Select Committee on Culture, Media and Sport Minutes of Evidence


Memorandum submitted by M R C Parr

  Further to our conversation, I wish to submit the following observations in response to the above inquiry, based on my personal experiences, and not as a representative of any of the Organisations with whom I am connected:

RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE

  In the Fifth Special Report HC 387, The Preservation of HMS Cavalier: Government Response to the Second Report from the Culture Media and Sport Committee, Session 1998-99, the Government's Conclusions and Recommendations include:

    (iv)  Select Committee intervention is no substitute for a coherent public policy on ship preservation. It is arguable that left to their own arbitrary and tunnel vision criteria and judgements, of which this is not the only one, the Heritage Lottery Fund would have left the Cavalier to be turned into scrap (paragraph 9).

    (v)  "The delivery of a coherent policy framework is finally a responsibility of the Government rather than the Heritage Lottery Fund (paragraph 10).

    It is the policy of the Government to preserve the best of the industrial and maritime heritage, and the Government seeks to pursue this policy with the various partners, including importantly, the Heritage Lottery Fund.

    The Trustees of the Heritage Lottery Fund have drawn up a Strategic Plan which seeks to address the needs of all sectors of the heritage, and to establish priorities which should be attached to each element of each sector according to relative merit. The Department for Culture Media and Sport is consulting with the Heritage Lottery fund with a view to ensuring that this Strategic Plan reflects the requirements of its policy directions.

    The project currently being undertaken by the National Historic Ships Committee will be completed soon and the results from this study will provide an overall view of the needs of historic vessel preservation. This will assist the Heritage Lottery Fund in the difficult task of prioritising the needs of the industrial and maritime heritage sectors."

OBSERVATIONS ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS

  1.  I am not aware of any "coherent policy framework", which has been produced so far. The Department for Culture, Media and Sport are about to publish the results of their consultation paper "Ships for the Nation", with their proposals for the formation of a "National Historic Ships Unit", which may be the beginning of such a framework.

  2.  I gather that the Heritage Lottery Fund did produce a "Strategic Plan", but it has been superseded. I have not seen it.

  3.  The project undertaken by the National Historic Ships Committee produced the National Register of Historic Ships, over 40 feet in length, with a system for quantifying the historic merit, and some other factors of each ship, and grouping them into three categories of importance. It has not provided an overall view of the needs of historic vessels, or recorded vessels under 40 feet length.

REQUIREMENTS OF HISTORIC SHIPS

  From my experience of working with Historic Ships, I would define the requirements of the industry as follows:

    1.  Establishing an overall National policy for Historic Ships, and boats, and representing them at all levels of government, nationally, and internationally.

    2.  Providing strategic assistance to owners, advising on how vessels could be restored, conserved, and operated, and assisting in preparing Conservation Plans, Surveys, Specifications for work, and obtaining grants and other funding.

    3.  Establishing standards of restoration, conservation, and operation, which would cover all types of vessels, in all areas.

    4.  Providing and maintaining data base of techniques, which have been proved by practical application, for historic vessels, and provide guidance on which techniques could be used for the restoration, conservation, and operation of a vessel, and lists of possible consultants and contractors. There is also a need to encourage, and guide academic and practical research in areas, which would be advantageous for Historic Ships.

    5.  Assisting owners, who are unable to manage a vessel, either to find alternative applications, or if all else fails, to arrange for it to be properly recorded and dismantled. This would also include advice to organisations or people looking for Historic Ships.

    6.  Additional funding should be made available for the long term support. No Historic ship in UK has earned its long term upkeep.

NATIONAL CO -ORDINATING BODY

  Historic Ships require a National coordinating body. Over the last three decades there have been several organisations providing different services to them, none provided a complete service; some have suffered from changes in the environment, in which they have operated, but most of their services, and all their experience, and expertise, are still valid, and are required today, and will be in the future. None of them had national status at governmental level. The urgency to do something should not override getting the organisation right. The initial organisation should have the flexibility to enable it to evolve and change, as the industry develops.

PROPOSED NATIONAL HISTORIC SHIPS UNIT

A.   Structure

  While I have not had the opportunity to examine the new proposals, arising from "Ships for The Nation" paper I would like to confirm that while I totally approved the principle of a National Historic Ship Unit, I have several serious concerns over the details of the proposals:

    1.  The scope of activities of the proposed Unit would not cover all the requirements, which I detail below from my experience in the field.

    2.  I do not believe that the Unit could be manned by five full time experts, as no five experts could cover the whole field in sufficient depth, and if they could their costs would not be economic.

    3.  It should not be located at NMM, Greenwich.

  I believe that the proposed NHSU should have a central core of three or four people, including a very diplomatic Secretary/Director, with practical experience of historic ship restoration, and successful operation, who has the confidence of the owners to coordinate the different groups, and know who in the industry can best answer any particular question. It also requires an IT expert, to run the databases, with a secretary, with maritime experience. It could have separate Committees for each of its areas of responsibility, each responsible to the Main Board. The Unit would co-ordinate or encompass several existing bodies, which would have to be properly funded for the work which they do.

B.   Responsibilities

  I would divide the responsibilities of the Unit in three sections, National, Strategic, and Tactical.

1.  National

  This sector would cover item 1 of my "Requirements" above, including the work currently covered by the NHSC, maintaining and evolving the existing Register, but would also cover liaison in the National and International Governmental, and HLF fields. Their responsibilities would include dealing with regulating authorities, and negotiating exemptions from, or equivalents to potentially restrictive legislation. It would also help in obtaining materials, which are not available on the normal market, such as long lengths of Teak, and ensuring that other shipbuilding timbers are replanted, and reclassified as "from reproducible sources".

  It should compile the Register for "vessels under 40 feet". While the NHSC sub-contracted most of the preparation of "the over 40 feet Register" to St Andrews University, I believe that it would be more appropriate for this to be done by an organisation, with more practical experience of small boats, like that which is taking over the National Small Boat Collection from the National Maritime Museum, and who have already done work on this field.

2.  Strategic

  This would cover item 2, and part of 3, of my "Requirements" above, and how to retain and restore Heritage, sources from where funding could be obtained, and how to get it. This would be provided by one or more panels of people with maritime, ship repair, and business management experience, drawn from, encompassing, or incorporating such groups as the Ship's Committee of the Maritime Trust, the Mary Rose Trust, and the Big Ships Forum, Heritage Afloat, the Inland Waterways Association, and others. The people giving this assistance should be paid, but the advice should not be charged for. This group would also encourage research into the economics of the operation, and manning of Historic Ships, which is another urgent requirement.

  This area would also include the clarifying, and standardising a range of Conservation, Maintenance, Business, and Education Plans, for different sizes, and types, of vessels, and volunteer management.

  At present there are no standards of conservation for living, or operating ships or boats. Registered Museums who own boats have to apply Museum conservation standards, which were drawn up without consideration of their application in the live maritime field; they are intended for artefacts, like an Egyptian Mummy, or a Dead Sea Scroll.

  While these are undoubtedly appropriate for the "Mary Rose", they are not appropriate for vessels such as the PS Waverley, or the Sailing Drifter "Reaper". If these rules were applied to vessels like these, they would not be able to carry passengers, and earn the cost of their maintenance. They would lose the heritage of the operation of the vessels, and they would soon be scrapped like the John W Mackay.

  A set of practical standards for operational vessels, is now very urgently required. There should be an English equivalent of the American "Green Book".

  A database should be established to give guidance on costings for work on Historic Ships, and lists of consultants, surveyors, contractors, and suppliers, who have worked to approved standards.

3.  Tactical

  This would cover part of item 3, and all item 4 of my "Requirements" above. The advice on restoration, conservation, and operation would be provided from a series of integrated "Centres of Excellence", like the "Navigation De Savoir", in the Mediterranean, and those which are being considered now in Europe by the EU, they would also be the regional centres of the whole Unit.

  They would establish, and promulgate agreed and proven standards of practice, combining academic research, with the practical skills, required to establish the value and limitations of techniques; also they would teach these skills. These practical standards would be approved by the Main Board on the advice of the appropriate committees. This area would also provide students with guidance on fields in which further research would help to cover the gaps in the database of methods of restoration, conservation, and operation.

  Some people are calling for more conservators for historic ships, without realising that the actual skills involved are those exercised by a qualified Shipwright carrying out his normal "good housekeeping" practices.

  I have heard of someone who wished to write his thesis on the restoration of a boat, but could not do so as there was no one who could examine him on that subject; I believe that this indicates that the same problem exists in higher education.

C.   Other factors to be considered

  I would divide the Heritage of an Historic vessel into three separate "parts": the fabric, the entity, and the operation of the vessel as a vessel, combined with the operations involved with the vessel's trade. It is very unlikely that all three could be preserved, but normally two can be kept, or regained, at the expense of the third.

  In the case of the "Cutty Sark", some of the fabric, and all her "entity", can be conserved, at the cost of her operating. In the case of the "Waverley", her "entity", and her "operation" have been conserved, at the price of some of the original fabric, which has had to be changed to keep her seaworthy, and enable the vessel to earn her keep, carrying passengers. Some of her lost heritage has been restored.

  The aim, for which ships are restored, must be "for the benefit of the nation" and part of that must be, to be experienced by as many people as possible. This has been done most successfully by taking boats like "Ellen", built in 1882, to be shown at the Royal Agricultural Show at Stoneleigh, where she was probably seen by 40,000 people, or Lord St Levan's Old Ceremonial Barge which was built in 1740, and which I have sailed, which was rowed in the Great River Race twice, as was Cutty Sark's Captains Gig, and seen by many thousands. "Waverley" has carried 157,000 passengers in one year's shortened season. Demonstrations like these would not be possible under the rules, which registered museums have to apply to all vessels, as well as their objects.

  None of these boats would, in a glass case, attract enough visitors to pay for their upkeep in an unsubsidised environment, and no one would have learnt how difficult it was to sail the Old Ceremonial Barge with only two crew, how to handle a Paddle Steamer, or how to tack a "Dipping Lugger". It is important that having re-learnt these skills, they should be recorded.

  From my experience, I have found that many of the requirements of the latest safety standards can be incorporated without any loss of heritage, but others have had to involve compromises; in these cases the effects can been kept to a minimum. In addition, in several areas heritage, which had been lost, has been regained.

DIVISIONS

  Historic Ships, and Maritime Heritage, are divided into different camps, by some very deep divisions. In particular, some of the larger ships, and a few smaller boats are owned by Museums funded by DCMS, while the remainder, amounting to about 90% of our Historic vessel are owned by smaller Museums, Trusts, and private individuals, who have to earn, or raise the money required to maintain their vessels. Unfortunately the direction of the industry is mainly directed by representatives of the large Museums, and the private owners feel that they have very little say in what happens. I believe that this is responsible for some of the poor attendances at the NHSC road shows.

  Unless the NHSU is handing out money its power will depend solely on its ability to lead with advice, balancing enthusiasm, and pragmatism, which is seen and proved to be good, and provide old fashioned leadership.

  I am on the Main Board of the NHSC. I have retired after five years as a Trustee of the National Maritime Museum Cornwall, and I am now a member of its Advisory Counsel, and its Museum Committee. I am on the ships Committee of the Maritime Trust. I was technical Director of the Massey Shaw Trust and of the Cornish Maritime Trust. I have been involved in 11 of the projects listed by the HLF in the appendix to "Ships for the Nation", and a number, which are not listed. I have also worked on vessels in the Falkland Islands, and on Lake Titicaca. I am qualified as a Naval Architect, and served an apprenticeship as a Shipwright and Marine Engineer, I drive my own classic speedboat.

  I hope that these comments may be of help, and I would be pleased answer any questions, on these or any other points to do with Historic Ships, and Maritime Heritage.

25 January 2005





 
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