The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Benyon,
Mr. Richard (Newbury)
(Con) Bottomley,
Peter (Worthing, West)
(Con)
Byrne,
Mr. Liam (Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and
Nationality)
Cawsey,
Mr. Ian (Brigg and Goole)
(Lab)
Clegg,
Mr. Nick (Sheffield, Hallam)
(LD)
Fabricant,
Michael (Lichfield)
(Con)
Green,
Damian (Ashford)
(Con)
Grogan,
Mr. John (Selby)
(Lab)
Hodgson,
Mrs. Sharon (Gateshead, East and Washington, West)
(Lab)
Horwood,
Martin (Cheltenham)
(LD)
Lepper,
David (Brighton, Pavilion)
(Lab/Co-op) Malik,
Mr. Shahid (Dewsbury)
(Lab)
Morden,
Jessica (Newport, East)
(Lab)
Riordan,
Mrs. Linda (Halifax)
(Lab)
Smith,
Ms Angela C. (Sheffield, Hillsborough)
(Lab)
Streeter,
Mr. Gary (South-West Devon)
(Con)
Trickett,
Jon (Hemsworth)
(Lab) Geoffrey Farrar, Committee
Clerk attended
the Committee Second
Standing Committee on Delegated
LegislationTuesday 20
June
2006[David
Taylor in the
Chair]Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules
10.30
am Mr.
Ian Cawsey (Brigg and Goole) (Lab): On a point of order,
Mr. Taylor. I wish you well in the Chair. We hope that the sunshine
reflects Englands prospects for later in the day. I am very
pleased to see my hon. Friend the Minister entering the room and taking
his seat, so I think I can end this point of
order.
The
Chairman: I am not sure whether there was a deviation in
that point of order. I am pleased to see that the Minister has
arrived.
Mr.
Nick Clegg (Sheffield, Hallam) (LD): I beg to
move, That the
Committee has considered the Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules
(HC 1016). I am keen
to take the opportunity to highlight our serious reservations, on a
number of grounds, about the measure before us. The intentions of this
delegated legislation are uncontroversial. It is not controversial to
extend by 12 months the qualifying period before people can apply for
indefinite leave to remain; nor is it fundamentally controversial to
adapt the rules to ensure that those people who are properly qualified
to work in our health service, for instance, are given the opportunity
to do so. Our objections are not based on any great principle; they are
serious reservations about the measures practical
effect. The
legislation has been sprung on us without any meaningful consultation.
In the Governments February consultation document, there was no
mention of the new five-year qualifying period. There is a
suddennessa brutalityabout the way in which the measure
has been announced. There was no preceding consultation whatever, and
that strikes us as bad practice, which will lead to several
unintendedor perhaps intendedconsequences that merit
further examination.
The measure is retrospective,
so it covers a large number of people who are already resident in this
country, and who came here and applied for their various visas with the
explicit understanding that after four years they would be free to
apply for indefinite leave to remain. The estimate of how many people
the rule change will affect ranges from 100,000, to 200,000 if we
include their dependants.
I am sure that we have all
received correspondence from constituents whom we know to have been
directly affected by the change. In my constituency, I have come across
a large number of families who, if the measure proceeds, will need to
change their plans, leave their work or studies, sell their homes and
take their children
out of school or university, because they have received no warning that
the rules have changed, or that the understanding on which they entered
this country has summarily changed. The measure seems to fly in the
face of the basic fairness, transparency and predictability that
anybody who is resident and working in this country expects and
deserves. There has
been no proper analysis of the measures impact and there is no
regulatory impact assessment attached to it, yet estimates suggest that
the overall cost to UK employers of renewing their employees
work permits could be as high as £15 million. In other words,
the change is not cost-free. In addition to its sudden introduction and
its retrospective application to those who were perfectly entitled to
expect that the rules would not change from one day to the next, it
will be costly to UK business.
The impact of the measure on
overseas students and trainee doctors, specialists and others working
in the national health service has attracted a great deal of attention.
I shall quote an e-mail that I received from a constituent who is a
consultant and the head of the assisted conception unit at the Jessop
wing in
Sheffield: The
changes regarding the need for work permits will almost certainly
affect our ability to recruit appropriately trained doctors to work in
our department. It is increasingly difficult to attract UK graduates
into our specialty as a whole, and the field of reproductive medicine
is even more specialised. In order to get the best people for the job,
we need to recruit from all over the world, and indeed to date we have
been very successful in attracting a very high calibre of applicant to
these jobs. I am concerned that, with the introduction of these new
rules, we will no longer be able to attract these high-quality trainees
to work with us, as the UK will be perceived to be hostile to overseas
doctors. This may mean that we will be forced to employ someone who is
less suitable, which would be a disadvantage to our service, the women
of Sheffield and the scientific community as a
whole. Similar
observations have been made by the British Medical Association, which
claims that the change is unfair on the doctors who already work here,
and by many other professional bodies, which fear that they will have a
detrimental effect on the quality of work undertaken in a number of
specialisms in the
NHS. Let us step back
for a moment. Given that the principle behind the changes is not the
issue at stake here, and that our objections are practical, I would ask
the Minister why a relatively minor change which appears to have been
introduced on the hoof but which will have extensive and disruptive
consequences has been pushed through in this way. I wonder whether, at
a time when the immigration and nationality directorate and the Home
Office as a whole obviously have larger fish to fry, a relatively minor
rule change such as this should have assumed such importance.
For those and many other
reasons, we object to the change. We are not convinced that the
provisions of EC Council directive 2003/109/ECuttering those
words takes me back to a previous incarnation in the European
Parliamentin fact require such a rigid rule change, let alone
justify the brutality with which it is being introduced. We ask the
Minister to consider whether he can develop coherent transitional
arrangements, particularly for those who are already resident and
working in this country who assumedthat the four-year
qualifying period would prevail,to address the reasoned and
reasonable concerns
expressed by a range of professional bodies in the NHS. If he took time
to develop such arrangements and present them to the House, I am sure
that he would enjoy the kind of cross-party support that he would want
for the measure but which does not exist
today. 10.38
am Damian
Green (Ashford) (Con): May I start, Mr. Taylor, by echoing
the welcome to the Chair extended to you so eloquently and necessarily
by the Government Whip?
I half agree with what the hon.
Member for Sheffield, Hallam (Mr. Clegg) has just said but, unlike him,
I have objections in principle to the change. The arguments specific to
the medical profession and trainee doctors have not only been rehearsed
by the hon. Gentleman this morning but have been the subject of an
Adjournment debate, so I do not propose to go into them in detail,
although I share many of the concerns expressed, particularly by
associations representing doctors from the sub-continent, about the
practical effects of the change.
In particular, I do not agree
with the Governments plan to change retrospectively the rules
on settlement. Whatever the merits of changing the qualifying period
from four years to five, it is unfair and wrong to apply the new rules
to people who have been living and working in this country for some
time, many of whom had planned their lives around the date on which
they expected to gain full settlement rights. Retrospective legislation
such as this is wrong in principlethat is where I part company
from the hon. Member for Sheffield, Hallamand that principle is
one that should be broken only where a really significant and urgent
problem exists that would justify it. We have heard nothing from the
Government so farand I do not expect to hear much from the
Minister this morningto suggest that there is an urgent problem
facing the Government that the proposals would solve.
One of the stranger
claims in the, as ever, enlightening explanatory memorandum produced by
the Home Office is that
The overall policy change is not
regarded as
controversial. That is
an extraordinary claim, and one that is, frankly, simply wrong. The
Minister will be aware that last Fridays demonstration, led by
the British-Chinese community and supported by a number of others,
including the Turkish, Indian and South African communities, was only
the most recent in a series of public protests against the proposals.
Indeed, the proposals have given rise to early-day motions, some of
them tabled by Labour Membersmost recently the hon. Member for
Hendon (Mr. Dismore), who makes the point that those affected, who pay
taxes and make a major contribution to the economy, now face
uncertainty and hardship. I cannot believe that the Government intend
that to happen, and if they are not prepared to listen to me or to the
Liberal Democrats, or even to listen to representatives of the
communities affected, I urge them at least to listen to their own Back
Benchers objections to the changes.
The Government ought to listen
to those who are protesting, because a number of their points seem to
me to be valid. The protesters argue that the lack of any transitional
arrangements means that the rule does not discriminate between people
who have been here
for three years 11 months and those who have been here only two or three
months. The change is a big blow to the lives and future plans of those
who have been here longer. In particular, as the Minister will be
aware, without fully settled status it is almost impossible to secure a
mortgage. Those who
have been working here and paying taxes for a long time and who intend
to stay herepeople who are already contributing to the
community and wish to contribute moreregard the change not only
as a blow but as a hostile act by Britain. Many of the migrants
affected are highly skilled: they are exactly the sort of people who
the Government say they seek to attract.
Ministers only response
so far has been that they are harmonising our rules with those of other
EU countries. I have no objection to that in principle if it serves a
useful purpose, but I fail to see how the people and economy of this
country are helped by harmonisation in this case. The problem could
have been solved by a transitional period, but that is not on
offer. It has been
arguedand it is a persuasive argumentthat the long-term
effect of the Governments blunder will be to discourage highly
skilled migrants from coming to Britain in the first place, because
their trust in the British Governments fairness will have been
damaged. I hope that that is wrong, because it would do big long-term
damage to our economy if it were so, but that is the risk that the
Government run if they insist on pushing the proposals
through. Most of all,
there will be bewilderment at the fact that the Government have chosen
to make life more difficult for precisely the highly skilled migrants
who they say they want to attract here in ever increasing numbers. We
can and do have legitimate differences of approach on many aspects of
immigration policy, but every reputable person who comments on the
issue agrees that highly skilled economic migrants are good for
Britain. In this instance, the lives of many of them are being made
more difficult by this unnecessary change in the rules. I simply cannot
understand why the Government have chosen this strange
measurestill less why Ministers have not mounted a graceful
retreat in the face of reasoned opposition from the communities most
affected. I urge them, at this late stage, to do so. If they do not,
the Opposition will vote against the
proposals. 10.45
am The
Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and Nationality (Mr. Liam
Byrne): I welcome the opportunity to discuss the proposed
rule changes. The change that has been at the heart of this
mornings debate is one of six that have been introduced to the
immigration rules. I will come to the one that I think is controversial
in my response to the hon. Members for Ashford (Damian Green) and for
Sheffield, Hallam (Mr. Clegg).
If the Committee will permit
me, I would first like to put the changes in their proper
contextthe context of the five-year strategy on asylum and
immigration that was published in February 2005, in which we set out
the premise that we need to be much clearer about
which migrants we admit and why. That strategy will henceforward be the
basis of our immigration policy. It builds on the manifesto commitment
that we put to the British people just over a year ago.
We are very clear about our
obligations. It is the job of the Government to manage migration into
the United Kingdom so that the needs and rights of United Kingdom are
met and maintained. That is precisely why we proposed in our manifesto
a points-based system for managed migration. We consulted on it widely
between July and November last year, and went back to first principles
to identify and select migrants whom the United Kingdom really needs
and whose presence here will benefit the
us. The Government are
and always have been very clear about the need for migration. We are
clear about the contribution that migration makes to this country: not
only does it fill gaps in our labour market, as the hon. Member for
Ashford said, but many of our public services, not least the health
service and our education system, are quite reliant on those who come
from overseas to work in this
country. That
highlights the wider point that globalisation presents us with an
extraordinary opportunity in the years to come, but we have to bear it
in mind that, with an expanded European Union, much of that opportunity
is on our doorstep. We must ensure that our immigration system is
adapted and modernised so as to take account of that opportunity. Our
starting point is that employers should often look first to recruit
from the UK and the expanded EU before recruiting migrants from
outside. In that regard, it is nice to see on both Opposition Front
Benches spokesmen who, if not perhaps Euro-fanatics, are supporters of
much of the Governments European
policy. Let me turn to
the debate about settlement. I am glad that the hon. Member for
Sheffield, Hallam agreed with the principles set out in the proposed
changes. I want to remind the Committee, however, that the proposed
change to the qualifying period from four years to five were announced
in the five-year strategy on 7 February last year. A lot of people have
saidnot least this morningthat the proposals have come
out of the blue and unannounced, and I want to disabuse them of that
notion. A lot of people said that they had lost sight of the change.
That is perfectly possible: as the hon. Member for Sheffield, Hallam
said, there has been rather a lot going on in immigration matters over
the past 12 months.
In particular, the hon.
Gentleman talked about the impact of retrospection. It is important to
be clear that the proposed change does not affect anyones right
to remain and work in the UK. Anyone with valid leave to remain who is
continuing in employment or earning their living or investing in the UK
still qualifies to remain here and should have no difficulty in
completing their fifth year. If their employment were about to cease
after four years, they would not qualify for settlement anyway, so the
argument or complaint that the change has made some peoples
immigration status worse or less secure is slightly flimsy.
The
measure prevents no one from carrying on what they were doing in the UK:
they are simply being asked to carry on for one more
year. Martin
Horwood (Cheltenham) (LD): If the change makes no
difference to people with existing leave to remain, why is it being
applied to them
retrospectively? Mr.
Byrne: I shall come to that in a
moment. Those who have
read the Governments five-year strategy will know that it went
on to say that the rationalea rationale that I think the hon.
Member for Sheffield, Hallam supportsthat permanent migration
should be a journey towards being as socially integrated as possible,
and this measure encourages that journey without taking away
anyones ability to carry on working or making a life for
themselves. The Government think that settlement should be closer to
the citizenship end of the migration process, rather than following
almost automatically from a period of employment. We are simply asking
for a stronger degree of attachment to the UK than at
present. The change
is not restrictive. It does not prevent people from doing what they are
doing already. Those who, like the hon. Member for Ashford, are
particularly interested in closer relations with the continent of
Europe will welcome the fact that the proposals bring us into line with
European
directives.
Mr.
Byrne: Perhaps the hon. Gentleman is going to disabuse
me. Damian
Green: As I say, I have no objection in principle to the
harmonisation when it serves a purpose, but in my view this change not
only serves no purpose but is
damaging. I want to
return to the Ministers previous point. He said that he wanted
to move the grant of settlement much closer to citizenship
qualifications, and that he thought that people who had been here for
four years had not displayed enough attachment to this country. Is he
aware that many of those people who have been living and working here
for four years, or nearly four years, will find that quite insulting?
They have come here, worked hard and paid taxes and, in saying that
they have not shown much attachment to this country, the Minister has
struck a false note. I hope that he will
withdraw. Mr.
Byrne: I understand the hon. Gentlemans
attempts to mis-characterise my remarks, but they were worded quite
carefully. I said that we would be seeking to move the qualification
closer to the citizenship end of the spectrum, so seeking to strengthen
peoples attachment to this country. Surely the hon. Gentleman
would admit that an extra year would help do
that. To the answer
the point about why we did not give more notice of the change, let me
say that there issues associated with giving dramatic amounts of
publicity to certain categories of change, but it is none the less
important that we follow the consultation procedures that are set out
for us, and that is why we flagged this proposal on 7 February last
year.
The hon.
Member for Sheffield, Hallam referred to transitional arrangements.
Such arrangements are in place to ensure that those who apply
immediately before the changes can be dealt with under the old rules
even if the decision is made after 3 April. There are also transitional
arrangements for those who apply for settlement immediately after 3
April having only completed four years in the UK. Those applicants will
have the opportunity to vary their application from a settlement
application to a one-year leave-to-remain application without losing
their original application
fee. I
hope that my remarks help to put the proposed changes in context. They
should not be seen in isolation from a broader set of reforms that is
intended to introduce a system of managed migration that helps this
country take advantage of the changes in the world beyond our
shores. 10.53
am Mr.
Clegg: Let me assuage the concerns of the hon. Member for
Ashford (Damien Green), who claimed that he only agreed with 50 per
cent. of what I said, by saying that I agree with 100 per cent. of what
he said. We all agree that there
are [Interruption.] Mr.
Clegg: I am keen to maintain a united intellectual front
against the measure on the Opposition Benches. We agree that the
measure was introduced with insufficient warning and consultation and
inadequate transitional arrangements, and, most important, that it is
being applied retrospectively to communities for whom it is proving
extremely disruptive. Where the discrepancy lies is that I am so
reasonable in expressing my objections that the hon. Gentleman somehow
gleaned the impression that I undervalued the affront that the measure
represents to the communities it affects. I do not. I reiterate that an
extension of the qualifying period from four years to five is not in
theory or principle the controversy at stake. What is controversial is
that the measure is being applied in a manner that is causing
unnecessary and unfair disruption to large numbers of peopleup
to 200,000who reasonably assumed that the rules would not be
changed in such a cavalier and capricious
manner. The
Minister suggested that the extension of the qualifying period from
four years to five moves settlement closer to the citizenship
qualification. I wonder
whether, on reflection, he is really prepared to maintain the view that
an extension from four years to five really has a meaningful or
significant effect on the attachment to the United Kingdom of people
who have been living and working here, paying tax and making a real
contribution to this country,. It seems to me that if they have already
made a commitment to make their life here and plan to apply for
indefinite leave to remain after four years, doing so 12 short months
later will have no symbolic or substantive
effect. I repeat my
plea. In the absence of real transitional arrangements that soften the
savage blow that such a sudden change of rules represents, it is
extremely difficult for the Opposition to support this measure. The
most simple and logical way of proceeding would be to ensure that the
measure was not applied retrospectively, by introducing a grandfather
clause to the effect that the measure applies only to those who apply
for indefinite leave to remain after it takes legal effect. There is no
rational or legal or political reason why the changes need to be
applied retrospectively. That simple generous measure would make the
change more workable and far more acceptable to the tens of thousands
of people who will now otherwise be detrimentally affected by
it. Question
put: The
Committee divided: Ayes 9, Noes
6. Division
No.
1] Smith,
Ms Angela C. (Sheffield,
Hillsborough)Question
accordingly agreed to.
Resolved,
That the
Committee has considered the Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules
(HC
1016). Committee
rose at two minutes to Eleven
oclock.
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