Select Committee on Transport Minutes of Evidence


Supplementary memorandum submitted by East Sussex County Council

1.   Direct grants are allocated specifically for transport in London. Would you like to see revenue for transport services ring-fenced in the same way for county councils? If grants were to be ring-fenced for metropolitan transport authorities how would this affect county councils?

  Unlike Transport for London, County Councils are not single purpose authorities. Funding for the County Council has to be in the context of all its key services; the impact on the council tax payer and the local political choices that are involved in forming priorities. In terms of core government base revenue funding there would be little support for further ring fencing of grants. Rather the wish must be for general formula grant to be adequate to help support the cost of all key service expectations being set for local government.

  There is, however, an accepted use of specific grants to pump-prime new services (eg transport routes). More significantly, properly funded capital allocations for specific purposes (such as LTP) are accepted practice and amount to the equivalent of direct grants—providing they are properly funded and the balance of the burden falling on the local tax payer and the national exchequer is transparent and reasonable. In the round, funding issues for transport cannot be divorced from the totality of the funding regime for County Councils as a whole; including the financial impact on government and the local council tax payer. There would be major concerns if ring fenced grants for metropolitan transport authorities were to result in swallowing up potential regional and LTP major scheme allocations to shire counties in particular.

2.   Does the authority feel that the LTP was permitted to concentrate on areas felt to be important locally? If not, why was there a feeling that the "National Shared Priorities" were to dominate over other local objectives? The Department states that the guidance encouraged local authorities (and partners) to identify local priorities within their LTP—what more steer did local authorities (and partners) need to develop local priorities?

  Generally, the East Sussex LTP2 objectives fit comfortably within the context of the wider National Shared Priorities transport. The LTP2's objectives are based on the East Sussex Community Strategy Objectives ("Pride of Place") and are closely aligned to the national shared priorities for transport. The exception is the LTP2 "maintenance" objective as none of the shared priorities explicitly includes this.

  However, the rural nature and poor economic performance of the County, together with the overall level of resources available, constrains the extent to which the County Council's transport capital programme can significantly contribute to the achievement of all LTP objectives. The funding process is heavily weighted to meeting national transport objectives and this limits the LTAs' ability to pursue local aspirations. For example, there is no tangible funding opportunity to implement significant non-major schemes in excess of £1 million and less than £5 million. In East Sussex, implementation of Phase 1 of the Newhaven Port Access road has been a local priority for several years but continues to be frustrated by an apparent lack of commitment from Government to invest in schemes in excess of £2 million but under £5 million, despite the potential for such schemes to contribute to high priority local economic regeneration and transport objectives.

  The LTP guidance is sufficient in terms of providing a steer on how local authorities should identify their local priorities.

3.   We would be grateful for an assessment of the cost of the interaction between the local authorities and the central Department for Transport, if this is possible.

  The cost for interaction will vary year-on-year ie depending on whether we are preparing both a Local Transport Plan and a Delivery Report (formerly an Annual Progress Report) and the number of consultations eg re national/regional transport policy and funding. Over a five-year period average costs vary in the range of £80,000 to £100,000 per year.

4.  Q268 The transport Minister Dr Ladyman stated: "We can keep it under review, but actually the £5 million threshold is widely misunderstood. The £5 million is not the maximum that a local authority can spend: it is the threshold under which we are unlikely to consider giving additional grant. If we increased it to £6 million local authorities would actually be worse off because it would mean that they would have to have a £6 million scheme before we would consider giving them additional grant. Local authorities would be better pressuring us to bring the level down rather than bring it up". What is your response to this statement? Have local authorities misunderstood the issue?

  Local Authorities have understood that they are not able to progress schemes of more than £5 million without specific DfT major scheme approval, irrespective of the funding stream. The Transport Minister's words imply that LTA's can progress schemes in excess of £5 million without having to obtain DfT approval if funded through a combination of the LTP and non-government sources (ie "The £5 million is not the maximum that a local authority can spend"). Clarification would be helpful to confirm whether such schemes must receive DfT approval to be implemented. The Minister's statement still leaves us believing they do require DfT approval.

  We strongly agree that there would be potential benefits in lowering the threshold below £5 million for schemes to qualify for Government funding support. However, the concern is that the current bidding system for "Majors" is so onerous that the costs involved in progressing significant non-major schemes, would form a large proportion of overall scheme costs impacting on its Value for Money credentials. The current requirement has presented a major obstacle to progressing important regional and local priorities. I have already mentioned the first phase of the Newhaven Port Access Road. The first phase of this scheme, would cost in the order of £4 million and would contribute to the economic regeneration of Newhaven, consistent with the emerging South East Plan and LTP2 objectives.

5.   It has been suggested that whole life costing, good asset management and strategic transport planning is not helped by having separate (revenue and capital) funding streams. CIPFA, the public sector accountancy body, has suggested that integration could be achieved by supporting capital schemes through the revenue account, by paying the full cost of depreciation plus an interest or opportunity cost of using capital. What would be your view on this?

  Having separate funding streams for capital and revenue is not an issue. Currently most capital schemes are funded by borrowing finance from the revenue account. It is right and proper to account for the differences between revenue and capital spend items. CIPFA have not suggested the integration implied in the question. Rather, they would promote a depreciation charge to revenue to reflect the full cost of the use of the asset. This would allow renewal funds to be built up but this does raise a major question of the impact on the council tax payer of depreciation accounting.

July 2006





 
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