Select Committee on Welsh Affairs Minutes of Evidence


Written evidence from the Police Authorities of Wales is printed on Page Ev 378

Examination of Witness (Questions 297-299)

30 NOVEMBER 2004

Mr Malcolm King

  Q297 Chairman: Welcome to our inquiry into policing in Wales, North Wales specifically, although I believe you are speaking on behalf of the Police Authorities of Wales. If you could introduce yourself to the Committee for the record, please.

  Mr King: First of all, I am very pleased to be here. Thank you very much for your invitation. My name is Malcolm King and I am the chairman of the North Wales Police Authority. I am also, I understand, answering questions on behalf of the Police Authorities of Wales, although I would like to say at this point that clearly my knowledge of North Wales, as you would expect, is rather greater than it is of other police forces and police authorities in Wales so I will obviously give more illustrations to my answers with regard to North Wales rather than other places.

  Q298 Chairman: As an ex-member of the police authority I know a little bit of what you do. It has probably changed since I was a member. Perhaps you could outline the present role of North Wales Police Authority specifically and also the Police Authorities of Wales.

  Mr King: I think you are right in saying that the police authorities' roles have changed considerably since you were a member. They have changed hugely since I first became a member about eight years ago or so. It hardly seems as though a few months go by without more duties or expectations being placed upon police authorities. It is entirely at the wish of police authorities to have their role widened and expanded, but it certainly means that the changes in duties are considerable over a period of time. The main duties really are to have an oversight of the operation of the police force. It is done in a number of ways. We appoint and review the performance of chief constables—and of course, in extreme cases, that would lead in effect to dismissing chief constables, so we hire and fire the senior officers and that still extends to the whole ACPO team. We also set the budget, which is a major function, and we also have oversight of the budget during the year—so it is not just a one-off process. We also keep an eye on the performance of police authorities. That is another hugely expanded role of police authorities over the last few years, particularly with a greater capability for doing that, largely through the effort the Government have put into making sure that the mechanisms for reviewing and monitoring performance are consistent across the country and that the method of recording crime is more consistent as well. You will be aware that there is a new crime recording standard: the Police Standards Unit has been brought into operation—that was three years ago or so, I think—and all of that, together with a more focused role for Her Majesty's Inspectorate, has meant a greater ability of police forces to be able to measure their performance against themselves and against each other and against, of course, standards which are set down by Parliament in a much more focused way with the National Policing Plan and so on. That whole area of police authority business and police force business has been immensely sharpened over the last few years. The other key role of police authorities is to act as a bridge between the public and the police force. One of our key roles has been to consult with communities, to find out what sort of policing they want and try to reflect that as much as is possible within the local policing plans, so the North Wales Police Authority has a policing plan which responds to local needs as well as to priorities set down by the National Policing Plan. Those are the key functions of the North Wales Police Authority and all police authorities.

  Q299 Chairman: If we could come on to the Police Authorities of Wales, in paragraph 2.3 of your submission you say that one of its functions is to "maintain a broad Welsh prospectus on policing matters." Does that mean that you have a coherent Welsh agenda differing from that in England as a collection of police authorities in Wales?

  Mr King: Yes, I think we have. That difference largely stems from the existence of the Welsh Assembly Government. As you know, policing is not and cannot be simply divorced from the context in which policing goes on. Therefore our relationships with other deliverers of public service as well as other factors, how the economy is doing and so on, are critical factors in the wider picture of community safety. A lot of those public functions obviously now are carried out by the Welsh Assembly, and therefore we have a need to make sure that the police authority and police force policies are dovetailed successfully with theirs. Particularly noteworthy is the fact that we have regular meetings with the minister responsible for community safety in Wales, Mrs Edwina Hart, and also, to a lesser extent, with Sue Essex, now that the finance responsibilities are with her. It is particularly important for us to develop that relationship. I must say that from a position which was not well-developed, it has become one which is extremely fruitful, both in terms of creating a good understanding of what police authorities are trying to achieve and also in terms of attracting particular streams of funding into community safety and into the police forces themselves, with some noteworthy examples which I have mentioned in our evidence.


 
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