'intentionally'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      100

 Clause  12,  page  11,  line  11,  leave out '£1000' and add '£50'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      99

 Clause  12,  page  11,  line  11,  at end add—
'(7) The Secretary of State shall make provision for local facilities to satisfy the attendance requirements of subsection (5)(a).
(8) The Secretary of State shall make provision for home visits to people unfit to travel to satisfy the requirements of subsection (5)(a).'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Withdrawn      101

 Clause  12,  page  11,  line  11,  at end add—
'(7) The Secretary of State shall make no charge for changes to the Register required by this section.'.
 Clause agreed to.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Withdrawn      45

 Clause  13,  page  11,  line  14,  leave out from 'State' to 'if'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Withdrawn      170

 Clause  13,  page  11,  line  31,  at end insert—
'(2A) The Secretary of State may, in an urgent case, cancel the card forthwith or otherwise give notice to the individual of an intention to do so.
(2B) The Secretary of State shall send notification of his cancellation or his intention to cancel in writing to the individual who shall have the right to make representations accordingly.
(2C) The Secretary of State shall review his cancellation or his intention in the light of such representations.
(2D) The individual may appeal a cancellation of his ID card to the Commissioner.'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      46

 Clause  13,  page  12,  line  6,  after 'who', insert 'unreasonably'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      102

 Clause  13,  page  12,  line  7,  leave out paragraph (a).
 Clause agreed to.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Withdrawn      103

 Clause  14,  page  12,  line  35,  after 'a,' insert 'prescribed'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      171

 Clause  14,  page  12,  line  35,  after 'with', insert 'all of the'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Withdrawn      47

 Clause  14,  page  12,  line  38,  after 'the', insert 'written'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      104

 Clause  14,  page  12,  line  38,  after 'the,' insert 'informed'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      48

 Clause  14,  page  12,  line  39,  after 'otherwise', insert 'in writing'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      105

 Clause  14,  page  12,  line  39,  after 'otherwise' insert 'explicitly'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      49

 Clause  14,  page  12,  line  40,  at end insert 'and
(c)  authority or consent may extend to part only of information.'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      172

 Clause  14,  page  12,  line  41,  leave out subsection (2).

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      106

 Clause  14,  page  13,  line  20,  leave out paragraph (a).

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      107

 Clause  14,  page  13,  line  21,  leave out paragraph (b).

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      50

 Clause  14,  page  13,  line  26,  leave out subsection (4).

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not moved      108

 Clause  14,  page  13,  line  31,  leave out 'may' and insert 'shall'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      109

 Clause  14,  page  13,  line  36,  leave out 'may' insert 'shall'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Withdrawn      51

 Clause  14,  page  14,  line  6,  at end add—
'(9) If an individual applies to the Secretary of State for the provision to himself of all or any information recorded in his entry in the Register, it shall be the duty of the Secretary of State to supply to the individual all such information requested.'.
 Clause agreed to.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Withdrawn      144

 Clause  15,  page  14,  line  13,  leave out paragraphs (b) and (c).

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Withdrawn      52

 Clause  15,  page  14,  line  23,  leave out subsection (3) and insert—
'(3) Failure to produce without reasonable excuse an identity card to a police constable reasonably requiring production shall be a summary offence punishable with 6 months imprisonment or a fine or both.'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      133

 Clause  15,  page  14,  line  28,  at end add—
'(4) Nothing in this section authorises the making of regulations the effect of which would be to require a British citizen to carry or produce an ID card before such time as when all British citizens are required by virtue of section 6 to be entered in the Register.'.
 Clause agreed to.

Mr David Curry

Withdrawn      188

 Clause  16,  page  14,  line  38,  at end insert—
'(1A) The power to make regulations under section 15 may not be exercised so as to create different requirements for identity checks in different parts of the United Kingdom, except insofar as this is necessary due to differences in the public services provided.'.
 Clause agreed to.
 Clause 17 agreed to.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      134

 Clause  18,  page  16,  line  36,  at beginning insert 'Subject to subsection (2A)'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      135

 Clause  18,  page  16,  line  45,  at end insert—
'(2A) Subsection (2) does not authorise the imposition of such condition or requirement in relation to or on a British citizen before such time as when all British citizens are required by virtue of section 6 to be entered in the Register.'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      187

 Clause  18,  page  16,  line  45,  at end insert—
'(2A) The Secretary of State may by regulations provide further cases in which such a condition or requirement may be imposed in relation to or on an individual.'.
 Clause agreed to.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not selected      145

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  10,  leave out 'Secretary of State' and insert 'Minister for Homeland Security'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Withdrawn      173

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  15,  leave out subsections (2) and (3) and insert—
'(2) The provision of information is authorised in this section where it is—
(a)  the provision of information to—
(i)  the Director-General of the Security Service,
(ii)  the Chief of the Secret Intelligence Service,
(iii)  the Director of the Government Communications Headquarters,
(iv)  the Director-General of the Serious Organised Crime Agency, or
(v)  a chief officer of police; and
(b)  it is—
(i)  in the interests of national security, or
(ii)  for the purposes connected with the prevention or detection of crime.'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      174

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  17,  leave out 'connected with' and insert 'necessary for'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      136

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  27,  at end insert 'for any of the purposes specified in subsection (2A)'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      137

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  27,  at end insert—
'(2A) The purposes specified in this subsection are—
(a)  in the interests of national security;
(b)  for purposes connected with the prevention or detection of crime; or
(c)  for other purposes specified by order made by the Secretary of State.'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      53

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  32,  leave out 'prevention or detection of crime' and insert 'detection of serious crime which shall mean any crime giving rise to an offence triable only on indictment'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not called      175

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  32,  after 'of', insert 'serious'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      54

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  32,  leave out from 'crime' to end of line 33.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not selected      146

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  33,  leave out 'Secretary of State' and insert 'Minister for Homeland Security'.

Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Withdrawn      176

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  37,  leave out paragraphs (a) to (f) and insert 'where it is necessary in the interests of national security or the prevention or detection of serious crime'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      55

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  39,  leave out 'prevention or'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      56

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  40,  leave out paragraph (c).

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      57

 Clause  19,  page  17,  line  43,  leave out paragraph (d).

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      58

 Clause  19,  page  18,  line  1,  leave out paragraph (e).

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not called      59

 Clause  19,  page  18,  line  3,  leave out from 'numbers' to end of line 4.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not selected      147

 Clause  19,  page  18,  line  4,  leave out 'Secretary of State' and insert 'Minister for Homeland Security'.

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Mr Richard Allan
Mr Alistair Carmichael
Mr Mark Oaten

Not moved      60

 Clause  19,  page  18,  line  5,  leave out subsection (5).

Patrick Mercer
Mr Humfrey Malins
Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

Not moved      61

 Clause  19,  page  18,  line  11,  leave out subsection (6).

Mr Desmond Browne

Agreed to      153

 Clause  19,  page  18,  line  26,  after 'Police;' insert—
'( ) the chief officer of the States of Jersey Police Force;
( ) the chief officer of the salaried police force of the Island of Guernsey;'.
 Clause, as amended, agreed to.
 [Adjourned till Thursday at 9.10 a.m.

 
 
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