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Mr. Salmond: Will the Minister give way?

Mr. Bradshaw: I am terribly sorry. I have four minutes left, and if I do not rattle on I will not be able to respond to all the comments made by hon. Members.

My hon. Friend the Member for Waveney (Mr. Blizzard) made a good point about long-lining, which I shall certainly take on board, as there is enormous potential for a more sustainable fishery. I shall also look into his comments about CEFAS, which does a terrific job. Talks to try to resolve the problems that he raised are imminent, and I shall shortly meet the new director of CEFAS, when I shall certainly reiterate the points that he made. The hon. Member for Argyll and Bute (Mr. Reid) made some good points about the cost of leaving the CFP, and I agree with him about west of Scotland prawns. The issue has been raised with me a number of times by my hon. Friend the Member for Western Isles (Mr. MacDonald), and we certainly intend to pursue it as a priority in the Council negotiations. I also accept the point made by the hon. Member for Argyll and Bute about annexe V and the difficulties that it has caused his fishermen.

I consulted the Shetland fisheries representative, Hansen Black, at the Council meeting in Brussels last month. I accept what the hon. Member for Orkney and
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Shetland (Mr. Carmichael) said about haddock permit problems, and am pleased that he welcomes the progress on regional advisory councils. As I have said, we will make further progress on that. I made clear to the new Commissioner the importance of listening to the RACs, as it would be politically fatal not to do so just as they are becoming established. I believe that that is a good argument to use in the negotiations.

I accept the point about the new funding system made by my hon. Friend the Member for Scarborough and Whitby (Lawrie Quinn). I am always keen to have debates on fisheries, but the decision is not just up to me; other people, such as business managers, are involved. My hon. Friend is right about industrial fisheries, and he will be pleased that, given their condition, there are likely to be recommendations for severe cuts. It has always been the UK position to support such a proposal.

Finally, my hon. Friend the Member for Hastings and Rye (Mr. Foster) said that I had brought him some pre-Christmas cheer. It is always good to be able to do so, but I do not think that I have ever been described as a fishermen's friend before. However, I will accept compliments wherever they come from. I am rather disappointed that he did not invite me to open his new quay, but perhaps there is still time. As for what he may want in his Christmas stocking next year, I understand that my officials are talking to his fishermen tomorrow about that very issue.

Mr. Tom Watson (West Bromwich, East) (Lab): I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion.

Motion, by leave, withdrawn.




Motion made, and Question put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 25, (Periodic adjournments),

Question agreed to.



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Health Services (Maidstone)

Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House do now adjourn.—[Mr. Watson.]

6.20 pm

Miss Ann Widdecombe (Maidstone and The Weald) (Con): I am grateful for securing the Adjournment debate tonight. It concerns a matter of vital importance to my constituents. I am delighted to see in the Chamber my hon. Friend the Member for Faversham and Mid-Kent (Hugh Robertson), whose constituents will also be profoundly adversely affected by the proposed changes to hospital services in Maidstone.

Let me set the scene. Maidstone is a large general hospital that was built under the Conservative Administration in 1983. It was modern and covered a wide range of services. Since that time, the oncology services have been vastly expanded and the hospital is now recognised as a centre of excellence for oncology in the south-east. Until a few years ago, the picture was a fairly happy one, but since 2000 there has been a consistent stream of proposals to—I can put it in no other terms—plunder Maidstone.

Over the past two years, we have been raided. We have already lost, in a fairly stealthy way, almost without anybody noticing, our chronic pain unit, which has charged down the road to Pembury. That leaves citizens of Maidstone, who were used to having pain services available, with pain services available only by means of a four-hour round trip on the No. 6 bus. It is scarcely an ideal situation for people without private transport.

Earlier this year, a proposal that had been made in 2000 and rejected was raised again. It would mean our losing the most important chunk of our accident and emergency services to Tunbridge Wells. In addition, there is a proposal that we would lose a major part of our obstetrics services, again to Tunbridge Wells.

The Government decided to merge trusts. It is impossible to imagine that when Maidstone was its own trust, it would have volunteered to lose services and suggested that they wander off 17 miles away—that is the shortest possible distance. But because the trusts of Tunbridge Wells and Maidstone have been merged into one large trust, there is no unique voice, other than mine and that of my hon. Friend, speaking up specifically for Maidstone.

If there were unavoidable strategic reasons for the changes, I might admit that there was some force to the argument for bringing them about, but close examination suggests that that is not the case. One of the reasons why that has been advanced is that the changes all stem from the European working time directive, which means that junior doctors cannot work the hours that they used to. We therefore have to recruit more junior doctors, and when that proves impossible, we have to merge services, so that where there were two services before, we shall have only one.

We have also been told that the consultants involved approve the changes. I shall quote from a letter from Mr. Christopher Walker, a consultant orthopaedic surgeon who worked at Maidstone hospital from its opening in 1983 until August 2002, and still does occasional clinical work. He says this of the proposal to
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take trauma services to Tunbridge Wells:

He goes on to say:

He says that they would be more likely to go to the Medway accident and emergency department, which is already under massive pressure.

Mr. Walker identifies as a further effect of the proposed move

He says:

As a consultant surgeon, he takes the following view:

Mr. Walker is not alone in taking that view. Another consultant—this time a consultant physician currently practising at Maidstone hospital, where he is also a clinical tutor—contends that the proposals will have a serious effect not only on trauma services, but on training. He makes this point:

He says that

He goes on to say:

He adds:

I fully understand that point, even from a layman's point of view; the hospital would not be taken seriously as an acute general hospital, and it would find it very
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difficult to recruit and retain consultants in acute specialities, particularly general medicine and critical care.

Perceptively, that consultant goes on to say:

for which I am grateful—

he puts this politely—

The future of Maidstone general hospital is a major question. Will it remain as a serious general hospital or will all its major general facilities be moved gradually and piecemeal to Tunbridge Wells, while Maidstone is promoted as Kent's answer to the Royal Marsden hospital? Is that the future that is envisaged? If it is, why do the Government, the trust and the SHA not come clean and let us know? It would cause my constituents massive disquiet.

For maternity services, consultants have stated that the European working time directive is not causing problems in obstetrics, but that difficulties will be created in recruiting serious consultants and doctors to a unit as small as the one proposed for Maidstone. Confronted with that massive reduction, the general expectation is that mothers will choose other hospitals. At the moment, 25 per cent. of mothers transfer from the birthing centre to the labour ward with difficulties. If the labour ward is 17 miles away, consultants claim that brain damage could be caused to babies.

I have also mentioned the loss, which we have already sustained—almost without anybody noticing—of the chronic pain unit. It was moved in September 2004 from Maidstone to Pembury. The first that the patients knew about it was a letter a couple of months earlier. Openness appears to have given way to at best opacity, and at worst secrecy. What is the future, and what is the vision for Maidstone as a general hospital?

Earlier, I said that it had been claimed that the consultants accepted the necessity for that disquieting decision. In fact, however, 50 senior clinicians have signed a letter to Rose Gibb, the chief executive of the trust. This is not a politician speaking; these are clinicians who say:

Among the consultants who signed that statement are those in general surgery, anaesthetics and critical care, cardiology, medicine, neurology, ophthalmics, oncology, paediatrics and, of course, obstetrics and gynaecology. That is the view of those on the ground who actually have to deliver the service.

When I fully recognised the problems and their scale, I wrote to the Secretary of State for Health, who replied promptly but unhelpfully. Essentially, he told me what
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I already knew—that there was a consultation exercise. Yes, I had got that far. He then told me that there were proposals to reconfigure services—I had certainly got that far—and that it was a matter for the trust. This goes beyond just being a matter for the trust. There is, I believe, a serious crisis of confidence in Maidstone about the future of a large and well-respected general hospital.

On behalf of my constituents who live at the other end of the constituency, I am of course delighted that at last, after too many years, we are getting a brand-new hospital. I would not want any of the comments that I have made today to be taken to mean otherwise. However, the original plan was that essential services such as trauma and obstetrics should be available in both centres, not that there would be a share-out of some sort, as of eggs in a basket.

My first question for the Minister—who has, I am sure, been in contact with the trust—is this: what is the future for Maidstone? Will it remain a general hospital? If so, will it be taken seriously as a general hospital, given the changes that are mooted? Or will it simply become an elective surgery and cancer specialty? Secondly, as so many consultants are so worried, how can the administrators of the trust decide that this is the right way forward?

Thirdly, may we have an absolute undertaking that, if services such as the chronic pain unit are to be moved in future, there will be a proper and full consultation? Interestingly, when one of my constituents rang the local press, the people there did not know anything about that particular move—but they certainly know about the trauma services, and they are making a fuss.

Although in such circumstances there is always a fine line to be walked, between alerting one's constituents and alarming them, I myself have become alarmed by the proposals. I believe that they should be abandoned, and that the original decision taken in 2000 to retain services in both hospitals should be maintained.

6.36 pm

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