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House of Commons

 
 

Tuesday 24th January 2006

 

Committee of the Whole House

 

Proceedings

 

Government of Wales Bill


 

[second DAY]


 

Clause No. 94 (Amendment to Schedule 5).

 

Another Amendment (No. 180) proposed, in page 51, line 26, after ‘Assembly’, insert

 

‘in which the number of Assembly members voting in favour of it is not less than two

 

thirds of the total number of Assembly seats’.—(Mr Dominic Grieve).

 

Question proposed, That the Amendment be made.

 

Withdrawn

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Not called  154

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  28,  after ‘approved’, insert ‘(i)’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Not called  155

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  29,  at end insert ‘or

 

(ii)    

has been laid before each House of Parliament and has been

 

approved by a resolution of the House of Commons, but has been

 

rejected by the House of Lords.

 

(5A)    

If subsection (5)(b)(ii) applies, the Order in Council shall not take affect until one

 

year has elapsed since the date on which the House of Commons came to the

 

resolution.’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Not called  27

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  29,  at end insert—

 

‘(5A)    

In the event of approval of a draft statutory instrument by the Assembly, as

 

specified in subsection (5)(a), but there not being within 60 days of that approval,

 

an approval by a resolution of each House of Parliament as specified in subsection

 

(5)(b), subsection (5) shall cease to have effect in the case of that draft statutory

 

instrument, and the procedure specified in subsection (5B) will then apply to that

 

draft statutory instrument.


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 24th January 2006  

252

 

Government of Wales Bill, continued

 
 

(5B)    

The procedure which will apply in cases specified in subsection (5A) will be that

 

no recommendation is to be made to Her Majesty in Council to make an Order in

 

Council under this section unless a draft of the statutory instrument containing the

 

Order in Council—

 

(a)    

has been laid before, and approved by a resolution of, the Assembly, and

 

(b)    

the resolution of the Assembly is passed on a vote in which the number

 

of Assembly members voting in favour of it is not less than two-thirds of

 

the total number of Assembly seats.’.

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Negatived on division  187

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  29,  at end insert—

 

‘(5A)    

Any draft of an Order in Council laid before Parliament under this section must

 

be accompanied by—

 

(a)    

a detailed memorandum setting out the scope of the proposal, its practical

 

effects on Wales and the legislative authority that would pass to the

 

National Assembly, and

 

(b)    

a draft of the proposed Assembly Measure.

 

(5B)    

Before an Order in Council is subject to a resolution of both Houses of

 

Parliament, the Secretary of State must make a motion to refer the draft of the

 

Order in Council, along with the draft Assembly Measure, to the Welsh Grand

 

Committee for consideration.

 

(5C)    

A report of the debate in the Welsh Grand Committee on the draft Order in

 

Council and Assembly Measure must have been available to both Houses of

 

Parliament for a period of not less than 60 days before any Order in Council is

 

made under this section.’.

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  211

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  29,  at end insert—

 

‘(5A)    

But subsection (5) is not satisfied unless the resolution of the Assembly is passed

 

on a vote in which the number of Assembly members voting in favour of it is not

 

less than two-thirds of the total number of Assembly seats.’.

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  212

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  29,  at end insert—

 

‘(5A)    

But subsection (5) is not satisfied unless, before the draft of the statutory

 

instrument containing the Order in Council has been approved by a resolution of

 

the House of Commons

 

(a)    

the Welsh Grand Committee has debated the draft, and

 

(b)    

the Welsh Affairs Committee has reported to the effect that it approves

 

the draft.’.


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 24th January 2006  

253

 

Government of Wales Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Adam Price

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Not called  122

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  38,  leave out ‘either’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Negatived on division  123

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  39,  leave out from ‘Parliament’ to end of line 1 on page 52.

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  181

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  39,  leave out from ‘Parliament’ to end of line 41.

 

Lembit Öpik

 

Mr Roger Williams

 

Mark Williams

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  53

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  40,  at beginning insert ‘if subsection (7A) applies,’.

 

Lembit Öpik

 

Mr Roger Williams

 

Mark Williams

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  54

 

Clause  94,  page  51,  line  41,  at end insert—

 

‘(7A)    

This subsection applies only if the Secretary of State has reason to believe that the

 

Assembly Measure made under the order—

 

(a)    

would have an adverse effect no any matter which is not specified in Part

 

1 of Schedule 5,

 

(b)    

might have a serious adverse impact on water resources in England,

 

water supply in England or the quality of water in England,

 

(c)    

would have an adverse impact on the law as it applies in England, or

 

(d)    

would be incompatible with any international obligation or the interests

 

of defence or national security.’.

 

Clause Agreed to on division.

 



 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 24th January 2006  

254

 

Government of Wales Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Withdrawn  28

 

Clause  95,  page  52,  line  11,  after ‘Counsel General’, insert ‘or the Assembly’.

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Withdrawn  188

 

Clause  95,  page  52,  line  11,  leave out ‘may’ and insert ‘must’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not selected  169

 

Clause  96,  page  52,  line  20,  after ‘General’, insert ‘if he is a member of the

 

Assembly’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Withdrawn  30

 

Clause  96,  page  52,  line  21,  at end insert ‘, or

 

(c)    

by any committee of the Assembly established under section 28 or

 

section 30.’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Withdrawn  170

 

Clause  97,  page  53,  line  5,  leave out subsection (2).

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  172

 

Clause  97,  page  53,  line  11,  at end insert ‘and’.


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 24th January 2006  

255

 

Government of Wales Bill, continued

 
 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  173

 

Clause  97,  page  53,  line  13,  leave out ‘and’.

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  171

 

Clause  97,  page  53,  line  14,  leave out paragraph (c).

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  174

 

Clause  97,  page  53,  line  22,  leave out from ‘Welsh’ to end of line 24.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Not called  29

 

Clause  98,  page  53,  line  44,  after ‘Counsel General’, insert ‘or the Assembly’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

Clause 99 Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Withdrawn  125

 

Clause  100,  page  54,  line  39,  leave out paragraph (a).

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Negatived on division  158

 

Clause  100,  page  54,  line  41,  leave out paragraph (b).


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 24th January 2006  

256

 

Government of Wales Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Not called  126

 

Clause  100,  page  54,  line  43,  leave out paragraph (c).

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  175

 

Clause  100,  page  54,  line  44,  after ‘England’, insert ‘and Wales’.

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  176

 

Clause  100,  page  55,  line  22,  leave out subsection (8) and insert—

 

‘(8)    

No order under this Section may be made unless a draft of the statutory

 

instrument containing the order has been laid before, and approved by a

 

resolution of, each House of Parliament.’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  177

 

Clause  101,  page  55,  line  25,  after ‘by’, insert ‘resolution of each House of

 

Parliament prior to their submission for approval by’.

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  178

 

Clause  101,  page  55,  line  27,  after ‘by’, insert ‘resolution of each House of

 

Parliament prior to its submission for approval by’.

 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Not called  179

 

Clause  101,  page  55,  line  37,  after ‘by’, insert ‘resolution of each House of

 

Parliament prior to its submission for approval by’.


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 24th January 2006  

257

 

Government of Wales Bill, continued

 
 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Mrs Cheryl Gillan

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Mundell

 

Mr Patrick McLoughlin

 

Mr Alan Williams

 

Negatived on division  189

 

Clause  102,  page  56,  line  24,  leave out subsection (3).

 

Dr Hywel Francis

 

Mr Martyn Jones

 

Not called  184

 

Clause  102,  page  56,  line  24,  leave out ‘that does not prevent the making of’.

 

Dr Hywel Francis

 

Mr Martyn Jones

 

Not called  185

 

Clause  102,  page  56,  line  25,  at end insert ‘may not be made in advance of two

 

further Assembly general elections.’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Withdrawn  31

 

Clause  102,  page  56,  line  25,  at end insert—

 

‘(3A)    

If a resolution passed by the Assembly under section 103 includes the text of the

 

question which the Assembly proposes should be included on the ballot paper at

 

the referendum, that text shall be included in any recommendation made to Her

 

Majesty in Council to make an Order in Council under subsection (1).’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Withdrawn  156

 

Clause  102,  page  56,  line  28,  after ‘Council’, insert ‘(a)’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Hywel Williams

 

Adam Price

 

Not called  157

 

Clause  102,  page  56,  line  29,  at end insert ‘or

 

(b)    

has been laid before each House of Parliament and the Assembly, has

 

been approved by a resolution of the House of Commons and of the

 

Assembly, but has been rejected by the House of Lords.

 

(4A)    

If subsection (4)(b) applies, the referendum shall not be held until one year has

 

elapsed since the date on which the House of Commons came to the resolution.’.


 
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