The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Afriyie,
Adam
(Windsor)
(Con)
Austin,
John
(Erith and Thamesmead)
(Lab)
Baker,
Norman
(Lewes)
(LD)
Baldry,
Tony
(Banbury)
(Con)
Burden,
Richard
(Birmingham, Northfield)
(Lab)
Corbyn,
Jeremy
(Islington, North)
(Lab)
Djanogly,
Mr. Jonathan
(Huntingdon)
(Con)
Dorries,
Mrs. Nadine
(Mid-Bedfordshire)
(Con)
Ellwood,
Mr. Tobias
(Bournemouth, East)
(Con)
Foster,
Mr. Michael
(Worcester)
(Lab)
Godsiff,
Mr. Roger
(Birmingham, Sparkbrook and Small Heath)
(Lab)
Hughes,
Simon
(North Southwark and Bermondsey)
(LD)
Keeble,
Ms Sally
(Northampton, North)
(Lab)
Linton,
Martin
(Battersea)
(Lab)
Moffat,
Anne
(East Lothian)
(Lab)
Prentice,
Bridget
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Constitutional
Affairs)
Stoate,
Dr. Howard
(Dartford)
(Lab)
Gordon
Clarke, Committee
Clerk
attended the Committee
First
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 4
December
2006
[Mr.
Derek Conway in the
Chair]
Draft Association of Law Costs Draftsmen Order 2006
4.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs
(Bridget Prentice): I beg to move,
That the Committee has
considered the draft Association of Law Costs Draftsmen Order
2006.
I think that I
have sat under your chairmanship before, Mr. Conway, and I
am delighted to do so again. I know that you will be fair as we
dealor not, as the case may bewith what is clearly a
difficult, contentious and controversial area of law.
The order comes under section 29
of, and part I of schedule 4 to, the Courts and Legal Services Act
1990. It will enable qualified fellows of the Association of Law Costs
Draftsmen to exercise limited rights of audience and rights to conduct
litigation in England and Wales in connection with legal costs matters.
Once the order has been made, a second order will be laid to extend the
legal services ombudsmans jurisdiction to oversee complaints
against costs draftsmen.
The ALCD is the professional
association that represents and regulates law costs draftsmen working
in England and Wales. Costs draftsmen work in a small, highly
specialised field, drawing up and analysing bills relating to all
aspects of the legal costs that are included in solicitors
bills for cases in all courts. Such costs can include the
solicitors fee, the court fees, barristers fees and
expert and witness fees.
The preparation of such bills is
specialised and is almost always carried out by a costs draftsman
rather than a solicitor. Solicitors prepare their own bills in a
minority of cases, such as straightforward cases in which the legal
costs will be met entirely by the solicitors own client and are
relatively low. Some costs draftsmen are employed full-time by
solicitors, while others work in partnership as directors or employees
of law costs drafting firms or as freelancers on a partnership or sole
practitioner basis. Depending on the circumstances of the case, the
costs set out in solicitors bills that are prepared by
draftsmen relate to cases heard in civil, criminal or family courts,
and they are met by the client, the clients opponent or from
public
funds.
Currently,
draftsmen must seek a judges approval on a case-by-case basis
to appear at a costs hearing. Members of the public cannot instruct a
costs draftsman directly, and instructions must be channelled through a
solicitor, who will then be responsible for the draftsmans
conduct before the judge.
The association seeks
recognition as a body authorised to grant rights to its fellows to
conduct litigation on behalf of clients in matters relating to legal
costs and to appear at legal costs hearings in all
courts without having to seek a judges permission. It wants
clients to be able to instruct draftsmen directly, rather than only
through a solicitor. It also wants costs draftsmen to be authorised and
regulated by their own professional association in relation to all
aspects of their work as law costs draftsmen, rather than under the
supervision of solicitors in respect of their conduct in court, as at
present.
Those rights
will allow the association to grant rights of audience and rights to
conduct litigation to suitably qualified fellows in respect of the
assessment of the costs payable in all courts and all types of cases,
whether family, civil or criminal. That will apply irrespective of who
ultimately pays the legal costs claimed in the solicitors bill
that is being
assessed.
Admittedly,
only a very small number of law costs draftsmen500 over the
next five to 10 yearswill be able to exercise such rights, but,
from a competition point of view, it is important that they can do so.
They will be able to act independently of solicitors in legal costs
proceedings, which should simplify access to their services. That will
potentially cut costs by enabling consumers to have direct access to
draftsmens expertise, rather than being obliged to instruct and
pay for a solicitor, too. Consumers and costs draftsmen will also
benefit from the fact that the draftsmen will be authorised and
regulated directly by their own professional body with its expert
knowledge of the specialist area involved, rather than indirectly
through solicitors, who are generally not experts in this
area.
The legal
services ombudsman has been consulted, and she has confirmed that she
is willing for her jurisdiction to be extended to cover complaints
against law costs draftsmen. Owing to the very small numbers involved,
it is anticipated that her office will not be overburdened by
complaint.
The order
has passed through the required statutory approval procedure, and it
has been considered and approved by the legal services consultative
panel, the Office of Fair Trading and the senior judiciary. As a
result, I hope that it will have the Committees full support.
If the order is approved, it is anticipated that the Legal Services
Bill will be amended to include the ALCD on the list of approved
regulators. I commend the order to the
House.
4.35
pm
Mr.
Jonathan Djanogly (Huntingdon) (Con): As the Minister has
said, the order is not controversial, and it is made pursuant to the
Courts and Legal Services Act 1990. However, I would be grateful if the
Minister were to explain what procedures the association will follow in
granting such rights to its members, and when the proposed
qualification regulations are likely to come into force. Also, what
disciplinary procedures will the association introduce for those
members with rights of audience and rights to litigate in court? We are
pleased that the order has the approval of the consultative panel
established by the 1990 Act, and, as the Minister has said, of the
Office of Fair Trading and of the designated
justices.
4.36
pm
Norman
Baker (Lewes) (LD): This is a hugely controversial matter
that will detain us for some time. Oh, sorry, that is the next
statutory instrument I am doing.
Bridget
Prentice: Tomorrow.
Norman
Baker: Tomorrow. No, the order is quite uncontroversial,
and it has the support of us all, so Opposition Members who wish to
undertake other activities will be free to do so
shortly.
I have a few
points briefly to raise with the Minister. First, I welcome the
extension of jurisdiction for the legal services ombudsman, which seems
entirely sensible, although I am slightly surprised that it is not
being undertaken coterminously. When will the jurisdiction be extended,
and when will the relevant statutory instrument be introduced? The two
measures ought to be introduced at the same time.
Secondly, although the proposal appears uncontroversial
to me and my hon. Friends, was any opposition expressed to it? If
so, what were the elements of that opposition and have they been satisfied?
The extension to the ALCD application was cut back following some
comments, so perhaps that answers my question; however, were any other
arguments put about which the Minister has concerns?
Finally,
will the order be subject to review? The legal services ombudsman
exercises a review of sorts by dealing with complaints as and when they
arise, but given that the arrangement is a relatively new departure,
will Ministers and others in 12 or 18 months time be able to
consider how the new arrangements are working, so that they can take
steps to amend them, if appropriate, in either
direction?
4.38
pm
Bridget
Prentice: In answer to the hon. Member for Huntingdon, the law
costs draftsmen will have those new rights, if they are fellows of
the ALCD. That
means that they have met the associations educational training
and professional indemnity insurance requirements, completed no less
than seven years practical experience and completed a minimum
of seven hours continuing professional development annually to
ensure that their skills remain up to date. As I have said, that should
cover about 500 draftsmen.
In
answer to the hon. Member for Lewes, a second statutory instrument will
be laid in two weeks time to extend the jurisdiction of the
legal services ombudsman. The order is subject to the negative
resolution procedure, and it will come into effect on 5 January, so the
two orders will in effect be coterminous. I am not aware of any
outstanding concerns about the extension of the rights of audience. Of
course, law costs draftsmen will be able to appear in court only to
discuss costs, and not any other aspect of any form of legal
service.
Norman
Baker: On the review, will there be an opportunity to
examine how the measure works in
practice?
Bridget
Prentice: Yes; the Legal Services Bill will change the way
in which legal services are reviewed, and the ALCD will come within
that. The arrangement will be reviewed, and the relevant activities
will come under regulation by the legal services board, which will
consider the licensing of all regulatorsanyone who is not up to
scratch could have their licence removed. In that respect, there is
proper cover; however, as I have said, there is at the moment a power
to revoke, and, if the necessity arises, there will be such a power
through the LSB.
Question put and agreed
to.
Committee
rose at nineteen minutes to Five
oclock.