The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Benyon,
Mr. Richard
(Newbury)
(Con)
Burrowes,
Mr. David
(Enfield, Southgate)
(Con)
Butler,
Ms Dawn
(Brent, South)
(Lab)
Coffey,
Ann
(Stockport)
(Lab)
Davey,
Mr. Edward
(Kingston and Surbiton)
(LD)
Djanogly,
Mr. Jonathan
(Huntingdon)
(Con)
Ellwood,
Mr. Tobias
(Bournemouth, East)
(Con)
Ennis,
Jeff
(Barnsley, East and Mexborough)
(Lab)
Fitzpatrick,
Jim
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Trade and
Industry)
Gilroy,
Linda
(Plymouth, Sutton)
(Lab/Co-op)
Howarth,
David
(Cambridge)
(LD)
Howarth,
Mr. George
(Knowsley, North and Sefton, East)
(Lab)
McCabe,
Steve
(Birmingham, Hall Green)
(Lab)
McDonnell,
John
(Hayes and Harlington)
(Lab)
McGovern,
Mr. Jim
(Dundee, West)
(Lab)
Penning,
Mike
(Hemel Hempstead)
(Con)
Tipping,
Paddy
(Sherwood)
(Lab)
James
Davies, Committee
Clerk
attended the Committee
First
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 18
December
2006
[Hywel
Williams in the
Chair]
Draft Employment Act 2002 (Amendment of Schedules 3, 4 and 5) Order 2006
4.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Trade and Industry (Jim
Fitzpatrick): I beg to
move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Employment Act 2002 (Amendment of
Schedules 3, 4 and 5) Order
2006.
In short, the
order, which was laid before the House on 23 November, adds three
employment rights jurisdictions to the list of jurisdictions contained
in schedules 3, 4 and 5 to the Employment Act 2002, bringing those
three jurisdictions within the scope of the statutory grievance
procedures introduced by that Act. Before describing the order in more
detail, I shall briefly describe the statutory grievance
procedure.
The
Employment Act 2002 introduced a broad framework to improve the
handling of individual grievances in the workplace. The main aim of the
provisions is to encourage employers and employees to resolve employee
grievances early through greater dialogue rather than through
litigation. The procedure introduced minimum standards for the handling
of grievances which were based on the existing practices of employers.
The broad framework was built upon by the Employment Act 2002 (Dispute
Resolution) Regulations 2004, which set out in more detail how the
procedures would
operate.
The 2002 Act
contains a three-step procedure designed to encourage the resolution of
grievances. These require the employee to set out the grievance in
writing and for the employer and the employee to meet to discuss the
grievance. The procedure also contains a final appeal stage. A failure
to observe the three-step procedure has consequences for both parties
in the event that a complaint is made to an employment tribunal. In the
case of employees, a failure to observe the procedure could mean that
in certain circumstances the tribunal would not consider their
complaints. However, if their complaint was heard and it was
successful, the tribunal could reduce the amount of any award of
compensation. In the case of employers, a failure by them to follow the
grievance procedure could result in the award being increased. The
award could also be increased if the employer had failed to provide an
accurate or complete written statement of employment particulars to the
employee who had brought the complaint.
Schedule 3 to
the 2002 Act lists those jurisdictions where an award for compensation
may be adjusted because there was a failure by either the employer or
the employee to follow the disputes resolution procedures. Schedule 4
lists those jurisdictions where employees may not make a complaint to a
tribunal because they have not followed the statutory grievance
procedure.
Schedule 5 lists those jurisdictions where an additional award may be
made because the employer failed to provide a written statement in the
proper
form.
I
turn now to the order. Article 2 identifies the three jurisdictions to
be added to the lists in schedules 3, 4 and 5. The three
jurisdictions are similar in nature and it may assist hon. Members if I
briefly outline which each deals with. The European Public
Limited-Liability Company Regulations 2004 introduced a framework for
the creation of the European company. When creating a European company,
the managements should consult employees about the nature and level of
the future employee involvement in the company. Typically, this will
involve the creation of a special negotiating body comprising employee
representatives with which the management should negotiate for this
purpose.
The
Information and Consultation of Employee Regulations 2004 create a
mechanism for employers to inform and consult employees about ongoing
matters in the workplace. Provided that they satisfy certain criteria,
employees can request an information and consultation agreement. Once
employees have formally requested such an agreement, the employer must
negotiate the precise terms of the agreement with employee
representatives. The Occupational and Personal Pension Schemes
(Consultation by Employers and Miscellaneous Amendment) Regulations
2006 ensure that employers are required to consult affected employees
or their representatives when they are planning to make a listed or
significant change to pension arrangements.
In all three cases, the employer
has dealings with employee representatives in some form. Each of the
three sets of regulations provides protections against detriment for
their respective employee representatives or in some cases for the
employee themselves. Article 2 identifies those parts of the
regulations that provide the detriment protection and inserts them into
the three schedules.
The order will therefore ensure
that when individuals believe that they have been treated detrimentally
under any of those three jurisdictions, they will be encouraged to use
the statutory grievance procedure before making a claim to an
employment tribunal. Article 3 of the order provides transitional
provision. Schedules 3, 4 and 5 already cover similar jurisdictions:
for example, they already mention the protections against detriment for
employee representatives appointed under the Transnational Information
and Consultation of Employees Regulations 1999. The order, therefore,
creates consistent treatment for like
jurisdictions.
In
preparing the order, the Department of Trade and Industry carried out a
three-month public consultation between May and August 2006. Some 12
responses were received, including from the Confederation of British
Industry and the Trades Union Congress. Respondents were generally
content with the proposed order and agreed with our assessment that the
provisions would not be costly or burdensome to implement. The order
makes some technical changes to certain schedules to the 2002 Act,
bringing them up to date with subsequent legislative changes,
and will ensure consistent treatment by the tribunals of similar
jurisdictions. I commend the order to the
Committee.
4.36
pm
Mr.
Tobias Ellwood (Bournemouth, East) (Con): I think this is
the first time that I have served under your tutelage, Mr.
Williams. I am grateful to do so.
I hope not to detain the
Committee for any longer than is necessary. The Opposition generally
support the order, which will ensure that the dispute resolution
framework, set out in the Employment Act 2002, will apply to three new
areas, as the Minister said. We welcome any measures that will
encourage more employers to engage in information and consultation
activity. Voluntary measures, such as those before us, will provide the
flexibility needed in dispute
resolution.
Conflict
between employers and employees is always very tricky and we welcome
anything that the Government can do to ensure that the system is
transparent, fair and swift in order to reconcile grievances. However,
I took the opportunity to look over the report of the relevant
Committee debate in the House of Lords. Some of the answers from the
Government were not as full or concise as we would have liked so I
shall try to tease out from the Minister some further
details.
There
is a concern about the overall cost of the statutory dispute resolution
procedure. I understand that there has been some feedback from the
Institute of Directors, which says that the procedures introduced in
2004 have made dispute resolution more costly in terms of time and
money. The Employment Lawyers Association made similar comments on the
cost of the procedure. We therefore welcome the Governments
decision to review the framework for dispute resolution, but it would
be nice to understand the cost implications better. The Government have
admitted that
changes to
the various components of the current system could produce real
benefits for businesses and individuals, by reducing the time, cost and
stress involved in settling disputes.[Official
Report, 7 December 2006; Vol. 454, c.
33WS.]
I understand that in order
to do that they are reviewing the Employment Act 2002 (Dispute
Resolution) Regulations 2004. The Minister mentioned consultation. Did
that include a review of dispute resolution? If not, would it have been
more sensible to have waited and implemented the regulations following
feedback from that review? Other than that, I am glad to say that the
Opposition support the measures before the
Committee.
4.39
pm
David
Howarth (Cambridge) (LD): This is also the first time that
I have served under your chairmanship, Mr. Williams. It is a
great pleasure to do
so.
The hon. Member for
Bournemouth, East raised the difficulty with the orderthe
Government have proposed a review of this area of law. The 2002 Act
made many changes to dispute resolution procedures, some of which were
clearly not in the interests of employees, although others were in
their favour. It seems odd that the Government should seek to legislate
on three further jurisdictions in advance of that review.
That point was raised
not just by the Institute of Directors, but by the GMB and the National
Association of Schoolmasters Union of Women Teachers during
consultation. The Government should explain formally why they are
legislating now rather
than waiting for the review. There is an associated problem with the
regulatory impact assessment that covers this order. The assessment
that we have before us says simply that what is being done now was
anticipated by the regulatory impact assessment for the 2004
regulations. The assessment says that there is no need to carry out a
new assessment, as the extra cases that came within the scope of this
part of the 2002 Act were already taken into account. It assumes simply
that the 2004 assessment was correct, which seems to be a strange thing
to do just before carrying out a review that will establish whether
that position was correct.
The review
must explain, for example, what is happening with the cases that are
not backed by the tribunal in which an employee is told that they have
not gone through the procedure. The evidence from the NASUWT was that
the tribunals reject about 1,000 claims each week. That does not mean
they are rejected completely, as they can be brought back, but the
NASUWT said that only 10 per cent. come back to the tribunal. Why is
that? It could be that the 2002 Act has succeeded completely and that
all 900 employee applications are resolved by internal procedures to
the satisfaction of the employee and the employer. If that is the case,
everything is fine: money has been saved by avoiding formal procedures
and the purpose of the 2002 Act has been fulfilled. On the other hand,
it is possible that extra bureaucracy is discouraging people from
enforcing their rights. If that is the case, and the vast number of
those provisions that are already covered by the schedules to the 2002
Act are discouraging employees from enforcing their rights, why should
we take that further with these three extra jurisdictions? I gather
that they might lead to the rejection by the tribunal of a few hundred
cases each year.
There
is another, related problem with the regulatory impact assessment. It
is obviously a big problem with this sort of change in the law that
employees will be disadvantaged by not knowing what their new rights
are and what they have to do. Page 18 of the 2004 assessment, which is
still being relied upon for this order, states:
Lack of awareness should
hopefully not be a significant problem because of the initial guidance
and advice campaign, and the ongoing...advice of
Acas.
There
are problems with that. First, with these three jurisdictions, there
will presumably not be a national information campaign. The Minister
might correct me about that, but I presume that this is not a big
enough change for there to be a national information campaign.
Secondly, there is a problem with the word hopefully.
In 2004, it was said that employees would hopefully not
be disadvantaged because they would know what their new rights were,
but what really happened? I am reluctant to legislate on the basis of a
hope that has not been reviewed. If the Government have information
about precisely what happened and it turns out that there is no need
for people in my constituency to worry, I am perfectly willing to
accept that.
There are
a number of problems, not only with this part of the 2002 Act but with
all the changes relating to dispute resolution, such as the changes to
the way in which the law dealt with procedural problems in dismissals.
I am content to listen to what the Minister says about those
difficulties and, if he comes back with a satisfactory reply, I will
not object to the order.
4.44
pm
Jim
Fitzpatrick: Both the hon. Member for Bournemouth, East,
and the hon. Member for Cambridge raised legitimate questions as to why
we are introducing these provisions. The Secretary of State at the
time, my right hon. Friend the. Member for Kingston upon Hull, West and
Hessle, made a commitment during the passage of the Bill that there
would be a review of the regulations after two years, so that was
always going to happen. Subsequent to that commitment, in the past two
years there has been anecdotal evidence, to which the Conservative
Front-Bench spokesman alluded, that the anticipated gains were not
being won, and that the procedure was still costly and not simplified
as was anticipated. The hon. Member for Cambridge referred to the
discussion that took place at that time. To satisfy both sides of
industry we have given a commitment that we will consider attempting to
simplify the procedures, which means examining all the available
evidence.
The Government
and my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry
have appointed Michael Gibbons to conduct the review to identify the
nature of the problems that occur, the costs to industry and how best
to mitigate them. He will report early next year with recommendations
for improving the procedure, because although the number of disputes
going to employment tribunals dipped in the first year, they are now at
the same level they were two years ago. We have not made the progress
that we wanted, although the evidence is not there to show it. That is
why Michael Gibbons will examine the situation, take evidence, consider
how the situation could be improved and make progress on that
basis.
The number of
cases that we are expecting as a result of the regulations is not as
the hon. Member for Cambridge suggested. We anticipate that there will
be very fewthe assessment is that there will be not more than a
handfulon the basis of the evidence of other cases in similar
jurisdictions. Therefore, we do not think it will have a burdensome
effect on employers or on the system. The number of claims that are
rejected
David
Howarth: It was not the burdensome effect of the changes
on employers that worried me but the removal of the rights of
employees. I gathered from the impact assessment that they would be
numbered in hundreds, rather than being just a
handful.
Jim
Fitzpatrick: That is certainly not our assessment. We
introduced the disputes resolution procedure not just to lighten the
burden on industry but to ensure that fairness in the workplace, which
is the ethos of our document Success at Work, permeates
business, industry and commerce. That will ensure that when problems
arise in the workplace the simplest and best resolution procedures are
in place to allow both employees and employers to resolve the issue as
simply as possible. That was the intention of the original regulations.
As I said, we thought that the number of grievances and disputes going
to employment tribunals would fall, but that has not quite been the
case. We shall examine the evidence to identify why not and make
recommendations on the best way forward.
The figures for rejections will
be considered as part of the evidence and they will be in the public
domain in due course. We will have a more informed discussion when
Michael Gibbons has conducted his exercise.
Extensive guidance and support is already available; employees are being
given the best protection, but the situation has not improved as we
thought it
would.
Guidance
for employers was asked for, and I can tell the Committee that there is
already extensive guidance on the application of disputes resolution
procedures in the ACAS code of practice on disciplinary and grievance
procedures. We will ensure that any freestanding guidance on the three
jurisdictions will reflect the change proposed by the draft statutory
instrument. The proposed change would come into force on 6 April 2007
in line with our commencement date policy. That will allow almost four
months for employers to assimilate the changes we are discussing, which
I hope that the Committee will agree
to.
Opposition
Members asked why we are making these changes now, when a review is
taking place, which is a relevant question. There are several reasons.
The jurisdictions fit in tidily with jurisdictions and rights in other
legislation so there is no conflictthis is a tidying exercise.
Furthermore, we cannot pre-empt what the review will throw up or
anticipate whether it will be contradictory or complementary to the
order. Notwithstanding the reviews findings, its
recommendations will have to be consulted on and go through
parliamentary procedure so it might be some time before they are
adopted. We are introducing the order now to tidy up the procedure as
it is at the
moment.
Mr.
George Howarth (Knowsley, North and Sefton, East) (Lab):
Is not the point that the proposed review will presumably be able to
assess the impact of the order alongside a whole spectrum of other
issues? Nothing will be
lost.
Jim
Fitzpatrick: Arrangements are in place. If we pass the
order today, it will not come into force until April next year and
Mr. Gibbons has been asked to report early next year so we
might not have time to assess it fully. However, the word will be out
there and I am sure that his assessment will take into account the fact
that the House has indicated its direction of travel with this tidying
exercise. He has to take into account any evidence resulting from
todays
decision.
As I have
said, the order will ensure that the three jurisdictions will be
treated identically to similar ones in the schedules already. I commend
the order to the
Committee.
The
Committee divided: Ayes 9, Noes
1.
Division
No.
1]
Question
accordingly agreed to.
Resolved,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Employment Act 2002 (Amendment
of Schedules 3, 4 and 5) Order
2006.
Committee rose
at six minutes to Five
oclock.