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WEDNESDAY 24 NOVEMBER 2004
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Kevan Jones | | Richard Ottaway
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Ordered, That the Chairman do visit the Armed Forces Chaplaincy Centre, for the purposes of the Committee's inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)
Ordered, That the Chairman and Mr Peter Viggers do visit RAF Cosford, for the purposes of the Committee's inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do visit New York and Washington in connection with its inquiry into Iraq and Transatlantic Security Relations.—(The Chairman)
Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with said visit.
Future Capabilities: Admiral Sir Alan West GCB DSC ADC, First Sea Lord, Ministry of Defence, was examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 1 December at 9.45 am
WEDNESDAY 1 DECEMBER 2004
[MORNING SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard | | Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Duty of Care: Mrs Lynn Farr, Mrs Janette Mattin, Ms June Sharples, Mrs Claudia Beckley-Lines and Mr Justin Hugheston-Roberts, were examined.
[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 1 DECEMBER 2004
[AFTERNOON SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard | | Mr Kevan Jones
Richard Ottaway
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Ordered, That the Chairman and Mike Gapes do visit Hendon Police College, for the purposes of the Committee's inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)
Duty of Care: Mr Des James, Mrs Doreen James, Mr James Collinson, Mrs Yvonne Collinson, Mr Geoff Gray and Mrs Diane Gray were examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 15 December at 9.30 am
WEDNESDAY 15 DECEMBER 2004
[MORNING SITTING]
The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A.
Members present:
| Defence Committee | | Foreign Affairs Committee | | International Development Committee | | Trade and Industry Committee |
Mike Gapes
Mr Bruce George
Mr Peter Viggers | | Mr Fabian Hamilton
Mr Bill Olner
Sir John Stanley
| | John Barrett
Mr John Bercow
Mr Tony Colman
Mr Quentin Davies | | Mr Roger Berry
Mr Nigel Evans
Mr Martin O'Neill |
Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).
The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).
Strategic Export Controls: Mr Andy McLean, Deputy Director, Saferworld, Mr Oliver Sprague, Senior Policy Adviser, Oxfam, and Mr Robert Parker, Campaign Manager, Arms and Security, Amnesty International; Mr David Hayes, Export Controls Compliance Manager, Rolls-Royce plc, Mr Tim Otter, Vice President, Business Development, Smiths Detection, Mr Michael Bell, Export Controls Consultant, BAE Systems, and Mr Brinley Salzmann, Exports Director, Defence Manufacturers' Association, were examined.
[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 15 DECEMBER 2004
[AFTERNOON SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard | | Richard Ottaway
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Duty of Care: Rt Hon Adam Ingram, a Member of the House, Minister of State, Colonel David Eccles, Chief of Staff, Army Training and Recruiting Agency, and Mr Martin Fuller, Director, Service Personnel Policy, Service Conditions, Ministry of Defence, were examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 12 January at 9.30 am
WEDNESDAY 12 JANUARY 2005
[MORNING SITTING]
The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A.
Members present:
| Defence Committee | | Foreign Affairs Committee | | International Development Committee | | Trade and Industry Committee |
Mike Gapes
Mr Bruce George
Mr Peter Viggers | | Mr Donald Anderson
Mr Fabian Hamilton
Sir John Stanley
| | Tony Baldry
John Barrett
Mr John Bercow
Mr Tony Colman
Mr Quentin Davies
Mr Piara S Khabra | | Mr Roger Berry
Mr Nigel Evans
Mr Martin O'Neill |
Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).
The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).
Strategic Export Controls: Rt Hon Jack Straw, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, Mr Edward Oakden, CMG, Director International Security, and Mr David Landsman, Head, Counter-Proliferation Department, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, were examined.
[Adjourned till this day at 2.00 pm
WEDNESDAY 12 JANUARY 2005
[AFTERNOON SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard | | Mr Kevan Jones
Richard Ottaway
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Future Capabilities: Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, and General Sir Mike Jackson GCB CBE DSO ADC Gen, Chief of the General Staff, Ministry of Defence, were examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 26 January at 9.45 am
WEDNESDAY 26 JANUARY 2005
[MORNING SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the chair
Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Mr Kevan Jones | | Mr Dai Havard
Richard Ottaway
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Iraq: Chief Constable Paul Kernaghan, Coordinator for International Policing, Association of Chief Police Officers, Mr Stephen Pattison, Director of International Security, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Mr Stephen Rimmer, Director, Policing Policy, Home Office, and Dr Owen Greene, Director, Centre for International Cooperation and Security (CICS), University of Bradford, were examined.
[Adjourned till this day at 3.30pm
WEDNESDAY 26 JANUARY 2005
[AFTERNOON SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard | | Richard Ottaway
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Iraq: Mr Martin Howard, Director General, Operational Policy, Lt General John McColl CBE DSO, Major General Nick Houghton CBE, ACDS (Operations), and Major General Bill Rollo CBE, Ministry of Defence, were examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 2 February at 9.45am
WEDNESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 2005
[MORNING SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock | | Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Iraq: Mr Martin Howard, Director General, Operational Policy, Lt General John McColl CBE DSO, Major General Nick Houghton CBE, Assistant Chief of Defence Staff (Operations), and Major General Bill Rollo CBE, Ministry of Defence, were further examined.
[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 2005
[AFTERNOON SITTING]
Members present:
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock | | Mr Dai Havard
Mr Frank Roy |
The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (Work of the Committee in 2004), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 62 read and agreed to.
Annexes (Informal meetings during 2004, Overseas and UK visits during 2004, Specialist advice sought during 2004) agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the First Report of the Committee to the House.
Tri-Service Armed Forces Bill: Mr Ivor Caplin, a Member of the House, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, Mrs Teresa Jones, Head of the Armed Forces Bill Team, and Mr Humphrey Morrison, Legal Adviser, Ministry of Defence, were examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 9 February at 9.45 am
WEDNESDAY 9 FEBRUARY 2005
[MORNING SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard | | Richard Ottaway
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Iraq: Mr Jim Drummond, Former Director, Iraq Directorate, Ms Pauline Hays, Senior Programme Manager, Iraq Directorate, and Mr Rodney Matthews, Former Head of Office, Basra, Department for International Development, were examined.
[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 9 FEBRUARY 2005
[AFTERNOON SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard | | Richard Ottaway
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Iraq: Rt Hon Adam Ingram, a Member of the House, Minister of State, Major General Nick Houghton CBE, Assistant Chief of Defence Staff (Operations), were further examined, Dr Roger Hutton, Director, Joint Commitments Policy, Ministry of Defence, was examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 2 March at 10.00 am
WEDNESDAY 2 MARCH 2005
[MORNING SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard | | Mr Kevan Jones
Richard Ottaway
Mr Frank Roy |
The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (Tri-Service Armed Forces Bill), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
The Committee deliberated.
Ordered, That further consideration of the Chairman's draft report be postponed.
Draft Report (Future Capabilities), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1–84 read and agreed to.
Paragraph 85 read as follows:
Earlier we noted the conclusion in our report, Defence White Paper 2003, that the planning assumptions in the SDR had 'provided relatively little resilience to enable the services to re-orientate when called upon to do so'. We are concerned that if the size of the Army is only just enough to man the proposed force structure a similar lack of resilience may be experienced in the future.
Amendment proposed, at end to insert "We do not support the cuts in the infantry battalions"—(Richard Ottaway).
Question put, that the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided.
Ayes, 2
Mr James Cran
Richard Ottaway | | Noes, 4
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones |
Paragraph 85 agreed to.
Paragraphs 86 to 220 read and agreed to.
Annex (Summary) agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Fourth Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Ordered, That several memoranda be reported to the House.
[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 2 MARCH 2005
[AFTERNOON SITTING]
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock | | Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (Duty of Care), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 448 read and agreed to.
A paragraph—(Mr Mike Hancock)—brought up and read as follows:
The Committee remain of the view that the two Commanding Officers of Deepcut at the time of the deaths should have given evidence about the chain of command and what they knew about what was going on in the camp and what actions they took following each of the deaths.
Question, that the paragraph be inserted in the Report, put and negatived.
Paragraphs 449 to 458 read and agreed to.
Annexes (List Of Duty of Care Visits; Literature Review and Analysis and List of Abbreviations) agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Third Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Ordered, That several memoranda be reported to the House.
The Committee deliberated.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report (Tri-Service Armed Forces Bill) be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 130 read and agreed to.
Annex (List of Abbreviations) agreed to.
Summary agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Second Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Ordered, That several memoranda be reported to the House.
[Adjourned till Tuesday 15 March at 9.30 am
TUESDAY 15 MARCH 2005
The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A.
Members present:
| Defence Committee | | Foreign Affairs Committee | | International Development Committee | | Trade and Industry Committee |
Mike Gapes
Mr Bruce George
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers | | Mr Fabian Hamilton
Mr John Maples
Mr Bill Olner
Mr Greg Pope
Sir John Stanley | | Mr John Battle
Mr John Bercow
Mr Tony Colman
| | Mr Roger Berry
Mr Nigel Evans
Mr Martin O'Neill |
Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A (1)(d).
The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A (1)(b).
Draft Report (Strategic Export Controls: HMG's Annual Report for 2003, Licensing Policy and Parliamentary Scrutiny), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be considered concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A (1)(c).
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 173 read and agreed to.
DEFENCE COMMITTEE
The Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees withdrew.
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr Mike Gapes
Rachel Squire | | Mr Peter Viggers |
Resolved, That the draft Report (Strategic Export Controls: HMG's Annual Report for 2003, Licensing Policy and Parliamentary Scrutiny), prepared by the Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees, be the Fifth Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 137 A (2) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That Mr Roger Berry do make the Joint Report to the House.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 16 March at 10.00 am
WEDNESDAY 16 MARCH 2005
[MORNING SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard | | Richard Ottaway
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (Iraq: An Initial Assessment of Post-conflict Operations), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till this day at 2.00 pm
WEDNESDAY 16 MARCH 2005
[AFTERNOON SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Frank Roy | | Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers |
The Committee deliberated.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 271 read and agreed to.
Annex (List of Abbreviations) agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Sixth Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Ordered, That several memoranda be reported to the House.
The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till a date and time to be fixed by the Chairman
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