Select Committee on Culture, Media and Sport Minutes of Evidence


Memorandum submitted by Mr Sid Anning

  Thank you for the opportunity for allowing me to submit my views to add to the discussions that are underway regarding Historic Ships.

1.  INTRODUCTION
  (a)  I write as a former Royal Naval Seaman Petty Officer, Historic Ship campaigner and enthusiast.

  (b)  In 1989 one formed the HMS Cavalier Association, and became it's Chairman until 1999. During which time I helped to save the last of the WW2 Destroyers, HMS Cavalier.

  (c)  I am currently assisting the Maritime Steam Restoration Trust (MSRT) in helping to save the last steam driven Landing Ship Tank (LS1) which currently faces the threat of being scrapped.

2.  SAVING HISTORIC SHIPS
  (a)  The problems which I faced over five years ago with HMS Cavalier, are still very much prevalent today, despite the fact of the CMS Committee making some excellent recommendations with the "Presentation of Historic Ships: The case for HMS Cavalier". There is still no mechanism, guidance, or help of any sort, to those wishing to save an Historic Ship most of which are left mainly to their own devices. This is indeed a totally undesirable situation.

  (b)  It's all very well the establishment saying "that individuals embark on ship restorations without adequate resources, cost effective projections and the like, and that most projects are seen to fail because of lack of maritime experience in the management".

  (c)  Many of the Historic Ships that are a national asset today, owe their very existence to the staunch efforts of enthusiasts, campaigners, and volunteers, and until there is a proper organised procedures and mechanisms on, "how to go about saving an Historic Ship", one should not knock the efforts of those who are at least willing to give it a try until such times as there is a proper system installed.

  (d)  To me, Historic Ships are just as important to our Heritage as Buildings, and yet somehow, fail to get the same recognition, the same protection, or indeed the same level of funding as buildings which often surround Historic Ships, barring the few "icons" which DCMS are of the opinion are the only ships worth saving. Why is our Maritime Heritage held in such low esteem?

  If that were not enough, we have the ludicrous situation whereby the only way an Historic Ship can gain protection from the state is by "sinking it". This is sheer utter madness.

3.  DEPARTMENT OF TRADE AND INDUSTRY (DTI)
  (a)  One of the recommendations by the Committee was that the OTI should be more vigilant over the issuing of export licences after the case of HMS Cavalier. Despite the fact that the MSRT had expressed an interest in HMS Stalker, Pounds of Portsmouth (Ship Breakers) were still issued with an export licence, If the same applied to a work of art or sculpture there would be uproar.

  (b)  The House of Commons Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee has reported that Royal Navy Ships should not be sent abroad for scrapping because of environmental issues. In my view, this could be taken a step further, whereby ships over a given age—say 50 years or over, should not be exported until such time as its heritage value to our nation has been properly evaluated and accessed.

4.  NATIONAL HISTORIC SHIPS COMMITTEE (NHSC)
  (a)  It would be wrong for me not to recognise the time, and effort, that the Committee puts in on our behalf. But unfortunately, they are unselected, and unaccountable body of people, who have set themselves up to be judge and jury over the futures of Historic Ships, without a mandate or the proper authority to do so.

  (b)  The Committee purport to say that they have the support of the Historic Ship Owners—but have they been asked? Only recently because of the ill health of Sir Julian Oswald, the NMM at Greenwich have "elected" a new Chairman. If anyone has doubts about the existence of the proposed NHS Unit being based at NMM, then their worries and concerns have been substantiated by the news of NMM making these kind of arbitrary and unilateral decisions over the selection of the Committee's Chairman.

  (c)  I believe there is a case for Members of the Main and Technical Committees of the NHSC being elected by Regional Committees of Ship/Boat Owners, and to serve for five years before seeking re-election.

  For the Committee, or indeed its Chairman to be appointed simply as another Government sponsored Quango will be treated with suspicion by most within the industry, and would not boost confidence and trust.

  (d)  One of the deepest concerns about the NHSC, is that many of the Committee represent the major Maritime Museums throughout Britain, whilst the other 90% of Ship/Boat owners in Private and Trusts hands have no voice or representative upon the NHSC at all.

  It's difficult for people like me to believe that the NHSC can be objective and unbiased in their deliberations, and at the same time, represent their own interests.

  (e)  Twice now, once with HMS Cavalier, and secondly with HMS Stalker, the NHSC has sat upon the fence being evasive, and indecisive. Much of this comes down to the NRHV which I believe the Committee and DCMS have overstated their importance and significance to Historic Ships. It's debatable as to there being an advantage by being upon the Registers other than for HLF funding.

  Indeed, Rear Admiral Harvey—President of HMS Cavalier Association—was scornful of the lists when he stated: "the proof of the pudding will be whether or not the NRHV actually saves another Historic Ship".

  (e)  Because the NHSC has altered the original criteria to allow ships such as Trincomalee, Mary Rose, Peggy, and Zetland that do not qualify for entry onto the NRHV, (for example, not being built in Great Britain or its hull is not fully intact) then, the NHSC would have great difficulty in denying other ships that equal right—HMS Stalker being one because she was built in Canada.

  (f)  Another reason for HMS Stalker being denied entry onto the registers by NHSC's Technical Committee was because of project sustainability. The MSRT have only recently applied for a Project Planning Grant (PPG) from HLF, and until the feasibility study has been completed by Frazer Nash of Bristol, it is curious to see how the Technical Committee can make a confident decision on Stalker's project sustainability without that information being made available.

5.  HISTORIC SHIP FUNDING
  (a)  Historic ship campaigners are constantly being reminded by DCMS, and English Heritage, that Historic Ships—and in particular the larger ships—are enormously expensive to repair and conserve. But also, so are the Dome, The Royal Opera House, Stately Homes, The Arts, and others which most in Whitehall turn a blind eye to and never mention.

  Recently, the Secretary of the NHSC remarked:

    "Four years of banging on Government doors has made me realise that changing the Whitehall mindset that readily supports fine art or opera at the expense of solid steam driven ships . . ."

  (b)  We are also told by DCMS "that there is a tendency for discussions of ship preservations to focus on the great national icons—Victory, Gt Britain, Cutty Sark and the rest". One would have to agree to their saviour—but not at ANY cost, and certainly not when it's to the detriment of the rest of the Historic Ships.

  (c)  Let me if I may, put matters into perspective a little. The "Icons" are already subsidised by grant-in-aid from the major museums, and over the past 10 years HLF have given just £38 million in grants to Historic Ships, out of a possible £15.8 billion that has been given to good causes since the Lottery began.

  Eighty-seven per cent of the said £38 million have gone to just NINE historic ships, in single or multiple grants, whilst the rest of Historic Ships outside of the Museums get virtually nothing at all. It would appear to me, and to the contrary, it's not Historic Ships that are expensive.

  (d)  The following are an example of some of the net recipients who divide the £1.2 billion up that is given in grant-in-aid annually: The Arts Council—£365.4 million; British Library—£90.8 million; BTA—398.4 million; and English Heritage—£126.4 million to name just a few. Whilst Historic Ships get nothing. I repeat, it's not Historic Ships that are expensive.

  (e)  Although we are grateful to HLF for the funding that has already been provided, we must not be complacent, and I abhor the huge grants being handed out to just a few ships such as Cutty Sark, SS Great Britain, much of it on mad cap schemes, which are openly encouraged by HLF. In some cases, there is a distinct advantage to building replicas which could in fact help to earn its keep with film and tourism.

  (f)  We must try to remember that, one ship's wholly imaginative and over expensive interpretations to try and somehow guarantee its future, often means it's another ship's undoing and demise to the scrap heap. It's essential that what little money is available is not wasted, and believe HLF have a duty to see that does not happen.

  Sometimes a fraction of the money being spent on Mary Rose for example, which never fails to get a grant (seven to date if you include the grant from the arts), could mean a great deal to the Medway Queen and HMS Stalker who are fighting for their very existence, whereby a little bit of money could make quite a difference.

  (g)  I acknowledge that without Heritage Lottery Funding, our Historic Ships would hardly be worth keeping. But, in my view, HLF are not particularly "qualified" (even though they do have paid advisers whose views are often ignored for political expedience), to say whenever a grant is applied for, which Ships stays afloat (as that is what grants comes down to at the end of the day) and which ships should sink, or indeed, care enough about our Maritime History to be objective in their deliberations and decision making process.

  (h)  Unfortunately, and at times HLF can be ignorant and indifferent to the needs of Historic ships. One of its senior case officers twice turned down HMS Cavalier for heritage lottery funding, and referred to the Dunkirk little ships simply as a collection of "little boats".

  (i)  The English Tourist Board withdrew support (section 4 grants) for Historic Ships in 1989, and in 1992 English Heritage withdrew grant aiding Historic Ships following a review of its strategy and priorities—which literally cut Historic Ships adrift with no proper governing body or aiding in place.

  Why is it that those who the public think would be the best people to look after our Maritime Heritage, English Heritage for instance, have in fact deserted it?

  (j)  I do not profess to be an expert in Historic Ships matters, but simply as a layman who first of all was in the right position at the wrong time with HMS Cavalier, and now with HMS Stalker with whom I have a very strong interest in because only recently we held services to the memory of those who lost their lives during the D-Day Landings 60 years ago, where Landing Crafts of all descriptions went down with the loss of many lives. I feel it's essential, as indeed I did with HMS Cavalier, that we preserve the last of its kind.

  I do hope that my work, and my views in this memorandum, are of some use to the Committee, and to those who strive to see that fairness, and equality prevail for Historic Ships.

  I write as an individual, and on behalf of the Maritime Steam Restoration Trust—HMS Stalker,

January 2005





 
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