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House of Commons

Tuesday 25th October 2005

Standing Committee Proceedings

Standing Committee B

Violent Crime Reduction Bill

[sixth and seventh Sittings]

Mr Alex Salmond

Stewart Hosie

Angus Robertson

Pete Wishart

Mr Mike Weir

Mr Angus MacNeil

Withdrawn  2

Clause  26,  page  28,  line  33,  at end insert ‘in England and Wales’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not selected  190

Clause  26,  page  28,  line  35,  at end insert ‘except if the purchase or hire is

associated with membership of a rifle target club, in which case the age limit will be 17.’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  215

Clause  26,  page  28,  line  35,  at end insert ‘which is also a realistic imitation firearm

or a firearm for which a firearms certificate would be required under section 1 of the 1968

Act.’.

Lynne Featherstone

John Thurso

Not called  152

Clause  26,  page  28,  line  36,  leave out ‘seventeen’ and insert ‘eighteen’.

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Violent Crime Reduction Bill, continued

Mr Alex Salmond

Stewart Hosie

Angus Robertson

Pete Wishart

Mr Mike Weir

Mr Angus MacNeil

Not called  3

Clause  26,  page  28,  line  37,  at end insert—

‘(2A)
After section 22(1) insert—-

“(1A)
It is an offence in Scotland—

(a)
for a person under the age of 18 to purchase or hire an air weapon

or ammunition for an air weapon;

(b)
for a person over the age of 18 to purchase or hire an air weapon

or ammunition for an air weapon except from a person or place

licensed as set out in (1B) below.

(1B)
The conditions for licensing a person or place to sell or hire an air weapon

or ammunition for an air weapon are to be set by the Scottish

Parliament.”.’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  216

Clause  26,  page  28,  line  41,  after ‘weapon’, insert ‘which is also a realistic

imitation firearm or a firearm for which a firearms certificate would be required under

section 1 of the 1968 Act.’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not selected  191

Clause  26,  page  28,  line  42,  at end insert ‘except if the purchase or hire is

associated with membership of a rifle target club, in which case the age limit will be 17.’.

Clause Agreed to on division.

Lynne Featherstone

John Thurso

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Withdrawn  153

Clause  27,  page  29,  line  19,  after ‘it’, insert ‘, intentionally or recklessly,’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not selected  193

Clause  27,  page  29,  line  19,  at end insert ‘without lawful authority or reasonable

excuse’.

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Violent Crime Reduction Bill, continued

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not selected  296

Clause  27,  page  29,  line  23,  after ‘premises’, insert ‘without lawful authority or

reasonable excuse’.

Clause Agreed to.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Withdrawn  196

Clause  28,  page  29,  line  39,  leave out subsection (1) and insert—

‘(1)
For the purposes of this section a primer is a cap type primer, UN numbers 0044,

0377, 0378 for use with metallic small arms ammunition and shall not include any

fired or inert primers or any primers manufactured for use in equipment which

does not fire a projectile.’.

Lynne Featherstone

John Thurso

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Withdrawn  154

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  1,  after ‘person’, insert ‘knowingly’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  228

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  10,  leave out ‘he produces’ and insert ‘he shows that he is

the holder of’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  229

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  10,  after ‘certificate’, insert ‘on initial purchase and shows

that he is the holder of a certificate on any subsequent purchase from the same vendor’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  220

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  10,  after ‘firearm’, insert ‘or a shotgun’.

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Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  230

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  12,  leave out ‘he produces’ and insert ‘he shows that he is

the holder of’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  231

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  12,  after ‘certificate’, insert ‘on initial purchase and shows

that he is the holder of a certificate on any subsequent purchase from the same vendor’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  221

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  13,  at end insert ‘or a shotgun’.

Hazel Blears

Agreed to  88

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  13,  at end insert—

‘()
he shows that he is a person in the service of Her Majesty who is entitled

under subsection(5A) to acquire a primer to which this section applies;’.

Hazel Blears

Agreed to  89

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  15,  after ‘enactment’, insert ‘and otherwise than by virtue

of being a person in the service of Her Majesty’.

Hazel Blears

Agreed to  90

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  16,  leave out ‘such ammunition’ and insert ‘ammunition

for a firearm’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  222

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  16,  at end insert ‘or a shotgun’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  223

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  19,  after ‘firearm’, insert ‘or a shotgun’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Withdrawn  217

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  20,  at end insert—

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‘(g)
he proves that he is purchasing the primer for the purpose of theatrical

performance, historical re-enactment, museum or educational use, use as

a starting gun at a sporting event, use in equipment which does not fire a

projectile, or use in a blank firing gun.’.

Lynne Featherstone

John Thurso

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  155

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  21,  after ‘person’ insert ‘knowingly’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  232

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  30,  leave out ‘he holds’ and insert ‘he shows that he is the

holder of’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  233

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  30,  leave out ‘he holds’ and insert ‘he produces’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  289

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  30,  after ‘certificate’, insert ‘on initial purchase and shows

that he is the holder of a certificate on any subsequent purchase from the same vendor’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  224

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  30,  after ‘firearm’, insert ‘or a shotgun’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  234

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  32,  leave out ‘he holds’ and insert ‘he shows that he is the

holder of’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  235

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  32,  leave out ‘he holds’ and insert ‘he produces’.

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Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  236

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  32,  after ‘certificate’, insert ‘on initial purchase and shows

that he is the holder of a certificate on any subsequent purchase from the same vendor’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  225

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  33,  at end insert ‘or a shotgun’.

Hazel Blears

Agreed to  91

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  33,  at end insert—

‘()
he is a person in the service of Her Majesty who is entitled under

subsection (5A) to acquire a primer to which this section applies;’.

Hazel Blears

Agreed to  92

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  35,  after ‘enactment’, insert ‘and otherwise than by virtue

of being a person in the service of Her Majesty’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  226

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  35,  after ‘firearm’, insert ‘or a shotgun’.

Hazel Blears

Agreed to  93

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  36,  leave out ‘such ammunition’ and insert ‘ammunition

for a firearm’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  227

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  38,  after ‘firearm’, insert ‘or a shotgun’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  219

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  39,  at end insert ‘; or

(g)
he proves that he is purchasing the primer for the purpose of theatrical

performance, historical re-enactment, museum or educational use, use in

a starting gun at a sporting event, use in equipment which does not fire a

projectile, or use in a blank firing gun.’.

Hazel Blears

Agreed to  94

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  39,  at end insert—

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‘(5A)
A person who is in the service of Her Majesty is entitled to acquire a primer to

which this section applies if—

(a)
he is duly authorised in writing to acquire firearms and ammunition for

the public service; or

(b)
he is a person who is authorised to purchase a firearm or ammunition by

virtue of a certificate issued in accordance with section 54(2)(b) of the

1968 Act (certificates for persons in naval, military or air service of Her

Majesty).’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  237

Clause  28,  page  30,  line  39,  at end insert—

‘(5A)
On prosecution for an offence under subsection (2), it shall be a defence for a

person to show that—

(a)
he did not know that what he was selling was an object of a description

covered by subsection (2); or

(b)
he believed, on reasonable grounds, that the person to whom he sold the

object was a person covered by subsection (3).

(5B)
On prosecution for an offence under subsection (4), it shall be a defence for a

person to show that—

(a)
he did not know that what he was buying was an object of a description

covered by subsection (2); or

(b)
he reasonably believed that he was a person covered by subsection (5).’.

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

Lynne Featherstone

John Thurso

Withdrawn  156

Clause  29,  page  31,  line  9,  after ‘person’, insert ‘knowingly’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  246

Clause  29,  page  31,  line  14,  leave out ‘he produces’ and insert ‘he shows that he is

the holder of’.

Mr Humfrey Malins

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Mr Mark Prisk

Not called  247

Clause  29,  page  31,  line  14,  after ‘certificate’, insert ‘on initial purchase and shows

that he is the holder of a certificate on any subsequent purchase from the same vendor’.