Select Committee on Committee on the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Bill Minutes of Evidence


Sections 80-99

1 NOVEMBER 2005

 80. In 1999 Westminster Council challenged us regarding street trading issues; the case was dropped. In 1999 the Crown, or Public Carriage Office, prosecuted a rider for illegally plying for hire of a Hackney Carriage at Bow Street Magistrates' Court. The case was dismissed and it was not appealed by either the Crown or the London Taxi Drivers' Association. In 2000 we had our first meeting with the GLA, with Jenny Jones, who is a Green Party member, and we urged her to make representations to regulate the industry, which had started to proliferate. In 2001, with no licensing or regulatory framework in place, the market became a free-for-all. Bugbugs put together a strategy for regulation and presented the strategy to the PCA, the GLA, Westminster Council, the Police and TfL, urging them to act without delay to ensure the responsible development of the industry rather than allow the lowest common denominator scenario to ensue, which obviously is going to happen in an unregulated market.

 81. Derek Turner, the then MD of TfL, responded in a very positive manner - and, remember, this is 2001. Transport for London then commissioned transport research laboratories to carry out a study of the industry. We have, to date, been denied a copy of this report, even though we were instrumental in the initiative and spent some considerable time assisting TfL in making it pertinent and representative. In 2003, the London Taxi Drivers' Association made a private prosecution against Bugbugs and two riders for illegally privatised Hackney Carriages and for soliciting. The case was dismissed by London Bridge Magistrates' Court. In 2003, the London Taxi Drivers' Association appealed the decision of the High Court. The Queen's Bench conclusion was that all charges, again, were dismissed. In 2003, Transport for London again commissioned a report, this time from Sinclair Knight consultants to prepare a further report on the industry as a precursor to regulations. Again, despite considerable contributions from Bugbugs we have been denied a copy of this report as well. 2004, the London Taxi Drivers' Association were refused leave to appeal to the House of Lords.

 82. Over this period of six years no measures have been taken by either Westminster Council, the Public Carriage Office, Transport for London or the GLA because it seems they were all taking the view that the London Taxi Drivers' Association would do the job for them and finish it off in the courts. In 2004 the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Bill was drafted with Section 4, pedicabs, and this was being promoted by Westminster Council and not TfL. A senior member of Transport for London, who I spoke to at the time, Peter Hendy, indicated to me at that time that Westminster Council had decided to go it alone on this issue and that the TfL should have been involved but were not included. It was indicated to me that this would have been far more appropriate for this to be a TfL Bill because they are responsible for transport matters in London. In 2004 the promoters were asked to redraft the Bill by the Department of Transport because parts of it were unacceptable, i.e. it initially started by defining pedicabs as motor vehicles.

 83. In 2004 we established the voluntary association, the London Pedicab Operators' Association, which has been talked about already today. We have tried to bring together the entire industry in an initiative to encourage self­regulation. The key objectives have already been pointed out; I will not go through that with you again. Obviously, this is a voluntary group and it is extremely difficult for us to force anybody to enrol in this organisation. We estimate we have about 50 per cent of the members and the bikes involved in the LPOA, as has already been mentioned, and we are making strenuous efforts to control the industry. So we have management groups out every night to ensure compliance with the rider code of conduct and we do withdraw people's leases, depending on the offence basically. I will perhaps go through them a little bit later when we get to the GLA report. Incidentally, do all Members of the Committee have a copy of the GLA report?

 84. CHAIRMAN: No, we have not.

 85. MR SMALLWOOD: Did the Promoters receive them?

 86. MR LEWIS: I received them, but I did not know they were for the Committee.

 87. CHAIRMAN: Are you referring to the report of the Secretary of State for Transport?

 88. MR SMALLWOOD: No, I am not. I am talking about the Greater London Authority Report which I sent to the Promoters for distribution to the Committee. I am sorry you have not had the chance to read that report, but I can summarise it. I will be able to summarise that, verbatim, in a moment. In 2004 the LPOA submitted a further strategy to the Public Carriage Office, the Association for London Governments, Transport for London and the GLA. In 2004 the Transport Committee of the GLA commissioned a cross­party report on the industry chaired by Murad Qureshi, who is the Chairman of the GLA Transport Committee. This was published in early 2005 and that is the report which you have just received. Just a little bit about the industry. Bugbugs is a non­profit company limited by guarantee with clear environmental and social objectives. There are now about 15 other companies. We are not sure of the number of pedicabs because many of the pedicab operators will not identify themselves to us or anybody else. All pedicabs approved by Bugbugs and the LTDA have been specifically designed for carrying passengers and are manufactured by reputable and experienced companies. They carry passengers on short emission­free journeys in congested inner city areas.

 89. A vibrant market has been created and this really would not have happened unless there was a strong demand for this mode of transport. The safety record is good. One of the earlier witnesses alluded to the safety record, that there was no evidence put forward about safety issues with pedicabs in terms of accidents and incidents on the road. Whilst, of course, in the transport industry it is inevitable that there will be knocks, bumps and scrapes certainly nobody has ever been killed in a pedicab in the UK, or indeed, we think, anywhere in the world, outside perhaps the Far East.

 90. Pedicabs have a small footprint and therefore can be accommodated easily on streets otherwise congested with motor traffic. Pedicabs have a right to be on the streets and must clearly be distinguished from motor vehicles. The industry, as a whole, has strong social environmental outputs. The pedicabs enhance safety on the streets by having a friendly presence, by being mobile information posts and being connected with people on the streets. There is considerable interest and many positive initiatives by other local authorities, both in London and countrywide. As a matter of interest we have just done a pilot project with one local authority, which has been very successful, and I think they are going to continue and start an operation themselves. We have done a lot of work with other tourism organisations, including Visit London, and many other Blue Chip companies wishing to associate themselves with this new and colourful addition to the streets of London and potentially UK-wide.

 91. The industry worldwide is growing fast; a large operation has just been launched in Sydney. The USA now has over 2,000, Europe about the same and there are probably around 500 operating in the UK now. It is expected this is set to grow in London and elsewhere, so therefore regulation is needed on an urgent basis. The industry makes a small but nevertheless significant contribution to CO2 reduction and reduced reliance on fossil fuels.

 92. We estimate that over a million journeys are now made per annum in London alone using pedicabs. The GLA Transport Committee Report, just to précis that a little bit. The purpose of drafting a legal framework to incorporate the activity of pedicabs must be to give Londoners confidence when they use licensed pedicabs and an assurance they are dealing with an honest, professional organisation with reliable riders and safe vehicles. This Bill will make no headway whatsoever in achieving this objective. On the contrary, it will give the public a full sense of security and I am making no reference whatsoever to the basic requirements such as insurance, training, type approval, maintenance, rider licensing, accountability and the need for a business to be fit and proper in all respects.

 93. The Bill does not seek to regulate pedicabs, merely to make them liable for bus lanes, parking and other road traffic conventions: i.e. simply a definition and registration scheme to allow pedicab riders and operators to be identified to facilitate collection of fines. The GLA Transport Committee Report broadly supports our case and it comes up with the following conclusions. These conclusions are verbatim from the Report that you have in front of you. The pedicabs are a welcome and colourful edition to the streetscape of London. The pedicabs should not be forced from the relative safety of the bus lanes. There was a case on Blackfriars Bridge at the end of last year, where a cyclist was killed where a cycle lane had been sited between the bus lane and the mainstream traffic. Pedicabs must reach certain safety and insurance requirements. There should be control over numbers. The Committee does not support a ban on pedicabs. The Committee supports the view that pedicab riders need to be liable for parking enforcement. However, before any such enforcement is acted upon, local authorities, TfL and pedicab operators need to establish pedicab ranks where riders could legally ply for hire and places where customers could reliably find a pedicab. The Transport Committee supports the view that the pedicab industry needs to be regulated and legislation is tabled soon. This was January this year.

 94. I would like to point out, at this stage, that Graham Rivett, who is one of the members of the LPOA did have a meeting with Martin Low about this issue and was told quite flatly at the end of this that nothing would be done with regard to any parking consent whatever until such a time as regulation was in. You can imagine if this Bill goes through as is then Transport for London will have a very, very hard time in negotiating particularly with Westminster Council in terms of trying to obtain any sort of rank space. So the key recommendations of the report were, Recommendation number 1: that the proposed Bill be amended to ensure that pedicabs are not subject to fines, should they be required to use bus lanes. Recommendation number two: the LPOA to include as part of their training the need for riders to avoid the bus lanes where possible and, where not, to pull over and allow buses to pass. Recommendation number 3: the pedicab operators are treated as vehicle hire firms so that the riders are liable for parking and other road traffic offences. Recommendation number 4: the Transport Committee recommends that part of the licensing should be conditional upon operators providing certain levels of training for their riders, specifically agreed models, management of riders to ensure that riders can be tracked down and made to pay fines and operators/owner-operators hold third party public liability insurance. The final recommendation: the Transport Committee recommends that any future regulation of the industry would include powers for Transport for London to impose restrictions on both the areas of operation and the number of licenses issued to pedicab operators. Sir, a very brief summary and then I will move on to the key issues.

 95. MR AUSTIN: Can you repeat the fifth point about restriction on numbers?

(Mr Low) The final recommendation number 5, the Transport Committee recommends that any future regulation of the industry would include powers for Transport for London to impose restrictions on both the areas of operation and the number of licenses issued to pedicab operators.

 96. So the summary to date. The legal position of pedicabs, the definition of mode of operation of pedicabs in Greater London, i.e. the ability to ply for hire in any public street, road or place in London as stage carriages, provided that they charge separate distinct fares, as defined by the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act 1869, has been established in the High Court. Westminster Council, being the promoters of the Bill, have had no consultation whatsoever with the industry. All the relevant authorities have been consistently lobbied by Bugbugs to persuade them to initiate a regulatory framework. Bugbugs and the LPOA have submitted various strategies which would be appropriate, practical and effective to address our serious concerns about the lack of regulation and the potential for the industry to fall into disrepute. There have been robust campaigns by other transport industry sectors, including expensive litigation and shameless attempts to discredit and crush the industry. The media, however, have remained positive towards the industry whilst also recognising the need for appropriate regulation.

 97. The alleged purpose of the Bill is to provide the foundations for subsequent regulation by Transport for London. However, we believe that there is an entirely different agenda, which is highly likely to damage or even destroy the industry. The focus on the bill has been to try and make the activities of pedicabs fit clumsily under existing legislation rather than to be innovative in drafting new and appropriate legislation in consultation with the industry and other stakeholders. It is therefore a very blunt instrument, and if passed into law it would severely prejudice Transport for London's ability to draft a licensing regime which will work for all stakeholders. By redefining a pedicab as proposed, as the promoters said, it could represent a serious problem for the industry and could open up the industry to further litigation. If I might read from the petition it would be of help. Clause 17, as it provides a definition of a pedicab contrary to current rulings, your Petitioner believes that pedicabs come within the definition of stage carriage in the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act of 1869. As a result pedicabs are not subject to regulation because such regulations relating to stage carriages were repealed by Parliament. There have been two prosecutions by the Public Carriage Office and the London Taxi Drivers Association to challenge this view. In each case, and in an appeal at the High Court, it was held that pedicabs, cycles propelled by pedal power, which charge passengers separate and distinct fares, are stage carriages, pursuant to the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act 1869. As a result, pedicabs are not subject to regulation because regulations relating to stage carriages were repealed by Parliament. The reason why this clause, "Meaning of 'pedicab' and related expressions" is a problem, is as follows. As explained above, it has already been established in the High Court in the case of Bugbugs Limited that a pedicab is classified as a stage carriage, pursuant to the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act 1869. The definition of this stage carriage should be reflected in the meaning of a pedicab under this clause, to avoid pedicabs coming within the definition of an unlicensed Hackney Carriage. I do not want to get too technical here but if at some stage the Committee would like to have copies of the High Court ruling then I can provide that; I have it here if anyone would like a copy of it. But I did not think that anyone wanted to go through that today. In the Bill's definition of a pedicab, a pedicab should therefore be described as a cycle, referred to as a pedicab, which is propelled by pedal power, for the purposes of carrying one or more passengers for hire and reward in Greater London, and in which passengers are charged separate and distinct fares. This would avoid the problems of pedicabs becoming unlicensed Hackney Carriages, and by being described as a "cycle" a pedicab would therefore be subject to the legislation affecting cycles and cyclists and not motor vehicles.

 98. This is very important because if this goes through with this description the law is very precise, as we all know, and court decisions are based on what the law actually says and not what the legislators meant to say. This was a very strong argument in the High Court, that the prosecutors were saying, "What the legislators meant to say was this," whereas in fact they did not say it. It is our view that the decision arrived at in the High Court must stand, i.e. the description of these pedicabs. It cannot be right to ignore those definitions and the modus operandi of the business. It cannot be right to redraft legislation without referring to existing law. Since Transport for London are responsible for taxis, private hire, buses, et cetera, then it must be up to them to draft new and appropriate legislation by repealing old references in law and replacing them, indeed utilising the basis of a licensing regime. This Bill will almost certainly unintentionally put the industry in jeopardy of further action. We live in a litigious world, and having won one case in the Magistrates' Court very similar charges were brought again, and then up to the High Court, and our big fear is that with a completely different definition of a pedicab, i.e. that it is not a stage carriage, then this could open up the way for interested parties to take further litigation, which would not be right.

 99. By registering the pedicabs Transport for London will give Westminster Council carte blanche to pursue riders for parking fines. Westminster Council is likely to be very aggressive with enforcement and the pedicabs could be driven from the streets overnight. The Committee will be aware that to challenge any parking fine is extremely difficult and sometimes an intimidating process. Parking fines are currently limited to motor vehicles registered at the DVLC. To bring the pedicabs into legislation that was designed for motor vehicles would be totally unjust. Without any appropriate places to stop or park their ability to do business will be severely prejudiced; in short, they will not be able to park anywhere, which, clearly for a human powered vehicle, represents a serious health hazard. We have tried, with Westminster Council, to find areas which would be acceptable for them to stand, and nothing has been forthcoming whatsoever. We need to be satisfied that registration with Transport for London, which is essential for accountability - this really is important - will not bring the pedicabs into Clause 21 for the purposes of parking or bus lanes or any other moving traffic offence. Pedicab riders should be and already are subject to the same moving traffic regulations as are applicable to cyclists. Pedicabs must be able to use all the road facilities, such as bus and cycle lanes, which are there to protect vulnerable and slow moving traffic, unless there are some specific problems, for example bus lanes that are for buses only.


 
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