Select Committee on Public Accounts Minutes of Evidence


Supplementary memorandum submitted by the Department of Trade and Industry

Question 31 (Sadiq Khan): The last time 6000 employees were made redundant at one company

  We have reviewed comparable large scale redundancies over recent years. From this it appears that, in recent times, MG Rover was the largest mass redundancy at a single plant by some margin.

  Larger numbers of employees were made redundant by British Coal for example in the years 1983-04—17,805  1985-86—30,095  1986-87—27,131  1987-88—16,800 1993-94—21,300 but these will have typically been spread over a number of different pits

  From our research, we believe the last time a single site saw a closure resulting in a loss of 6,000 jobs or more was when British Steel closed the Shotton steelworks in 1980.

  Of course, neither British Steel not British Coal went into receivership like MG Rover so it is difficult to draw a direct comparison with 2005, as the redundant workers in these instances did receive some support from the companies.

Question 38 (Mr Sadiq Khan): Additional information on the re-employment of former Rover workers

  The rates at which all jobseekers recorded by West Midlands Jobcentre Plus: a) stopped claiming JSA from March 2005; and b) returned to work, compared with the outcomes and projected estimates for MG Rover workers are shown below:

From date of claim Birmingham District and Solihull West RegionMidlands MG Rover estimates1MG Rover actuals[7]
Stopped claiming JSAReturned to work2 Stopped claiming JSAReturned to work[8] Returned to workReturned to work
Up to 13 weeks48%41% 65%55%20% 29%
Up to 26 weeks70%60% 78%66%50% 46%
Up to 52 weeks89%76% 93%79%75% 73%[9]





  The estimate in July 2005 (Closure of MG Rover—Economic Impact Assessment—Interim Report, Regeneris Consulting, July 2005) was that, taking into account the outline support package in preparation at the time, 75% of MG Rover and supplier workers would be back in work within 18 months. This was based on the assumption that even with this additional support many would move out of unemployment more slowly than `an average group of all jobseekers.'

  After an initial slow start up the projected figure at 52 weeks (mid April 2006) is now 73%, which is close to the average. The reasons for the initial slower movement our of unemployment have been well documented and outlined in the Regeneris Economic Impact Report commissioned by the MG Rover Task Force.

    —  MG Rover employees lived in a concentrated area within South West Birmingham and outlying districts;

    —  Lack of notice to enable workers to come to terms with job loss and to plan for the future;

    —  Shock and the need for time to get over it;

    —  Lack of knowledge about the labour market and how employers recruit;

    —  Time required to put an extensive programme of training in place.

  The unprecedented scale and circumstances of the closure at Longbridge made it difficult for Jobcentre Plus to estimate the comparative speed at which workers would cease claiming JSA. A study prepared for the then Department for Education and Employment[10] in 1996 looked at five case studies of large-scale redundancies. This study found that at the time of the survey, on average 23 months later, 20% of people were unemployed. More recent national data on the rate at which workers in major redundancies go into new jobs are limited to the standard tracking period of 13 weeks after redundancy and show that 22% are known to be in new jobs after 13 weeks.

Question 149 (Mr Richard Bacon): Fees charges by the Administrators

  1.  At the time the fees were confirmed DTI did a check on the fees and the hours and concluded that they were not at odds with what might be expected or considered reasonable in the circumstances. We have reviewed this since the PAC hearing and the results of a comparison with another large administration in 2005 are shown below. The figures support the original conclusion regarding the fees for PwC.

  2.  The administration of the MG Rover Group of companies has been the largest insolvency (in terms of the number of employees affected) and one of the most complex in the UK for a number of years. It is therefore extremely difficult to make meaningful comparisons between the remuneration charged by the administrators of the MG Rover Group with that charged by insolvency practitioners in other insolvencies.

  3.  Insolvency legislation, seeks as far as possible, to leave the agreement of the remuneration to be paid to administrators and other insolvency office-holders (eg liquidators) with the creditors. Where this does not happen the office-holder may have recourse to statutory scale fees (in bankruptcies and liquidations) or apply to the court to fix their remuneration (in administrations).

  4.  The basis for fixing the administrators' remuneration is set by legislation[11] as a percentage of the value of the property that the administrators have to deal with, or by reference to the time properly given by the administrators and their staff dealing with the administration. The creditors determined that the remuneration of the administrators of the MG Rover Group of companies should be fixed on a time-cost basis.

  5.  Statement of Insolvency Practice 9[12] (Remuneration of insolvency office-holders) sets out the information that administrators are required to provide to the creditors when seeking the approval of their remuneration, including the charge out rate for the various grades engaged in the assignment where the administrators remuneration is on a time-cost basis. The Statement includes a suggested format for production of information so that those receiving requests can make ready comparisons between cases and an informed assessment of each application. The request for approval is sent to the creditor (or other approving body). It is not required to be filed with the Registrar of Companies.

  6.  Administrators are required[13] to send creditors a progress report every six moths that includes an abstract of their receipts and payments account. A copy of the report is filed with the Registrar of Companies.

  7.  In the case of the receipts and payments accounts filed in the MG Rover Group of companies the amounts paid to the administrators in the 6 months from their appointment to 7 October 2005 (the only one due and available) show payments totally £6.6 million, of which it is understood £1.2 million was incurred in the first week.

  8.  In terms of the number of employees, other recent large administrations have been that of the Allders Department Store group (involving about 2,300 employees) and Courts Plc (1,200 employees). In those cases the administrators, who were partners in Kroll and KPMG respectively received the following remuneration during the periods given below:

Company/AdministratorPeriod Remuneration paid £ million
Allders (Kroll)27.01.05—26.07.05 £2.7
Courts (KPMG)30.11.04—30.05.05 £3


  Data is not available as to how much was drawn in the immediate week or so following the administrations. Note the amounts in the table represent the amounts paid to the administrators for the period, which do not necessarily equate to the time costs incurred.

  9.  The charge-out rates of Kroll and KPMG compared to those of PricewaterhouseCoopers were as follows:
GradeKroll @ 01.01.05 KPMG @ 01.01.05PwC @ 11.04.05
£ per hour £ per hour £per hour
Partner/Director425 475-540425
Associate Partner/Director395 N/AN/A
Senior Manager350390 320
Manager325310 247
Experienced senior270 N/AN/A
Senior240220 N/A
Administrator/Executive185 170157-200
AnalystN/AN/A 137
Support staff75-125 10068


  10.  Whilst as indicated above it is very difficult to make meaningful comparisons between the remuneration charged between administrations, particularly when the companies operate in different sectors, the charge-out rates of PwC insolvency professionals and staff in the MG Rover Group appear comparable with those of Kroll in Allders Department Stores and KPMG in Courts Plc.

Question 153 (Kitty Ussher): Breakdown of the costs of the loan to the administrator

  On Sunday 10 April, the Department agreed to pay the operating costs for keeping MG Rover and Powertrain operational for one week. These costs were estimated at £6.5 million and this amount was paid as two separate loans of approximately £5.2 million to MG Rover and £1.3 million to Powertrain. In the event not all of this money was needed and as a consequence approximately £1.3 million was repaid to the Department. The following table sets out in broad terms the costs and the grounds for the subsequent repayment.

  Table of costs for w/e 15 April 2005 to which the loan to the administrators was applied (figures are £000s)
MG Rover PowertrainTotals
Employee CostsGross wages 1,3344321,766
Gross salaries1,003 2251,228
General operating expensesUtilities 772097
ICT139 108247
Site maintenance61 2687
Production143 0143
Professional costsAdministrators' time costs 1,0361451,181
Legal fees288 34322
Agents' fees43 3477
Total4,124 1,0245,148
Value of loans5,200 1,3006,500
Repayment made1,076 2761,352


Question 166 (Chairman): Decision on making a loan to the administrators

  The key factors that the Department had to take into consideration when deciding on whether to make a loan to the administrators to cover one week's operating costs at MG Rover and Powertrain included:

Administration mean a completely new situation as regards liabilities

  Purchasers would be able to choose assets they wished to buy whilst leaving behind substantial liabilities, running to hundreds of millions of pounds. SAIC had told us that this issue was their biggest concern regarding the proposed joint venture, so the opportunity for bidders to secure assets and leave several hundred millions pounds of liabilities with the administrators was a very material development.

Significant value in a "going concern" sale resides in keeping the workforce together

  The value of the business and the prospects of production re-starting at any point would have diminished considerably had the majority of the workforce been laid off on the Monday morning.

Net impact of a deal on Government expenditure

  We knew that Ministers had already decided that if Longbridge closed, they would want to bring forward a package of measures, broadly modelled on what had happened in 2000, costing in the order of £150 million—£175 million. This was an important consideration in weighing the net risks. Our rule of thumb was that each job loss would cost the taxpayer £10—15,000.  The certainty of these costs needed to be weighed in the balance against the risk and potential benefits associated with the loan.

Bidders other than SAIC were showing interest in all and parts of the business

  Potentially interested parties had made contact with both the administrators and the Department over the weekend of 9/10 April. Powertrain still had a contract to supply Land Rover with engines and MG marque was a strong brand that had attracted many in the past interested in producing sports cars. But these bidders had had very little time to put bids together. A week would give the administrators time to ascertain whether there were any serious bids for the company or parts thereof as a going concern.

Positive soundings from diplomatic contacts

  The Department was receiving some mixed information but there did seem to be some encouragement from the Chinese Government to SAIC to look positively at the new situation.

Administrators' position

  The administrators had to be cautious in their approach. They had only been in place for 48 hours and lacked clarity on the cash position in the company. They therefore felt unable to stake any of the creditors' funds on a going concern sale. The Department had on the other hand been following the company's progress for months and in particular was sighted on the progress that had been made in negotiation with SAIC and the Chinese generally. The position adopted by the administrators certainly could not therefore be considered definitive.

Benefits from the orderly resolution of the workforce's position

  Although the Department had worked with the various public bodies concerned to prepare for the contingency of MGR's collapse, those bodies had inevitably not had the opportunity to co-ordinate with the administrators regarding the practical delivery of their various services. The additional time provided by the loan ensured that those made redundant immediately received the high quality, joined-up support on the Longbridge site that had received such positive feedback.

SAIC's negotiating team had been stood down

  Whilst we knew that officially the SAIC team had been stood down for a few days this had not prevented SAIC still carrying on talks at a working level. The stance could also of itself been a negotiating position designed to secure a better place.

Uncertain nature of situation

  We were still in the very early stages of a new situation. Much was uncertain over the weekend, but some of those uncertainties were likely to resolve themselves over the coming week, particularly the position of SAIC.

Ongoing need for support

  The Department was clear that providing funding to keep the company going for an indeterminate period was neither legal nor desirable. This in itself would have been encouragement towards a quick deal. However, if a genuine interest in purchase was expressed there were alternative funding options available. The administrators could have acted to reduce the costs of keeping the plant ready to go back into production well below £70—£100 million estimate made at the weekend. Clearly a niche part of the business would require less funding, which the administrators might have been prepared to support either from their own funds or on the basis of a loan secured against the assets—indeed the administrators did not give up on the prospect of recommencing production at Powertrain until they were unable to secure unanimous supplier support at a meeting on 29 April. A bidder may also have wanted to advance monies to protect the investment and the assets it wanted, and the PVH directors themselves had made an offer of some limited assets, which the administrators may have been able to utilise.

  The Department therefore concluded that the measured risk of a loan to cover the operating costs for one week only was a valid option in value for money terms.











7   Figures for those finding new work, excluding those ceasing to claim JSA for other reasons (at March 2006 MGR workers finding new work represent 85% of all those leaving JSA). Back

8   Based on 85% of those ceasing to claim JSA. Back

9   Projected (63% actual at 14 February 2006). Back

10   Moore and O'Neill, Impact of Redundancies on Local Labour Markets, 1996. Back

11   Rule 2.106 of the Insolvency Rules 1986. Back

12   Statements of Imsolvency Practice are adopted by the insolvency regulatory authorities and set out procedures with which insolvency practitioners are required to comply. Back

13   Rule 2.47 Insolvency Rules 1986. Back


 
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