The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Bacon,
Mr. Richard
(South Norfolk)
(Con)
Blunt,
Mr. Crispin
(Reigate)
(Con)
Browne,
Mr. Jeremy
(Taunton)
(LD)
Campbell,
Mr. Alan
(Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)
Chapman,
Ben
(Wirral, South)
(Lab)
Clappison,
Mr. James
(Hertsmere)
(Con)
Clegg,
Mr. Nick
(Sheffield, Hallam)
(LD)
Crabb,
Mr. Stephen
(Preseli Pembrokeshire)
(Con)
Dowd,
Jim
(Lewisham, West)
(Lab)
Grieve,
Mr. Dominic
(Beaconsfield)
(Con)
Gwynne,
Andrew
(Denton and Reddish)
(Lab)
Hillier,
Meg
(Hackney, South and Shoreditch)
(Lab/Co-op)
Love,
Mr. Andrew
(Edmonton)
(Lab/Co-op)
Ryan,
Joan
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home
Department)
Simon,
Mr. Siôn
(Birmingham, Erdington)
(Lab)
Thornberry,
Emily
(Islington, South and Finsbury)
(Lab)
Wyatt,
Derek
(Sittingbourne and Sheppey)
(Lab)
Mr.
Mark Oxborough, Committee
Clerk
attended the Committee
First
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday
25 June
2007
[Derek
Conway
in the
Chair]
Draft Extradition Act 2003 (Amendment to Designations) Order 2007
4.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department (Joan
Ryan):
I beg to
move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Extradition Act 2003 (Amendment to
Designations) Order
2007.
The order is
further secondary legislation required to amend the Extradition Act
2003 (Designation of Part 1 Territories) Order 2003 and the Extradition
Act 2003 (Designation of Part 2 Territories) Order
2003.
This
statutory instrument affects the UKs extradition arrangements
with three countries: Algeria, Gibraltar and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
The order reflects the fact that the UK and Algeria signed a bilateral
extradition treaty on 11 July 2006 and exchanged instruments of
ratification on 25 February 2007. Designation of Algeria as a category
2 territory will bring that treaty into force in the United
Kingdom.
The
extradition treaty between the United Kingdom and Algeria, signed by my
right hon. Friend the Home Secretary and the Algerian Justice Minister
on 11 July 2006, is one of a package of measures, including treaties on
mutual legal assistance in criminal matters, judicial co-operation in
civil and commercial matters, an agreement on the readmission, and an
exchange of letters between the Prime Minister and the President of
Algeria. Those letters form the basis of the deportation with
assurances
procedure.
The
measures are designed to increase co-operation between our two
countries. The extradition treaty allows extradition to be requested
for any offence that in the United Kingdom and Algeria attracts a
maximum penalty of at least 12 months. The evidential requirement set
out in the treaty means that both the United Kingdom and Algeria must
provide a prima facie evidential case against any person whom they wish
to
extradite.
Currently,
there are no formal extradition arrangements between the United Kingdom
and Algeria except for a number of international conventions to which
we are both parties and which deal with a limited number of specific
offences, mostly associated with terrorism. The introduction of a
formal basis for extradition for conduct covered by the UK-Algeria
treaty will lead to a more efficient and effective extradition process
between the two
countries.
Mr.
Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield) (Con): Will the Minister
explain the relationship between the treaty and how we are implementing
it here, on the one hand, and the memorandum of
understanding reached between the United Kingdom and Algeria concerning
terrorism cases, on the other? To what extent would that ensure that an
extradited individual was not tortured or subjected to cruel or inhuman
treatment?
Joan
Ryan:
I shall come to that in a little more detail later.
I should say to the hon. Gentleman that we have confidence because of
the co-operation that we have received in the cases of deportation with
assurances, of which there have been at least seven. We are therefore
not seeking a memorandum of understanding on this matter. Furthermore,
there is the recent history: for instance, the reforms in Algeria and
the charter for peace and national reconciliation of 2004 and how that
is working.
As I was
saying, the treaty will lead to a more efficient and effective process
for extradition between the two countries. That will be preferable to
relying on the ad hoc provisions in domestic extradition law for the
many offences, including really serious ones such as murder and rape,
that do not fall under the international conventions to which I have
referred.
One
advantage of the new arrangements is that they will
improve our ability to achieve justice for British victims of serious
crime. For clarity, I add that although deportation and extradition
procedures are distinct, the principle of relying on credible
assurances should be as applicable to extradition as it has been to
deportation. The hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grieve)
asked about the relationship between the extradition treaty and the
memorandum of understanding. The treaty deals only with extradition and
the memorandum deals only with immigration removals, so there is no
overlap between them.
The order designates Gibraltar
as a category 1 territory. Gibraltar has implemented its own
legislation to give effect to the streamlined and
simplified European arrest warrant. Although it is not an EU member
state, article 299.4 of the 1993 treaty on the European Union provides
that it applies to
the
European territories for whose external relations a Member State is
responsible.
In
addition, article 33 of the 2002 Council framework decision on the
European arrest warrant confirms that those arrangements apply to
Gibraltar.
Gibraltar
has designated the UK as a state for the purposes of the European
arrest warrant, and has incorporated the warrant into its legislation.
Likewise, the UK needs to designate Gibraltar as a
part 1 territory so that extraditions between the UK and Gibraltar can
be effected via the European arrest warrant procedure. The order amends
the relevant measures in the Act accordingly, and will ensure that the
UK continues to comply with its obligations under the framework
decision. Gibraltar will thus become the 27th territory to which
European arrest warrant procedures will apply to extradition
arrangements with the
UK.
The Committee will
know that statutory instrument 2006 No. 3451 designated Bosnia and
Herzegovina as an extradition partner under the European convention on
extradition. The order before the Committee reflects the fact that the
time limit under that convention in which a requesting state must
submit full extradition papers in support of requests regarding
provisional arrests that have been made is now 40 days, rather than the
longer 60-day limit in the old UK-Yugoslav bilateral extradition treaty
that previously governed our extradition relations with Bosnia and
Herzegovina.
The amendments are
necessary to ensure that the UK is able to comply
with its obligations under the relevant international extradition
agreements. Given those explanations, I hope that the Committee will
agree to the
order.
4.38
pm
Mr.
Grieve: I welcome you to the Chair, Mr. Conway,
and I also welcome the Minister. I can tell her that the official
Opposition do not intend to divide the Committee on this matter,
although we do require some reassurances. I have nothing to ask her
about the measures concerning Gibraltar and Bosnia and Herzegovina, as
I can see their logic, but I wish to press her a little further about
the position with Algeria.
I fully understand that our
regimes for deportation and extradition are separate matters, but there
is a practical overlap between them. We currently deport to Algeria,
and have sought to do so under the memorandum of understanding that we
drew up with the Algerian Government, individuals who might be wanted
for prosecution by the Algerian Governmentthat is perfectly
possible given that those individuals have been suspected of terrorism
in the UK domestic context. We are now introducing a system whereby the
Algerian Government may seek the extradition of such individuals quite
separately from any issue as to whether we wish to deport them. It
would be helpful if the Minister could provide some
reassuranceI think that she would have no difficulty in doing
sothat, irrespective of whether Algeria is included as a part 2
country, it remains the case that it would be open to any person whose
extradition is sought to challenge that process, on the basis that a
fair trial would be impossible in Algeria or that they would be likely
to suffer cruel or inhuman punishment or torture if the extradition
were to take place. It would be helpful if the Minister could put that
point on the record, because it is of fundamental importance. As I
understand it, this measure in no way removes that possibility to
challenge the
process.
However, if I
have understood part 2 correctly, it remains the case that what would
disappear as a result of part 2 being implemented is any discretion on
the part of the Secretary of State to forbid extradition on any
grounds; the matter is effectively placed entirely in the hands of the
judiciary. Could the Minister confirm that I have understood that
correctly and that that is indeed the position under the new part 2
regime? If that is the case, have the Government considered carefully
the problems that may arise as a result of removing any kind of
executive capacity to intervene in cases that may cause public
controversy?
The
Minister will be aware that, whereas part 1 seems to have operated with
almost minimal difficulty since it was implemented, part 2 appears to
create a number of areas of public disquiet, often in widely differing
contexts. One example is, of course, the United States of America, in
terms of the perceptions of the draconian nature of the punishments
that may be meted out to individuals who are extradited there, compared
with the punishments that they might receive in this country. There are
also anxieties about whether fair trials are possible, even if it has
been assessed that due process of law is something that would normally
be sought in the country concerned.
As the Minister will be aware,
this measure could give rise to controversial cases that might cause
public disquiet. Therefore, it would be very helpful
if, in her response, she could outline whether the Government have made
a full assessment of that issue. It would also be helpful if she could
address the specific points that I have raised: first, ministerial
discretion in this area, or what will remain of it; and secondly, the
ability to challenge extradition, on the basis of a potential violation
of human rights under the European convention on human
rights.
4.43
pm
Mr.
Nick Clegg (Sheffield, Hallam) (LD): It is a pleasure to
see you in the Chair, Mr.
Conway.
I would like
to thank the Minister for her explanation of the measure that we are
considering today. I realise that this is obviously a sensitive area;
extradition has been the subject of heated debate in recent times. As a
principle, we fully support the notion that the Government should seek
to enter into these agreementsmemorandums of understanding, as
they are called as far as deportations are concerned, and conventional
treaties, as they are called as far as extradition is concerned. We
also accept that this is clearly a very difficult area, because one is
dealing with jurisdictions that are very different in their history,
composition, institutional architecture and culture.
However, it seems to me not
unduly controversial to say that when one is dealing with such a
country as Algeria, with its well documented record of systematic human
rights abusesif any hon. Member doubts that record, I would
refer them to last years Amnesty International report on
Algeria and the activities of the notorious DRS, the feared military
policeI would hope that all Members from all parties would
accept that the bar needs to be set especially high, to secure the
assurances necessary that any bilateral agreement does not lead,
unwittingly or otherwise, to an abuse of due process and the human
rights of those
involved.
To that end,
I seek to press the Minister a little further on the degree to which
the terms of the convention are verifiably, rigorously and
independently monitored. That probably applies to the
bilateral extradition arrangements that are being entered into as much
as to the bilateral deportation arrangements that have already been
entered into. What is the role of the relevant United Nations bodies in
ensuring a sense of independence in the monitoring of Algerias
respect for those bilateral agreements? What role, if any, is there for
third parties, such as authoritative non-governmental organisations, to
verify the manner in which the agreements are respected in
practice?
That is
especially important given thatI hope that it is not unfair to
Algeria to point this outthere is some discrepancy between what
can be said in political and official circles by Government
representatives and what occurs on the ground beyond the immediate
remit of officialdom. Notwithstanding the fact that Algeria is, I
think, a signatory of the UN convention on torture, we know that
serious reservations remain about whether that legal obligation is met
in practice, particularly in parts of the country that are difficult to
reach and where practices can be obscured from external
inspection.
In view of those doubts, which I
hope the Minister will agree are reasoned and reasonable, does she
agree that it is at least questionable whether it is right to remove
the Home Secretary s discretion to judge individual extradition
requests from Algeria, which will be one of the three principal effects
of adding Algeria to the list of countries under part 2 of the
Extradition Act 2003? If I understand the measure correctly, it will
have three main effects. It will remove the duplicated, overlapping
roles of the courts and Ministers created by the Extradition Act 1989
and it will create a streamlined appeals procedure. I am comfortable
with both those effects. The third effect will be a reduced role for
the Secretary of State and the removal of his broad
discretion.
I
acknowledge that, in a sense, I am pulling in two different directions.
In other contexts, I would argue that that the judiciary, immune from
political interference, should take the lead in making decisions in
such cases. So acute are the well documented reservations about
Algerias ability to respect some of the accords into which it
has entered and to respect the human rights and civil liberties norms
that we expect of it, however, that a degree of discretion should be
retained until those doubts are dismissed and the requirements for
independent monitoring are fully met.
I realise that there
is a world of difference between designating a country as a part 2
country under the 2003 Act and further designating a country under
article 3 of the Extradition Act 2003 (Designation of Part 2
Territories) Order 2003, which was where the controversy about the
United States emanated from. If I understand the legislation correctly,
it is from countries listed under article 3 that the prima facie
evidential burden is removed. Will the Minister make it absolutely
clear whether moving Algeria into part 2 will mean there is a
presumption that there will be a move towards further designation under
article 3 in the future? As she will understand, I am very uneasy about
Algerias designation under part 2, but I would be implacably
opposed to the idea that it would mean a precedent had been set towards
further designation under article 3.
4.49
pm
Joan
Ryan:
I start by thanking Opposition Members for their
support for the measures. I understand their desire further to probe
the matters. To answer the final point that the hon. Member for
Sheffield, Hallam (Mr. Clegg) made, there is no presumption
in the order about any future action. Any future proposals would have
to come before Parliament. It is important that we clarify that
immediately.
Perhaps I
could say a little about progressprogress in our relationship
with Algeria and the progress that Algeria itself has made. It has
changed dramatically during the past decade, and President Bouteflika
announced the charter for peace and national
reconciliation in 2004, which has resulted in significant movement and
progress. It granted an amnesty to those who were convicted of
terrorism offences or were prepared to surrender themselves to the
security services, and that extended to Government security
forces.
Since then, significant
improvement in Algeria has given us confidence, particularly in
relation to human rights. The Algerian Government continue to pursue a
programme of reform with major changes to the judicial system,
including revision of the family code. One change has made torture a
criminal offence, which is the least we expect to enable us to move to
this arrangement.
Plans to modernise the prison
service are in place. The UK supports those reforms, and we sponsored a
visit to London by the Algerian Minister for Justice to examine our
judiciarys working methods and our prison service. We are
facilitating contact between the Algerian prison service and the
International Centre for Prison Studies. A lot of joint working is
taking place, and we believe that we are having a good influence on
progress.
Deportation
with assurances strongly reassures us. Since June 2006, seven
individuals have voluntarily withdrawn or waived their appeals against
deportation to Algeria and have been deported. Although we do not have
a formal monitoring body in Algeria, we are satisfied that we can
deport terrorist suspects without breaching the UKs domestic
and international human rights obligations. We base that judgment on
the changing circumstances in Algeria, and on our contact with the
Algerian Government and individual
deportees.
I can tell
the hon. Member for Beaconsfield that, having successfully deported
individuals to Algeria, the human rights requirement applied by the UK
courts that approve deportation are the same as will be applied in
future extradition cases, which is the point of his concern.
Removal of the Secretary of States broad discretion
had the objective of removing the overlapping and duplicated roles of
courts and Ministers. Human rights issues are now exclusively the
preserve of the courts, which are well qualified to consider such
issues.
The Secretary
of State retains the responsibility to consider three factors. The
first is the death penalty. Extradition is barred if there is a risk of
the death penalty, and if the Secretary of State does not receive a
guarantee that it will not be carried out, we will not extradite. The
second is speciality. Extradition is barred if no speciality
arrangements are in place with the requesting state, so someone can be
tried only for the offences for which he or she was extradited. The
third is onward extradition. Extradition is barred if the person was
previously extradited to the United Kingdom and the first state has not
given permission for their onward extradition to the third state. Only
those three issues remain to be considered by the Secretary of
State.
Mr.
Jeremy Browne (Taunton) (LD): On the death penalty, can
the Minister tell the Committee how many people in Algeria annually are
committed to death by the state, whether the number is rising or
declining, and whether the Algerians have given assurances in that
regard and later reneged on
them?
Joan
Ryan:
We are reassured about deportations to Algeria and
our memorandums of understanding because there has not been a case in
which they have been breached. I understand that there has been a
moratorium in Algeria since 2003, so we do not have any recent figures
because they are not there to be had, but I will write to the hon.
Gentleman and give him any further information that is
available.
I hope that
I have covered the important points that Opposition Members have
raised. I am satisfied that human rights rest in the hands of the
judiciary, and if our judiciary believed that human rights would be
breached, they would not order extradition.
On the basis that we are making
progress with Algeria and that the order will bring people to justice,
which is what we all want that, I ask the Committee to support
it.
Question put
and agreed
to.
Resolved,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Extradition Act 2003 (Amendment
to Designations) Order
2007.
Committee
rose at four minutes to Five
oclock.