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Mr. Francois: To clear up the question as quickly as possible, at Environment, Food and Rural Affairs questions on 9 June I asked what the status of the issue was. The DEFRA Minister replied:
That, specifically, is what we are talking about. I think that that clarifies the matter. Mr. Lewis: I would never contradict a DEFRA Minister, and therefore I can tell the hon. Gentleman that the guidance has not yet been issued. I shall chase it up, and as soon as I find out when it will be published I will inform the hon. Gentleman. Question put and agreed to. Clause 41 ordered to stand part of the Bill. Clause 42 ordered to stand part of the Bill. Column Number: 238 Schedule 9 Insurance companies etc Chris Huhne (Eastleigh) (LD): I beg to move amendment No. 104, in schedule 9, page 131, leave out lines 1 to 12. The Chairman: With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 105, in schedule 9, page 131, line 1, leave out from beginning to end of line 12. No. 106, in schedule 9, page 131, line 5, at end insert
I now call Chris Huhne. Chris Huhne: Thank you, Sir Nicholas. It is normally pronounced hewn, as in rough-hewn, but you gave an alternative pronunciation. [Interruption.] I see that many of us will probably be rejoicing in a different nomenclature by the end of this Standing Committee. The amendment would have the somewhat radical effect of deleting the powers given to the Treasury under the Bill to amend by order any of the key provisions governing the taxation of life insurance
Those surplus assets are clearly defined by the FSA in respect of with-profits business, and they were flagged up as a potential tax base in the pre-Budget report, with draft regulations and a letter on 2 December last year. Now, however, the whole basis of the proposals has changed. Instead of taxing the FSA-defined surplus assets in one part of the life insurance business, Ministers are proposing to tax surplus assets in another part of the business entirely, namely those in non-profit funds. Moreover, the proposal is to do so where the company concerned has taken steps towards a court scheme, separating its own shareholders funds from those accruing to its customers. That brainwave has evidently come pretty late, because it only emerged in draft regulations on 17 June. Please note, Sir Nicholas, that the entire basis of the proposed tax on life insurers therefore changed between December and June. Please note, too, that Ministers have not claimedbecause they cannot do sothat these proposals involve any closing of loopholes or abolition of tax avoidance. There is no tax avoidance under the current rules, which are of long standing. There is no scheme involved that has been revealed through tax scheme disclosure. In that respect, I disagree with the remarks made by the hon. Member for Runnymede and Weybridge on Second Reading; he appeared to imply that there might be a little jiggery-pokery on the avoidance front. Not so. All we have is a blameless part of the corporate landscape, innocently tilling its furrows in the savings field, suddenly being set on for an estimated £30 million to £35 million by an evidently indigent Treasury. Indeed, Ministers were sufficiently embarrassed by that expedient that they introduced a sunset clause on their powers. They can have a go at life insurers profits on whatever basis they please, but the blank cheque is to be genteelly constrained to between 1 January 2005 and 1 October 2006, unless they manage to wrest back their scruples and extend the period to 1 October 2007 as allowed by new section 431A(5). If the powers to introduce such a fundamental change in the taxation of life insurers are to go, the sunset clause can go too. Ed Balls: Given that the Liberal Democrats would not raise the £35 million revenue identified as they oppose the provision, how would they instead fill the
Chris Huhne: I am delighted that the hon. Gentleman has asked me that, because I will come to it later. If he does not get full satisfaction, he will no doubt intervene again. However, I hope that he will first allow me to make a little progress in criticising the Governments proposals. The provisions would represent a remarkable raid if it were not for another feature of the HMRCs enthusiasm, which is the damage that the rules are likely to do to the sound commercial judgment of the markets main participants. AXA, Legal and General, and Britannic will all be hit as they have separated out such surplus assets and taken steps towards a court scheme. Aviva had intended to do that on sound commercial ground, but if the provision enters into law grounds, but I can safely predict that it will have no intention of doing so. Such a taxation measure will introduce adverse incentives to responsible behaviour that would otherwise crystallise that part of assets owing to shareholders and that part to customers of the concerned companies. The HMRC has implicitly admitted that the measures are arbitrary and ill thought out, through not just through the application of a sunset clause but in its admission with the draft regulations earlier this month. It said in effect that it was
So there we have it: on the HMRCs own admission, the regulations are less fair than they could be and are not ideally in tune with the way companies operate, which is why I have said that I will propose more substantive measures in future. The provisions are arbitrary, short term and ill thought out. They introduce the wrong incentives and are sufficiently embarrassing to Ministers to make them promise their disappearance within two years. Considering those qualities, we should encourage their disappearance even earlier: before they ever reach the statute book. I come now to the point raised by the hon. Member for Normanton The Chairman: Order. Let me say that I am not sure that the question from the hon. Member for Normanton was relevant to the amendments under discussion, but I am prepared to use my discretion. If the hon. Gentleman wants to reply in two short sentences, I will allow him to do so. Chris Huhne: I am aware of the time, so perhaps I could also Debate adjourned.[Mr. Watson.] Adjourned accordingly at half-past Seven oclock till Thursday 30 June at fifteen minutes past Nine oclock. |
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