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House of Commons

 
 

Monday 14th November 2005

 

Report Stage Proceedings

 

Violent Crime Reduction Bill, As Amended


 

New Clauses

 

Power to search further education students for weapons

 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Added  NC9

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘After section 85A of the Further and Higher Education Act 1992 (c. 13) insert—

 

“85B  

Power to search further education students for weapons

 

(1)    

A member of staff of an institution within the further education sector

 

who has reasonable grounds for believing that a student at the institution

 

may have with him or in his possessions—

 

(a)    

an article to which section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988

 

applies (knives and blades etc.), or

 

(b)    

an offensive weapon (within the meaning of the Prevention of

 

Crime Act 1953),

 

    

may search that student or his possessions for such articles and weapons.

 

(2)    

A search under this section may be carried out only where—

 

(a)    

the member of staff and the student are on the premises of the

 

institution; or

 

(b)    

they are elsewhere and the member of staff has lawful control or

 

charge of the student.

 

(3)    

A person may carry out a search under this section only if—

 

(a)    

he is the principal of the institution; or

 

(b)    

he has been authorised by the principal to carry out the search.

 

(4)    

A person who carries out a search of a student under this section—

 

(a)    

may not require the student to remove any clothing other than

 

outer clothing;

 

(b)    

must be of the same sex as the student; and

 

(c)    

may carry out the search only in the presence of another person

 

who is aged 18 or over and is also of the same sex as the student.


 
 

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(5)    

A student’s possessions may not be searched under this section except in

 

his presence and in the presence of a person (in addition to the person

 

carrying out the search) who is aged 18 or over.

 

(6)    

If, in the course of a search under this section, the person carrying out the

 

search finds—

 

(a)    

anything which he has reasonable grounds for suspecting falls

 

within subsection (1)(a) or (b), or

 

(b)    

any other thing which he has reasonable grounds for suspecting

 

is evidence in relation to an offence,

 

    

he may seize and retain it.

 

(7)    

A person who exercises a power under this section may use such force as

 

is reasonable in the circumstances for exercising that power.

 

(8)    

A person who seizes anything under subsection (6) must deliver it to a

 

police constable as soon as reasonably practicable.

 

(9)    

The Police (Property) Act 1897 (disposal of property in the possession of

 

the police) shall apply to property which has come into the possession of

 

a police constable under this section as it applies to property which has

 

come into the possession of the police in the circumstances mentioned in

 

that Act.

 

(10)    

An authorisation for the purposes of subsection (3)(b) may be given

 

either in relation to a particular search or generally in relation to searches

 

under this section or to a particular description of such searches.

 

(11)    

In this section—

 

‘member of staff’, in relation to an institution within the further education

 

sector, means any person who works at that institution whether or not as

 

its employee;

 

‘outer clothing’ means—

 

(a)    

any item of clothing that is being worn otherwise than wholly

 

next to the skin or immediately over a garment being worn as

 

underwear; or

 

(b)    

a hat, shoes, boots, gloves or a scarf;

 

‘possessions’, in relation to a student of an institution within the further

 

education sector, includes any goods over which he has or appears to

 

have control.

 

(12)    

The powers conferred by this section are in addition to any powers

 

exercisable by the member of staff in question apart from this section and

 

are not to be construed as restricting such powers.”.’.

 



 
 

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Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (amendment)

 

Mr Humfrey Malins

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Mr Mark Prisk

 

Negatived on division  NC1

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

The Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (c. 37) is amended as follows.

 

(2)    

In subsection (7) of section 1 (anti-social behaviour orders), for “two years”

 

substitute “three months”.’.

 


 

Criminal Justice Act 1988 (amendment)

 

Mr Humfrey Malins

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Mr Mark Prisk

 

Negatived on division  NC2

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (c. 33) is amended as follows.

 

(2)    

In subsection (6)(b) of section 139 (offence of having article with blade or point

 

in public place), for “two years” substitute “five years”.’.

 


 

Offences against ‘public servants’

 

Mr James Clappison

 

Not selected  NC3

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘An offence is aggravated by reason of being committed against a public servant

 

for the purposes of Sections [Offences against public servants: malicious

 

wounding etc.] and [Offences against public servants: harassment etc.] if the

 

victim is a public servant pursuant to the provisions of Section [Definition of

 

“public servant”].’.

 


 

Offences against public servants: malicious wounding etc.

 

Mr James Clappison

 

Not selected  NC4

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

A person is guilty of an offence under this section if he commits—


 
 

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(a)    

an offence under section 20 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861

 

(24 and 25 Vict c. 100) (malicious wounding or grievous bodily harm),

 

(b)    

an offence against section 47 of that Act (actual bodily harm), or

 

(c)    

common assault,

 

    

which is aggravated by reason of being committed against a public servant.

 

(2)    

A person guilty of an offence falling within subsections (1)(a) or (b) above shall

 

be liable—

 

(a)    

on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding the

 

statutory maximum, or to a fine, or to both;

 

(b)    

on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding

 

seven years or to a fine, or to both.

 

(3)    

A person guilty of an offence falling within subsection (1)(c) above shall be

 

liable—

 

(a)    

on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six

 

months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both;

 

(b)    

on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding

 

two years or to a fine, or to both.’.

 


 

Offences against public servants: harassment etc.

 

Mr James Clappison

 

Not selected  NC5

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

A person is guilty of an offence under this section if he commits—

 

(a)    

an offence under section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986 (c. 64) (fear or

 

provocation of violence);

 

(b)    

an offence under section 4A of that Act (intentional harassment, alarm or

 

distress); or

 

(c)    

an offence against section 5 of that Act (harassment, alarm or distress),

 

    

which is aggravated by reason of being committed against a public servant.

 

(2)    

A constable may arrest without warrant anyone whom he reasonably suspects to

 

be committing an offence falling within subsections (1)(a) or (b) above.

 

(3)    

A constable may arrest a person without warrant if—

 

(a)    

he engages in conduct which a constable reasonably suspects to

 

constitute an offence falling within subsection (1)(c) above;

 

(b)    

he is warned by the constable stop; and

 

(c)    

he engages in further such conduct immediately, or shortly after the

 

warning.

 

    

The conduct mentioned in paragraph (a) above and the further conduct need not

 

be of the same nature.

 

(4)    

A person guilty of an offence falling within subsections (1)(a) or (b) above shall

 

be liable—

 

(a)    

on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six

 

months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both;

 

(b)    

on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding

 

two years or to a fine, or to both.


 
 

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(5)    

A person guilty of an offence falling within subsection (1)(c) above shall be liable

 

to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.

 

(6)    

If, on the trial on indictment of a person charged with an offence falling within

 

subsections (1)(a) or (b) above the jury find him not guilty of the offence charged,

 

they may find him guilty of the basic offence mentioned in that provision.’.

 


 

Definition of ‘public servant’

 

Mr James Clappison

 

Not selected  NC6

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

For the purposes of sections [Offences against “public servants”], [Offences

 

against public servants: malicious wounding, etc.] and [Offences against “public

 

servants”: harassment, etc.], “public servant” means an officer or servant of the

 

Crown or of any public authority, acting in the course of his employment,

 

including persons—

 

(a)    

engaged in the provision of care on behalf of the National Health Service;

 

(b)    

engaged in the provision of education in maintained schools or further or

 

higher education;

 

(c)    

employed by central or local government, including fire services, and

 

(d)    

engaged in the provision of social housing.

 

(2)    

For the purposes of the sections listed in subsection (1), the definition of “public

 

servant” shall also include any person engaged in the provision of public

 

transport, including railways, buses and taxis.

 

(3)    

The Secretary of State may, by order, designate further categories of persons as

 

“public servants” pursuant to this section.’.

 


 

Offence of having article with blade or point in public place (amendment)

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

John Thurso

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Not called  nc7

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (c. 33) is amended as follows.

 

(2)    

In subsection (6)(b) of section 139 (offence of having article with blade or point

 

in public place), for “two years” substitute “seven years”.’.

 



 
 

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Power of members of staff to search students etc. for weapons

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

John Thurso

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Not called  nc8

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘After Section 85A of the Further and Higher Education Act (c. 13) insert—

 

“85AA

Power of members of staff to search students etc. for weapons

 

(1)    

A member of the staff of a further education college who has reasonable

 

grounds for believing that a student at the college may have with him or

 

in his possession—

 

(a)    

an article to which section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988

 

(c. 33) applies (knives and blades etc.), or

 

(b)    

an offensive weapon (within the meaning of the Prevention of

 

Crime Act 1953),

 

    

may search that student or his possessions for such articles and weapons.

 

(2)    

A search under this section may be carried out only where—

 

(a)    

the member of the staff and the student are on the premises of the

 

college; or

 

(b)    

they are elsewhere and the member of the staff has lawful control

 

or charge of the student.

 

(3)    

A person may carry out a search under this section only if—

 

(a)    

he is the Principal of the college; or

 

(b)    

he has been authorised by the Principal to carry out the search.

 

(4)    

A person who carries out a search of a student under this section—

 

(a)    

may not require the student to remove any clothing other than

 

outer clothing;

 

(b)    

must be of the same sex as the student; and

 

(c)    

may carry out the search only in the presence of another person

 

who is aged 18 or over and is also of the same sex as the student.

 

(5)    

A student’s possessions may not be searched under this section except in

 

his presence and in the presence of a person (in addition to the person

 

carrying out the search) who is aged 18 or over.

 

(6)    

If a person who, in the course of a search under this section, finds—

 

(a)    

anything which he has reasonable grounds for suspecting falls

 

within subsection (1)(a) or (b), or

 

(b)    

any other thing which he has reasonable grounds for suspecting

 

is evidence in relation to an offence,

 

    

he may seize and retain it.

 

(7)    

A person who exercises a power under this section may use such force as

 

is reasonable in the circumstances for exercising that power.

 

(8)    

An authorisation for the purposes of subsection (3)(b) may be given

 

either in relation to a particular search or generally in relation to searches

 

under this section or to a particular description of such searches.


 
 

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(9)    

In this section—

 

‘outer clothing’ includes an outer coat, a jacket, gloves and a hat;

 

‘possessions’, in relation to a student of a college, includes any goods

 

over which he has or appears to have control.

 

(10)    

The powers conferred by this section are in addition to any powers

 

exercisable by the member of the staff in question apart from this section

 

and are not to be construed as restricting such powers.”.’.

 


 

Mr Humfrey Malins

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Mr Mark Prisk

 

Not called  1

 

Page  1,  line  6,  leave out clauses 1 to 11.

 


 

Mr Humfrey Malins

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Mr Mark Prisk

 

Not called  2

 

Page  2,  line  2  [Clause  1],  after ‘subject’s’, insert ‘knowingly’.

 

Mr Humfrey Malins

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Mr Mark Prisk

 

Not called  3

 

Page  2,  line  3  [Clause  1],  after ‘entering’, insert ‘, and attempting to purchase

 

alcohol in or consuming alcohol in,’.

 

Mr Humfrey Malins

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Mr Mark Prisk

 

Not called  4

 

Page  2,  line  4  [Clause  1],  leave out from beginning to end of line 8 and insert ‘any

 

premises, other than a private dwelling, for the purposes of purchasing or consuming

 

alcohol.’.

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

John Thurso

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Not selected  29

 

Page  2,  line  20  [Clause  1],  at end insert ‘or

 

(e)    

from fulfilling dietary requirements.’.


 
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