Select Committee on Scottish Affairs Minutes of Evidence


Memorandum submitted to the Scottish Affairs Committee by Barry K Winetrobe, Reader in Law, Napier University

SUMMARY

  This inquiry provides an opportunity for the House to complement the recent reforms of "Sewel" business in the Scottish Parliament by improving the way it handles "Sewel Bills". Some suggestions were made in Holyrood's Procedures Committee report, and three categories of proposals are outlined in this submission. Recognition of the distinctive nature of "Sewel business" at Westminster, along these lines, would improve the effective of parliamentary scrutiny of such legislative proposals, and the quality of resulting legislation. It would also act as an important and necessary instance of cross-parliamentary initiative and action in the multi-layer governance system that devolution has created.

SEWEL: AN INTER-PARLIAMENTARY ISSUE

  1.  With a background in public law, and having worked for many years on parliamentary and constitutional issues in the House of Commons Research Service and, through its first year, in the Scottish Parliament Information Service, I have been interested in, and written about, the Sewel Convention over the last four years, and welcome this inquiry by your Committee. Coming immediately after the major report by the Scottish Parliament's Procedures Committee, [1]this inquiry provides the House of Commons with a timely and necessary opportunity for the two parliaments to coordinate and complement their handling of "Sewel" business to the benefit of both.

  2.  In my writing about the Sewel Convention, [2]and elsewhere, especially a commissioned paper for the House of Lords Constitution Committee's inquiry into devolution a few years ago, [3]I have been concerned that, under devolution, relations between the UK's parliaments and assemblies should be enhanced. The operation of the Convention is an instance of devolution business which formally was said to be a matter between the two parliaments, but which, in practice, has been dominated and driven by the two executives. This was criticised by the Constitution Committee, [4]and the Scottish Parliament's Procedures Committee concluded that [5]

    . . . the upshot has been that what was originally envisaged as an inter-Parliamentary convention has emerged in the form of an agreement and set of working practices within the structures of government. Whatever practical advantages this has, it has created the perception of an Executive-driven process in which the Parliamentary role is secondary. Perhaps unfairly, this has contributed to the suspicion and even hostility with which the whole Sewel process has been regarded in some quarters. We therefore believe it would now be in everyone's interests if the Parliament as a whole was to assume a greater degree of control and ownership over the process, including by embedding the main elements of Sewel scrutiny into the standing orders.

  3.  Following the Procedures Committee report, the Parliament has now, for the first time, embedded its "Sewel business" in Standing Orders, which officially describes it as "Legislative Consent" business. [6]The Procedures Committee appreciated that it was limited in practice in the extent to which it could comment upon, and suggest changes in, Westminster's handling of Bills to which the Scottish Parliament has given its "legislative consent" under the Sewel Convention. However, as your Committee will be aware, its report did examine this issue, [7]as it regarded Sewel business as the Scottish Parliament's "principal interface with the Westminster Parliament." [8]It noted the examples in my evidence to it of recent occasions where the House of Commons has been willing to shape its procedures and practice to accommodate external parliaments and related governance institutions, [9]and offered, "in a spirit of inter-Parliamentary dialogue", some suggestions for changes to "associated procedures in Westminster".[10] These would assist the aims of the reforms it proposed for Holyrood's handling of Sewel business, such as "enhancing the opportunities for scrutiny and increasing transparency", and, more generally to replace current persistent misunderstandings and controversy about the operation of the Sewel Convention with "a degree of consensus and a shared understanding" of this important parliamentary devolution mechanism. [11]

THE BENEFITS OF RECIPROCAL WESTMINSTER SEWEL REFORM

  4.  The Procedures Committee inquiry received evidence, not least from members and officials at Westminster, of the scrutiny at Westminster of what may be for convenience called "Sewel Bills". The Clerks of the two Houses recognised that the Convention "has little effect on procedure in either House", and the fact that a Bill before Westminster has been the subject of a "Sewel consent" "is not communicated formally to either House." [12]Some Westminster witnesses supported the proposals for change in the two Houses which the Committee made; others even went further, suggesting forms of joint scrutiny by Westminster and Holyrood.

  5.  The current inadequacy of Westminster's treatment of "Sewel Bills" was tellingly illustrated by the evidence on 19 October to your Committee of the Scottish Secretary, Alistair Darling. Referring to the Scottish Parliament's "Sewel Motion" consent mechanism, as applied to any particular Bill being considered at Westminster, he said that "my guess is Members of this Parliament are probably not aware of it, either (a) that there is one, or (b) what happened to it." [13]Presumably it was the combination of such comments by Mr Darling, and the publication of Holyrood's Procedures Committee report, which contributed to your Committee's decision shortly after to hold this present inquiry. In addition, this inquiry can fill in one gap left by the House's Procedure Committee's review of the procedural consequences of devolution, promised in its May 1999 report, [14]not having yet taken place. [15]

  6.  Your inquiry provides the opportunity for the House of Commons[16] to recognise that a "Sewel Bill", a concept which arose out of the devolution scheme enacted by the UK Parliament, is, like exclusively Scottish Bills, a distinctive type of parliamentary business, which should require some degree of distinctive parliamentary procedure and practice. [17]

  7.  Appropriate reform of the handling of "Sewel Bills" at Westminster, complementing recent changes at Holyrood, would bring direct benefits:

    —  improved parliamentary scrutiny of a category of legislation, especially (but not solely) by Members representing that part of the UK affected by the unique "Sewel" aspect of these Bills;

    —  improved quality of legislation subject to that enhanced scrutiny;

    —  greater acceptance, especially in Scotland, that the legislation, and the scrutiny to which it has been subjected at Westminster, more fully takes account of the wishes, needs and interests of Scotland;

    —  removal of much of the "constitutional" argument since 1999 about the "Sewel Convention", based on deficiencies in legislative scrutiny;

    —  enhanced cross-parliamentary co-operation between Westminster and Holyrood, which could serve as a template for such collaboration in other appropriate areas, and

    —  recognition of the legitimate and vital role of Scottish MPs at Westminster in participating in the legislative process on Sewel Bills.

SOME OPTIONS FOR CHANGES TO WESTMINSTER HANDLING OF "SEWEL BILLS"

  8.  Any proposals would require careful consideration, and would have to be procedurally effective and robust. They would also have to take account of the many different ways and times in the legislative (or pre-legislative) process that a "Sewel context" for a Bill or proposed Bill can arise. Whether and how any such changes can be implemented, in terms of specific procedures and practices, is essentially a matter for Members and officials of the House itself. From my perspective, there seem to be several levels of possible reforms which could be considered, ranging from the straightforward which can be accommodated within existing procedures and practices, to those which would require significant changes to existing arrangements at Westminster (and possibly also at Holyrood, and within the two governments).

  9.  Those which could be described as a minimalist approach could include those which have been suggested during Holyrood's Procedures Committee inquiry, and elsewhere:

    —  "tagging" of relevant Bills, by a form of Speaker certification (similar to that for exclusively Scottish Bills), and noting of relevant Scottish Parliament reports and debates in "Order Papers", Official Reports etc of the two Houses;

    —  "requiring" improved Explanatory Notes to Bills, setting out their "Sewel" context, including a summary of the relevant Holyrood scrutiny of the relevant Legislative Consent Motion;

    —  routine explanation and analysis in relevant House of Commons Research Papers and Standard Notes of the "Sewel context" of the provisions of relevant Bills, including a summary of the relevant Holyrood scrutiny of the relevant Legislative Consent Motion;

    —  formal means (a) of receiving the Scottish Parliament's view on a "Sewel Bill" (eg whether or not Consent has been given, and the form of any such Consent), and (b) for the transmission to the Parliament of relevant developments during the Westminster legislative process, directly and officially, on a parliament-to-parliament basis.

  10.  Those which would require some adjustment of existing procedures and practices could include:

    —  representation on relevant Standing Committees of Members representing Scottish seats, as appropriate to the degree to which a Bill contains "Sewel" provisions and, where possible, to reflect party balance and opinion on these provisions within Scotland as well as in the House;

    —  reference of Bills to more than one Standing Committee, to enable "Sewel provisions" to be considered by a form of "Scottish Standing Committee";

    —  arrangements made to facilitate the transmission of the views of interested Scottish groups and individuals on these provisions, at appropriate legislative or pre-legislative stages (such as select committee consideration of draft legislation with actual or potential "Sewel provisions"), including the holding of relevant sittings within Scotland;

    —  creation of forms of joint scrutiny of relevant legislative proposals by committees or members of the House of Commons and the Scottish Parliament, perhaps based on the existing arrangements devised recently for joint activities with the National Assembly for Wales; [18]by variation of the proposed arrangements for participation by EU Commissioners and MEPs to participate in EU scrutiny, or by appropriate use of special standing committees.

   11.  Those which would require more fundamental change in current Westminster arrangements would be those which, in effect, created what the Richard Commission described in the Welsh devolution context, as a "new legislative partnership," [19]where in the absence of a fully integrated cross-parliamentary legislative scrutiny process for "Sewel Bills", there could be a substantial degree of "co-legislating" for such legislative proposals. The recent history of Welsh devolution has demonstrated how difficult such co-legislating can be in practice, under that unique constitutional system. However, the proposed changes within, and built upon, the provisions of the current Government of Wales Bill, may provide some guidance, taking account of the differences in legislative power between Holyrood and the Assembly.

  12.  Westminster already co-legislates in the area, for example, of delegated legislation under the Scotland Act 1998 itself which is subject to parliamentary procedure in Westminster and Holyrood. [20]Thus the idea of shared procedure for "Sewel" legislation would not be unprecedented, even though, strictly speaking, what the Scottish Parliament does when granting its "legislative consent" is not a parliamentary legislative process as commonly understood.

  13.  While any arrangements must, of course, be designed to suit its own particular circumstances (such as, for example, the particular devolution scheme to which it applies), it would assist both consistency and public understanding if they are based on as substantially similar principles and procedures as is practicable. Any such reforms towards co-legislating would require the willingness of both parliaments, but especially Westminster, to adjust its existing arrangements to accommodate the arrangements of the other, in areas such as the parliamentary calendar, legislative processes, "privilege" issues, publication of information and so on.

CONCLUSION

  14.  That this inquiry itself is taking place is important both for the future success of Scottish devolution, and for enhancing the central role of the two parliaments, as it demonstrates that:

    —  Westminster is willing to do what is necessary to make the operation of devolution as effective and robust as possible, even where it means changes to its own settled ways of doing business; and

    —  a matter such as the handling of "Sewel Bills" is, and should be, one primarily for the two parliaments themselves, on behalf of the public they each represent.

19 December 2005



1   The Sewel Convention, Procedures Committee, 7th Report, 2005, SP Paper 428, October 2005. Back

2   "Counter-devolution? The Sewel Convention on devolved legislation at Westminster" (2001) Scottish Law and Practice Quarterly 286; "A partnership of the Parliaments: Scottish law making under the Sewel Convention at Westminster and Holyrood", chapter 2 of R Hazell & R Rawlings, Devolution, Law Making and the Constitution, Imprint Academic, Exeter, 2005, and "Sewel reform at Holyrood: balancing the political and procedural" SCOLAG Journal, November 2005, 248-9 (the last article was written before the present inquiry was announced). Back

3   Devolution: Inter-Institutional Relations in the United Kingdom, 2nd Report, 2002-03, HL Paper 28, January 2003, Appendix 5, pp 59-69. Back

4   Constitution Committee report, paras 130-2. Back

5   Procedures Committee report, para 135. Back

6   Chapter 9B, which uses "Legislative Consent" terminology for what had hitherto been informally called Sewel motions, memorandums and so on. Back

7   Procedures Committee report, paras 115-123. Back

8   Procedures Committee report, para 209. Back

9   Procedures Committee report, para 121, including joint activities with committees of the National Assembly for Wales (now in SO No 137A), and the Modernisation Committee's proposals to allow EU Commissioners and MEPs (but not members of the devolved parliaments/assemblies) to participate in EU scrutiny (Modernisation Committee, "Scrutiny of European business", 2nd report, 2004-05, HC 465, March 2005, paras 67-73. Back

10   Procedures Committee report, paras 203-7, 220: tagging of relevant Bills; improved Explanatory Notes, and means for communicating the Parliament's view to Westminster. Back

11   Procedures Committee report, para 210. Back

12   Procedures Committee report, paras 60 and 118. Back

13   Scotland Office annual report 2005, HC 580-i, 2005-06, 19 October 2005, Q18. Back

14   The procedural consequences of devolution, Procedure Committee, 4th Report, 1998-99, HC 185, May 1999, para 1. Back

15   It is not clear how your inquiry fits in with what the Leader of the House of Commons said at Business Questions on 17 November, when asked about the Convention and the recent Holyrood report on it: "I hope in due course to visit the Scottish Parliament to discuss how these arrangements work and, in particular, whether they need improving. I accept that that is an unwritten development of our constitutional settlement . . . Unless there is a necessity for revising or reviewing the way it operates, I am perfectly content with the way it works at present." (HC Deb vol 439 cols 1115-6, 17.11.05). Back

16   Taking account of the consistent views of the Constitution Committee, it is assumed that any proposals made by your inquiry, and accepted by the House, would encourage the House of Lords to make any appropriate parallel reforms to the legislative process there. Back

17   The Committee in 1998 produced an early and very thoughtful analysis of how devolution would affect the governance of the UK: The operation of multi-layer democracy, 2nd report, 1997-98, HC 460, December 1998. Back

18   SO No 137A. Back

19   Report of the Richard Commission on the powers and electoral arrangements of the National Assembly for Wales, 2004, para 14. Back

20   Scotland Act 1998, s115 and sch 7. Back


 
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