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order under this section that the authorisation shall be renewed

 

for a further period not exceeding 24 hours.”;

 

(b)    

for subsection (2), substitute—

 

“(2)    

A High Court judge may grant an application under subsection

 

(1) if satisfied that it is necessary for the prevention of acts of

 

terrorism for the authorisation to be renewed for a further period

 

not exceeding 24 hours.”;

 

(c)    

for subsection (3), substitute—

 

“(3)    

Where an authorisation has been given by a person listed in

 

section 44(4), the person who gives the authorisation, or applies

 

for renewal under subsection (1), shall inform the Secretary of

 

State as soon as is reasonably practicable and in any event within

 

24 hours.”;

 

(d)    

omit subsections (4), (5) and (7).’.

 


 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to on division  34

 

Page  1,  line  5  [Clause  1],  leave out subsection (1) and insert—

 

‘(A1)    

This section applies to a statement that is likely to be understood by members of

 

the public to whom it is published as a direct or indirect encouragement or other

 

inducement to them to the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of

 

terrorism or Convention offences.

 

(1)    

A person commits an offence if—

 

(a)    

he publishes a statement to which this section applies or causes another

 

to publish such a statement on his behalf; and

 

(b)    

at the time he does so, he intends the statement to be understood as

 

mentioned in subsection (A1) or is reckless as to whether or not it is

 

likely to be so understood.

 

(1A)    

For the purposes of this section the cases in which a person is to be taken as

 

reckless as to whether a statement is likely to be understood as mentioned in

 

subsection (A1) include any case in which he could not reasonably have failed to

 

be aware of that likelihood.’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

David Maclean

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  19

 

Page  1,  line  5  [Clause  1],  leave out subsection (1) and insert—

 

‘(A1)    

This section applies to a statement that is likely to be understood by members of

 

the public to whom it is published as a direct or indirect encouragement or other

 

inducement to them to the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of

 

terrorism or Convention offences.

 

(1)    

A person commits an offence if—

 

(a)    

he publishes a statement to which this section applies or causes another

 

to publish such a statement on his behalf; and


 
 

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(b)    

at the time he does so, he intends the statement to be understood as

 

mentioned in subsection (A1) or is reckless as to whether or not it is

 

likely to be so understood.

 

Mr John Denham

 

Helen Goodman

 

Jon Trickett

 

Richard Burden

 

Lynne Jones

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  14

 

Page  1,  line  6  [Clause  1],  leave out from ‘statement’ to end of line 7 on page 2 and

 

insert ‘, which may include the glorification of the commission or preparation (whether in

 

the past, in the future or generally) of acts of terrorism or Convention offences, or causes

 

another to publish a statement on his behalf; and

 

(b)    

at the time he does so he—

 

(i)    

knows or believes that members of the public to whom the

 

statement is addressed or is to be published will, or

 

(ii)    

is recklessly indifferent to the likelihood that such persons

 

would,

 

    

understand it as a direct or indirect encouragement or inducement to the

 

commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism or Convention

 

offences.’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

David Maclean

 

Not called  2

 

Page  1,  line  8  [Clause  1],  leave out paragraph (b) and insert—

 

‘(b)    

at the time he does so, he intends or is recklessly indifferent to the fact

 

that the publication will be understood as a direct or indirect

 

encouragement or inducement to the commission, preparation or

 

instigation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences.’.

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  21

 

Page  1,  line  9  [Clause  1],  leave out from ‘believes’ to end of line 10.

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not selected  22

 

Page  1,  line  12  [Clause  1],  leave out ‘or indirect encouragement or other

 

inducement’ and insert ‘provocation’.


 
 

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Mr Robert Marshall-Andrews

 

Alan Simpson

 

Jeremy Corbyn

 

Mrs Linda Riordan

 

John McDonnell

 

Mr Robert N. Wareing

 

Ms Katy Clark

 

Kelvin Hopkins

 

Dr Ian Gibson

 

Frank Dobson

 

Lynne Jones

 

Mrs Ann Cryer

 

Not called  64

 

Page  1,  line  14  [Clause  1],  at end insert ‘and

 

(c)    

either—

 

(i)    

he intends that the statement will have that effect, or

 

(ii)    

he is reckless as to whether the statement will have that effect

 

upon reasonable members of the public.’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

David Maclean

 

Mr Robert Marshall-Andrews

 

Alan Simpson

 

John McDonnell

 

Mrs Linda Riordan

 

Jeremy Corbyn

 

Mr Robert N. Wareing

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Negatived on division  3

 

Page  1,  line  15  [Clause  1],  leave out subsection (2).

 


 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  35

 

Page  2,  line  7  [Clause  1],  after ‘emulated’, insert ‘by them’.

 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  36

 

Page  2,  line  8  [Clause  1],  leave out from ‘questions’ to ‘must’ in line 10 and insert

 

‘how a statement is likely to be understood and what members of the public could

 

reasonably be expected to infer from it’.

 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  37

 

Page  2,  line  13  [Clause  1],  leave out ‘in which it is or is to be published’ and insert

 

‘of its publication’.

 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  38

 

Page  2,  line  14  [Clause  1],  leave out from ‘of’ to ‘relates’ in line 15 and insert

 

‘subsections (A1) to (2)—

 

(a)    

whether the statement or how it is likely to be understood,’.


 
 

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Mr John Denham

 

Helen Goodman

 

Jon Trickett

 

Richard Burden

 

Lynne Jones

 

Not called  15

 

Page  2,  line  14  [Clause  1],  leave out ‘subsections (1) and (2)’ and insert

 

‘subsection (1)’.

 


 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  39

 

Page  3,  line  18  [Clause  2],  leave out ‘as such an encouragement or other

 

inducement’.

 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  40

 

Page  3,  line  20  [Clause  2],  at end insert ‘as a direct or indirect encouragement or

 

other inducement to them to the commission, preparation or instigation of such acts.’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

David Maclean

 

Not called  4

 

Page  3,  line  21  [Clause  2],  leave out subsection (4).

 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  41

 

Page  3,  line  28  [Clause  2],  after ‘emulated’ insert ‘by him’.

 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  42

 

Page  3,  line  36  [Clause  2],  after ‘useful’ insert ‘to them’.

 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  43

 

Page  3,  line  43  [Clause  2],  leave out from beginning to ‘or’ in line 44 and insert—

 

‘(a)    

the statement or how it is likely to be understood,’.

 


 

Rob Marris

 

Lyn Brown

 

Not called  32

 

Page  4,  line  9  [Clause  2],  at end insert—

 

‘(8A)    

For the purposes of subsection 8(c), the publication, or part thereof, is to be

 

regarded as having the endorsement of a person (“the relevant person”) if—

 

(a)    

a constable has given him a notice under subsection (8B);


 
 

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(b)    

more than 2 days have elapsed after the day on which the notice was

 

given , not more than one of which shall be a weekend day or public

 

holiday; and

 

(c)    

the relevant person has failed, without reasonable excuse, to comply with

 

the notice.

 

(8B)    

A notice under this subsection is a notice which—

 

(a)    

declares that, in the opinion of the constable giving it, the publication is

 

unlawfully terrorism-related;

 

(b)    

requires the relevant person to secure that the publication, so far as it is

 

so related, is not available to the public or is modified so as no longer to

 

be so related;

 

(c)    

warns the relevant person that a failure to comply with the notice within

 

2 days will result in the publication being regarded as having his

 

endorsement; and

 

(d)    

explains how, under subsection (8C), he may become liable by virtue of

 

the notice if the publication becomes available to the public after he has

 

complied with the notice.

 

(8C)    

Where—

 

(a)    

a notice under subsection (8B) has been given to the relevant person in

 

respect of a publication, and he has complied with it, but

 

(b)    

he subsequently publishes or causes to be published a publication which

 

is, or is for all practical purposes, the same or to the same effect as the

 

publication to which the notice related, or to matter contained in the

 

article or record to which it related, (a “repeat publication”);

 

    

the requirements of subsection (8A)(a) to (c) shall be regarded as satisfied in the

 

case of the repeat publication in relation to the times of its subsequent publication

 

by the relevant person.’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

David Maclean

 

Not called  5

 

Page  4,  line  13  [Clause  2],  leave out from beginning to end of line 25 and insert—

 

‘(a)    

that the publication, so far as it contained matter by reference to which it

 

was a terrorist publication within the meaning of subsection 2(1) (apart

 

from the possibility of his having been given and failed to comply with a

 

notice under subsection 3(3) below) neither expressed his own view nor

 

had his endorsement; and

 

(b)    

that the conduct in relation to that publication was not intended by him to

 

constitute a direct or indirect encouragement or other inducement to the

 

commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism or to provide

 

or make available assistance to any person in the commission or

 

preparation of acts of terrorism.’.

 


 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  44

 

Page  5,  line  11  [Clause  3],  after ‘2’, insert ‘working’.


 
 

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Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  45

 

Page  5,  line  23  [Clause  3],  after ‘2’, insert ‘working’.

 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  46

 

Page  5,  line  45  [Clause  3],  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

In a case in which the service provided electronically by a person—

 

(a)    

consists only in transmitting or in storing information provided by others,

 

and

 

(b)    

does not involve any selection or exercise of other editorial control over

 

the whole or any part of the contents of what is transmitted or stored or

 

any independent selection of the persons to whom those contents are

 

transmitted,

 

    

the steps which it is reasonable for the purposes of subsection (5) for that person

 

to take do not include the monitoring of the contents of information transmitted

 

or stored by that person in the provision of that service or the taking of any other

 

steps to ascertain the contents of such information.’.

 


 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

David Maclean

 

Not called  6

 

Page  6,  line  15  [Clause  3],  leave out subsection (8).

 

Mr Secretary Clarke

 

Agreed to  47

 

Page  6,  line  22  [Clause  3],  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

In this section “working day” means any day other than—

 

(a)    

a Saturday or a Sunday;

 

(b)    

Christmas Day or Good Friday; or

 

(c)    

a day which is a bank holiday under the Banking and Financial Dealings

 

Act 1971 (c. 80) in any part of the United Kingdom.’.

 


 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Lynne Jones

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  24

 

Page  7,  line  36  [Clause  6],  leave out ‘suspects’ and insert ‘believes’.

 



 
 

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Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  25

 

Page  8,  line  12  [Clause  6],  leave out paragraph (b).

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not selected  26

 

Page  8,  line  19  [Clause  6],  leave out ‘method or technique for doing anything’ and

 

insert ‘substance or technology specified for the purposes of this subsection by the

 

Secretary of State by order’.

 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

David Maclean

 

Not selected  7

 

Page  8,  line  30  [Clause  6],  at end insert—

 

‘(4A)    

It shall be a defence to an offence under section 6(1), for the defendant to show

 

that he reported any suspicion to the police or in the case of an employee to his

 

employer or other person in authority over him.’.

 

Mr Mark Oaten

 

Mr Alistair Carmichael

 

Mr David Heath

 

Lynne Featherstone

 

Not called  27

 

Page  8,  line  46  [Clause  6],  leave out from ‘(c. 24)’ to end of line 49.

 


 

David Davis

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

David Maclean

 

Not selected  8

 

Page  10,  line  18  [Clause  8],  at end insert—

 

‘(7)    

It shall be a defence to an offence under this section for the defendant to show that

 

his attendance at any place used for terrorist training was—

 

(a)    

for the purpose of preventing the instruction or training taking place; or

 

(b)    

for the purpose of gathering information about the instruction or training;

 

or

 

(c)    

under duress.’.

 



 
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