Select Committee on Environmental Audit Minutes of Evidence


Supplementary memorandum submitted by Rt Hon Alan Johnson MP, Secretary of State, Department for Trade and Industry

SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTIONS FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL AUDIT COMMITTEE

ENERGY REVIEW

  1.  What discussions specifically on the Energy Review have you, as Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, taken part in, and when?

    I have taken part in numerous discussions on energy policy, including more recently the Energy Review, with a range of stakeholders, including the EAC.

  2.  Does the Government intend to publish more detailed terms of reference for the Energy Review than those released on 29 November 2005? If so, when?

    The Terms of Reference for the Review were those published on 29 November.

  3.  The terms of reference dated 29 November 2005 appear to distinguish between the Review itself and the role of the Review Team in "informing the review". Can you set out what specific outputs will result from (a) the review and (b) the work of the Review Team, and when these outputs can be expected?

    I will answer (a) and (b) together, as it certainly was not intended that the Terms of Reference should distinguish between the Review and the role of the Review team.

    A consultation will be launched in the new year, with a statement of current evidence on the Energy White Paper goals and the Government's plans for engagement with the public and stakeholders. The ultimate output of the Review will be Government publication of proposals on energy policy next year.

  4.  Could you please provide a list of members of the Review Team, with information on their positions and backgrounds? Could you also provide the remit or terms of reference for the Review Team?

    The cross-departmental Review team (led by Energy Minister Malcolm Wicks) will be based in DTJ with secondees from DEFRA, Department for Transport, HM Treasury and the Prime Minister's Strategy Unit. In addition there will be input from ODPM and FCO. The devolved administrations and territorial departments are already involved and will continue to be involved throughout the course of the Review.

    The remit and Terms of Reference for the Review team are:

    The Government will review the UK's progress against the medium and long-term Energy White Paper goals and the options for further steps to achieve them. The aim will be to bring forward proposals on energy policy next year.

    The Review will be informed by analysis and options drawn up by a Review team led by the Energy Minister Malcolm Wicks. This will be a team of officials drawn from key relevant departments and the Prime Minister's Strategy Unit. In drawing up the analysis and options, the Energy Minister will undertake extensive public and stakeholder consultation. The Review will be taken forward in the context of the Government's commitment to sound public finances and will take account of all short-term, medium-term and long-term costs and liabilities both to the taxpayer and energy user. The Review team will report to the Prime Minister and the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry in early summer.

  5.  Will the Review seek to go beyond analysing and assessing performance against the objectives and targets set in the Energy White Paper by considering possible changes to the policy and regulatory framework?

    As stated in the Terms of Reference, the Government will review the UK's progress against the medium and long-term Energy White Paper goals and the options for further steps to achieve them.

  6.  What will the "formal consultation phase" to begin in January focus on, given the fact that the Review itself will not be concluded until early summer?

    As stated above, a formal consultation will be launched in the new year, with a statement of current evidence on the Energy White Paper goals and the Government's plans for engagement with the public and stakeholders.

  7.  Can you provide an assurance that any conclusions reached by the Review will be subject to full public and stakeholder consultation after the Review has reported, and that any future White Paper would fully take into account the results of such consultation?

    Stakeholder and public engagement will play an important role throughout the Review. As appropriate, there will be stake holder and public engagement on implementation of the Review conclusions.

NUCLEAR:  PLANNING AND LICENSING ISSUES

  8.  In your evidence, you stated that—including licensing and planning—it would take between 15 and 17 years for a nuclear plant to be built (Q668-669). On the basis of present licensing and planning arrangements, do you therefore accept that 2021 would be the earliest that a new nuclear plant could become operational?

    There are many factors that affect the construction lead times for new energy infrastructure, especially nuclear. It is therefore difficult to make definitive predictions, and the Review will be examining what other countries such as the USA have done to enhance their licensing and consents process for energy infrastructure projects.

    For the most recently constructed nuclear power station in the UK, Sizewell B, it took l4 years from the application for planning consent to the plant commissioning. On that basis (and without any change to licensing and planning arrangements) a new nuclear plant might be operational by 2019-20. It should be stressed again that no decision has been taken to encourage nuclear new build and that this is an issue for the energy review.

  9.  Could you please set out what specific licensing and planning processes an application for a new nuclear power plant would currently have to go through, the licenses and authorisations involved, the order in which they are undertaken, and the timescales the DTI considers each stage would take?

    A number of different consents are required in order to build and operate a nuclear power station, with various responsibilities split between the Nuclear Installations Inspectorate, the Environment Agency (and Scottish Environment Protection Agency as appropriate), the Office of Civil Nuclear Security and my Department:

    —  A nuclear site licence under the Nuclear Installations Act 1965 (NIA 1965) (HSF/NII).

    —  An approved nuclear security plan under the Nuclear industries Security Regulations 2003 (OCNS).

    —  Radioactive discharge authorisation under the Radioactive Substances Act 2003

    (RSA 1993) (EA/SEPA).

    —  Non-Radioactive discharge consents under the Pollution Prevention and Control (England and Wales) Regulations 2000 and the Pollution Prevention and Control (Scotland) Regulations 2000 (FA/SEPA).

    —  Approvals for water abstractions and discharges to controlled waters under the Environment Act 1991 (EA/SEPA).

    —  Waste management licences under the Waste Management Licensing Regulations for non-radioactive waste (EA/SEPA).

    —  Consent under section 36 and 37 of the Electricity Act 1989 (EA 1989) (DTI, Scottish Ministers).

    —  Electricity generation licence under section 6 of the Electricity Act 1989 (OFGEM - in Scotland after consultation with Scottish Ministers).

    In the case of new designs which involve practices not either already carried on or justified, justification under the Euratom Basic Standards Directive 96/29 (as implemented by the Justification of Practices Involving lonising Radiation Regulations[34] (DTI, Scottish Ministers, Welsh Assembly, as appropriate).

  10.  When asked what practical measures the Government could take to facilitate nuclear, you suggested that you "could get moving with pre-licensing pretty quickly and save about three years on the timescale if you were going down this route." (Q668). Could you set out in detail what would be involved in such a proposal, how this would affect the timetable (as set out in response to the previous question), and whether you have asked the relevant authorities to consider such a change?

    There are ways in which the timescale can be contracted whilst still ensuring proper scrutiny, however there is no internationally agreed definition of pre-licensing—at this early stage of the Energy Review we are not in a position to be able to comment what a pre-licensing scheme might constitute in the UK and how it would relate to the other consents that need to be obtained for a new nuclear power station. No requests have been made to any of the regulators to change the way they issue the relevant consents for nuclear installations.

    But by way of example, I understand that recently commissioned new reactors in Finland and France are expected to take roughly 10 years between their initial project proposals and their coming into service.

  11.  Has the DTI considered any other practical steps which the Government could take in relation to licensing and planning to facilitate and shorten these processes? If so, please provide details.

    The Government has committed to examining all the options for helping the UK to meet its medium and long-term energy objectives. An assessment of current licensing and planning regimes that impact on investment in energy infrastructure will be apart of this examination.

  12.  Would pre-licensing (see Q1O above) or any other initiatives (see Q 11 above) require any statutory changes to the current licensing and planning arrangements?

    The Government has committed to examining a number of options during the Review. Because we are at such an early period of the Review, the Government has not yet made any formal assessments of the needfor legislation for the individual options that will be under consideration in the Review.

NUCLEAR:  INVESTMENT RISK

  13.  In the evidence you gave to the Committee, you stated that "giving the green light" to nuclear, or "going down the nuclear route" would not involve any form of Government financial support. Apart from possible changes to planning and licensing processes, are there any other practical steps which the Government might take to reduce the risks to investors which are associated with nuclear new build? Has the DTI given any consideration to what these might be?

    There are various measures which could encourage low carbon generation (which might include nuclear new build), These will be considered further as part of the Energy Review analysis.

  14.  Do you accept that there are ongoing revenue risks associated with investment in new nuclear, and that some form of long-term contract or assurance on the purchase of nuclear energy would be required if such investment is to take place? To what extent does the DTI consider that there may need to be possible changes to the structure of the electricity market to facilitate this, and how far are long-term contracts compatible with liberalised markets?

    Revenue risks will be one of the elements we will look at as part of our analysis of different generation technologies in the context of the Energy Review.

OTHER FOLLOW-UP ISSUES

  15.  You promised to provide supplementary information on a number of topics:

  (a)  when the Government would clarify its interpretation of the Large Combustion Plant Directive (LCPD).

    I am pleased to say that since my appearance before the Committee, we have let industry and other stakeholders know how Government intents to implement LCPD in the UK. In light of stakeholder requests for certainty, the UK Government intends to submit a National Plan to the Commission based on the combined approach and a "Plant= Windshield" definition by the end of February 2006. We are also extending the opt-in deadline to 3 February this will allow a little more time to those companies to make their decisions in light of the UK decision to implement on a "Plant= Windshield" basis. In light of the Commission`s commitment and interpretation of the combined approach we are also giving plants the option, to reconsider whether they want to be under National Emission Reduction Plan (NERP) or apply Emission Limit Values (ELV). If they want to swap from their existing preference they must let government know by 3 February. We believe that this decision by the Government delivers the certainty industry need to make their investment decisions.

  (b)  what analysis, if any, the DTI has undertaken on the carbon emissions associated with nuclear. In particular, the Committee understands that the nuclear industry is itself concerned about the availability of uranium supplies after 2015, and that the use of lower-grade ores might result in very large increases in carbon emissions. The issue of nuclear life-cycle carbon emissions would therefore seem to be important.

    These are important issues which will need to be considered as part of the Review's analysis of how different technologies could help us meet our Energy White Paper goals.

    DTI has not carried out a review of the life cycle carbon emissions from nuclear, but there are a number of studies which have done this, which will help inform our analysis.

    In response to the particular question of uranium supplies, DTI has undertaken no studies to examine the impact that lower grade uranium ores would make on carbon dioxide emissions. However, the OECD Nuclear Energy Agency has informed the Department that there is no imminent use of low-grade ore envisioned. And, the nature of the ores to be mined in the near future is very much similar to that of the past 40 years. As l said at the time of the oral evidence session, this is an issue for consideration in the review.

  (c)  the total funding available for the Low Carbon Building Programme in relation to the funding available under the previous programmes which it replaces. The Committee would also like to know why the DTl restricted the LCBP to three years after initially indicating that it would be a 6 year programme; and when the first funding round under the LCBP will take place.

    Between 2000-06 this Government has committed £53.5 million to funding small-scale renewable installations. This money was split between three programmes as outlined below.

    —  £10 million has funded PV field trials through a domestic scale programme and a large-scale programme. This programme has run since 2000.

    —  £31 million funded the Major PVdemonstrati on programme which has run since 2002 and has currently provided grants to 1,735 projects.

    —  £12.5 million was allocated to the Clear Skies Initiative for household and community renewables projects. This programme has provided grants to 6,434 schemes since 2003.

    Both the Major PV demonstration programme and the Clear Skies Initiative will end in March 2006, by which time all funds will be allocated, and will be replaced by the Low Carbon Buildings Programme (LCBP), which has £30 million of funds to allocate (although £1.5 million will be brought forward as explained below) over three years between 2006-09. Although the original consultation proposed a six year programme, when the level of available funding was confirmed we decided that it would be better to spread the money over three years to keep the spend per year at a similar level to that provided by the existing programmes. Further funding allocations will be subject to the Comprehensive Spending Review.

    The LCBP will be designed to take a holistic approach to reducing carbon emissions by using innovative combinations of microgeneration technologies and energy efficiency measures.

    As well as continuing to fund single installations the programme will focus on supporting large scale developments in the public and private sectors to act as exemplars and encourage further projects. Potential community beneficiaries could include schools, leisure centres or even remote villages that are not connected to the grid Other projects could include housing estates or business parks. The focus on larger developments is designed to engage the construction sector more widely and to help push microgeneration products further down the road towards commercial viability.

    We aim to have the LCBP in place by April 2006, which would mean that there would not be a significant gap between existing programmes ending and the new programme beginning. At the moment we anticipate having the first call under this programme in April 2006, subject to EU State Aids clearance. But, in order to ensure a smooth transition, we are bringing forward £1.5 million to be split equally between the Major PV programme and Clear Skies.

    Given that our various support schemes started at different times it is difficult to calculate a true average spend Overall, between February 2000 and March 2006, £55 million will have been spent, which averages out at £9.2 million per year. Whereas the LCBP will actually provide £9.5 million per year.

    It is important to note that capital grant schemes are not the only means by which we can promote microgeneration technologies. We are currently developing a strategy for the promotion of microgeneration that will address the barriers preventing widespread take-up of these technologies and will help the development of a sustainable market.

20 December 2005



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