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Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 2nd November 2005  

90

 

Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  45

 

Clause  2,  page  3,  line  32,  leave out paragraph (b).

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Not called  74

 

Clause  2,  page  4,  line  1,  leave out paragraphs (a) to (c).

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  46

 

Clause  2,  page  4,  line  2,  after ‘charged’, insert ‘or’.

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  47

 

Clause  2,  page  4,  line  5,  leave out paragraph (c).

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Not called  56

 

Clause  2,  page  4,  line  11,  leave out from beginning to end of line 25 and insert—

 

‘(a)    

that the publication, so far as it contained matter by reference to which it

 

was a terrorist publication within the meaning of subsection 2 (1) (apart

 

from the possibility of his having been given and failed to comply with a

 

notice under subsection 3 (3) below) neither expressed his own view nor

 

had his endorsement; and

 

(b)    

that the conduct in relation to that publication was not intended by him to

 

constitute a direct or indirect encouragement or other inducement to the

 

commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism or to provide

 

or make available assistance to any person in the commission or

 

preparation of acts of terrorism.

 


 

In any case in which defence above is raised by a defendant, it shall be

 

for the prosecution to disprove it to the criminal standard of proof.’.

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  48

 

Clause  2,  page  4,  line  13,  leave out paragraphs (b) to (d).


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 2nd November 2005  

91

 

Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  39

 

Clause  3,  page  5,  line  8,  leave out paragraph (a) and insert—

 

‘(a)    

a Crown Court Judge (or in Scotland a Judge in the High Court of

 

Justiciary) has granted an order under subsection (3)’.

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  86

 

Clause  3,  page  5,  line  9,  leave out ‘2’ and insert ‘3’.

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  40

 

Clause  3,  page  5,  line  14,  leave out ‘constable giving’ and insert ‘judge granting’.

 

Mr William Cash

 

Not called  51

 

Clause  3,  page  6,  line  12,  leave out subsection (8).

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  41

 

Clause  3,  page  6,  line  19,  at end add—

 

‘(9)    

A judge granting an order under this section must be satisfied that there are

 

reasonable grounds for believing that the statement encourages terrorism.’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

Clause 4 Agreed to.

 


 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Withdrawn  8

 

Clause  23,  page  21,  line  27,  leave out subsection (2).


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 2nd November 2005  

92

 

Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Agreed to  9

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  3,  after ‘to’, insert ‘a’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Not called  10

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  7,  leave out ‘special’ and insert ‘any’.

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  92

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  10,  at end insert ‘In sub-paragraph (4) of paragraph 29, at

 

the beginning insert “subject to sub-paragraph (3AB) of paragraph 36.”.’.

 

Mr David Winnick

 

Not called  29

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  10,  at end insert—

 

‘(4A)    

In subparagraphs (1) and (5) of paragraph 36 (period for which warrants may be

 

extended) for the words “judicial authority” substitute “High Court Judge.”.’.

 

Mr David Winnick

 

Emily Thornberry

 

Mr Sadiq Khan

 

Mr Chris Mullin

 

Dr Desmond Turner

 

Dr Rudi Vis

 

Not called  28

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  19,  leave out ‘three months’ and insert ‘28 days’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Angus Robertson

 

Mr Alex Salmond

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Stewart Hosie

 

Not selected  68

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  19,  leave out ‘three months’ and insert ‘fourteen days’.

 

Mr David Winnick

 

Not called  30

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  28,  leave out ‘judicial authority’ and insert ‘High Court

 

Judge’.

 

Mr David Winnick

 

Not called  31

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  33,  leave out ‘judicial authority’ and insert ‘High Court


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 2nd November 2005  

93

 

Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Judge’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Not called  11

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  33,  leave out ‘special’ and insert ‘any’.

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  93

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  36,  at end insert—

 

‘(3AB)    

where the new specified period will end more than 14 days after the relevant time

 

(a)    

judicial authority means—

 

(i)    

in England and Wales, a judge of the High Court

 

(ii)    

in Scotland, a judge of the Court of Session

 

(iii)    

in Northern Ireland, a judge of the High Court of Northern

 

Ireland.

 

(b)    

the specified period may only be extended—

 

(i)    

pending the result of an examination or analysis which is to be or

 

is being carried out with a view to obtaining relevant evidence

 

(ii)    

for the purpose of decryption of electronic data with a view to

 

obtaining relevant evidence

 

(iii)    

for the purpose of obtaining relevant evidence from outside the

 

United Kingdom or from records within the United Kingdom

 

which can not reasonably be obtained without such an extension

 

of the specified period.

 

(c)    

the specified period may only be extended if the judicial authority is

 

satisfied that there is no reasonable possibility of the detainee being

 

charged immediately with another offence relating to the terrorism or a

 

terrorist act.

 

(d)    

the judicial authority must approve the nature of any further questioning

 

of the detainee during the new specified period.’.

 

Mr David Winnick

 

Not called  32

 

Clause  23,  page  22,  line  45,  after ‘authority’, insert ‘or High Court Judge’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Angus Robertson

 

Mr Alex Salmond

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Stewart Hosie

 

Not selected  66

 

Clause  23,  page  23,  line  6,  at end insert—

 

‘(6A)    

In this section “judicial authority” means—

 

(a)    

in England and Wales, a judge of the High Court; and

 

(b)    

in Scotland, a judge of the Court of Session.’.


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 2nd November 2005  

94

 

Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Angus Robertson

 

Mr Alex Salmond

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Stewart Hosie

 

Not selected  67

 

Clause  23,  page  23,  line  11,  at end insert—

 

‘(7A)    

This section shall not apply in a case in which the judicial authority considering

 

the case has not considered representations made by either the person detained or

 

a representative of the person detained.’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Not called  16

 

Clause  23,  page  23,  line  11,  at end add—

 

‘(8)    

The judicial authority for the extension of any period of detention under Schedule

 

8 to the Terrorism Act 2000 shall be a senior circuit judge.

 

(9)    

An appeal shall lie from any decision of the judicial authority to a judge of the

 

High Court.’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Not selected  14

 

Page  21,  line  24,  leave out Clause 23.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Not called  12

 

Clause  24,  page  23,  line  19,  at end insert—

 

‘(1A)    

In Schedule 8 to the Terrorism Act 2000, in paragraph 23(1) (grounds on which

 

a review officer may authorise continued detention), at end of paragraph (a) add

 

“but after the expiry of a period of fourteen days detention no further detention

 

shall be authorised solely to obtain evidence by questioning.”.’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Not called  13

 

Clause  24,  page  23,  line  28,  at end insert ‘but after the expiry of a period of

 

fourteen days detention, no further detention shall be authorised solely to obtain evidence

 

by questioning.’.


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 2nd November 2005  

95

 

Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Not called  17

 

Clause  24,  page  23,  line  40,  at end add—

 

‘(6)    

The Secretary of State shall, prior to the coming into force of sections 23 and 24,

 

carry out a review of Code C of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act and

 

produce a separate code to cover all detention under the Terrorism Act 2000

 

lasting for longer than seven days.

 

(7)    

Such code shall include provision to allow for the questioning of a terrorist

 

suspect after charge, subject to leave being obtained from the judicial authority,

 

and any such questioning shall be treated for all evidential purposes as if it had

 

taken place prior to charge.’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Not selected  15

 

Page  23,  line  12,  leave out Clause 24.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

Progress reported


 
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