The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Ann
Winterton
Byers,
Mr. Stephen
(North Tyneside)
(Lab)
Byrne,
Mr. Liam
(Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and
Nationality)
Campbell,
Mr. Alan
(Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)Featherstone,
Lynne
(Hornsey and Wood Green)
(LD)
Green,
Damian
(Ashford)
(Con)
Hall,
Mr. Mike
(Weaver Vale)
(Lab)
Lancaster,
Mr. Mark
(North-East Milton Keynes)
(Con)
McDonagh,
Siobhain
(Mitcham and Morden)
(Lab)
Mahmood,
Mr. Khalid
(Birmingham, Perry Barr)
(Lab)
Marris,
Rob
(Wolverhampton, South-West)
(Lab)
Purchase,
Mr. Ken
(Wolverhampton, North-East)
(Lab/Co-op)
Russell,
Bob
(Colchester)
(LD)
Touhig,
Mr. Don
(Islwyn)
(Lab/Co-op)
Walter,
Mr. Robert
(North Dorset)
(Con)
Wills,
Mr. Michael
(North Swindon)
(Lab)
Wilson,
Mr. Rob
(Reading, East)
(Con)
Wright,
Jeremy
(Rugby and Kenilworth)
(Con)
Gordon
Clarke, Committee
Clerk
attended the Committee
Thirteenth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Thursday 7
December
2006
[Ann
Winterton in the
Chair]
Draft Asylum (First List of Safe Countries) (Amendment) Order 2006
2.30
pm
The
Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and Nationality (Mr.
Liam Byrne): I beg to move,
That the Committee has
considered the draft Asylum (First List of Safe Countries) (Amendment)
Order 2006.
The
Chairman: With this it will be convenient to consider the
draft Accession (Immigration and Worker Authorisation) Regulations
2006.
Mr.
Byrne: I shall speak to the first order and then to
the second.
The draft
Asylum (First List of Safe Countries) (Amendment) Order 2006 adds
Bulgaria and Romania to the first list of safe third countries. It is
not about nationals of Bulgaria and Romania; a safe third country is
not the country of origin of an individual. Therefore, by using the
provisions, the UK is not denying its responsibility to consider wider
asylum claims. It is an established international principle that third
countries can remove asylum applicants to a safe third country, which
is then responsible for dealing with the claim. That safe country must
satisfy us that an individual will not be persecuted or removed in
breach of the refugee convention or the European convention on human
rights. It is our intention that the order should come into force on 1
January 2007.
The
draft Accession (Immigration and Worker Authorisation) Regulations 2006
concern access for workers from Bulgaria and Romania to the labour
market in this country after those countries accede to the EU on 1
January 2007. One of the great privileges of my job is that I am not
short of advice. Everyone has an opinion and people have not been
reticent in coming forward. The decision was much debated over the
summer. We think that the accession of the A8 countries has been of
enormous benefit to the UK. Billions have been added to the output of
the economy, and new immigrants have made important additions to our
public services and other sectors.
However, there have been
transitional and isolated impacts on public services. The choice that
confronts us is not whether to shut people from Bulgaria and Romania
out and keep them out for ever. The choice that the Government have to
make is how quickly to open the door. The decision that we have made is
to open the door gradually, and to use the time that that decision buys
to reflect more on the evidence of transitional impacts. That way, we
can satisfy ourselves that they are isolated examples, and that we have
the right remedial measures and policies in place.
The restrictions that we propose
are not intended, therefore, to set back the existing rights of
Bulgarians and Romanians to come and work in this country. However,
those workers who come here to work in low-skilled areas of the economy
are constrained to two specific parts of the economythe
agricultural sector and the food processing sector. Highly skilled
migrants will not need to obtain work authorisation
documentsthey can apply under existing provisions. The same is
true of students, who can apply to come to work and study in the UK as
now. Nor can we place restrictions on the self-employed, although we
can take measures to ensure that people are really working as
self-employed, and are not simply posing as such. I am discussing those
measures with the Paymaster General. The quota of low-skilled workers
will stand at 19,750.
We are also proposing to take
new powers to enforce the system. It will be an offence for an employer
to employ a Bulgarian or Romanian national who needs but does not have
a work authorisation document, or who is undertaking work other than
that specified in the document. Employers will have a defence if they
have been presented with false documents. In that situation, individual
workers will be committing an offence for which they may face
prosecution, although that will be waived if they pay a fixed penalty.
It will also be an offence for a Bulgarian or Romanian national to
obtain a work authorisation card by deception. In implementing the
system, we are catering for the needs of law-abiding employers. We are
introducing and investing in an information campaign for them, backed
by a toolkit and a helpline, which we shall strengthen in the new year.
We shall thus be able to provide employers quickly with information on
their rights and obligations. We are also working with the
International Organisation for Migration to provide Bulgarian and
Romanian nationals with information on how the rules will function.
That information will stress to prospective migrants the need to check
their rights before travelling to the
UK.
The regulations
will apply for five years, reflecting the fact that we are required to
notify the Commission after two years if we intend to maintain the
restrictions, in which case we shall be able to continue them for a
further three years. However, we said on announcing our intention to
introduce the restrictions that we would review the arrangements within
12 months, in case we have been too conservative and restrictive in our
access proposals.
I
believe that the regulations will enable us to pursue a controlled and
managed approach to migration that will be in the interests of the UK
economy. I commend them to the Committee.
2.36
pm
Damian
Green (Ashford) (Con): I shall follow the
Ministers example and address both instruments before us at the
same time. I have no disagreement with his comments on the first list
of safe countries. No doubt he is aware of the concerns that have been
expressed, not least in another place, that it will be important to
keep a careful check on the workings of the legal system in two new
accession countriesparticularly Bulgaria. I am conscious,
however, that that will take place in the early months and years after
the welcome accession of those two countries not just at the level of
our own national Government but at European level.
On the other instrument, I hope
that the Minister will accept that I speak as a candid and critical
friend of the Government and what they are trying to achieve. The
Opposition want the restrictions to work, but we have serious doubts
about whether they will in practice. Putting tough words effectively
into action is so often a task in which the current Home Office fails,
especially in immigration. The Minister said that during the summer he
was not short of advice on the matter, and I was one of those who added
to the advice. In August we called for restrictions to be applied to
Romaniaand Bulgaria, which was a common-sense course of action
to propose, given the Governments appalling misjudgment on the
A8 countries that acceded tothe EU in 2004. The House will be
aware that the Government estimate of the numbers who would come from
those countries was about 15,000, whereas the actual number turned out
to be closer to 600,000. I am delighted that, a couple of months after
our suggestion that the Government use the transitional arrangements to
put todays restrictions in place, they have taken our advice.
As the Home Secretary, in particular, is doing his best to copy our
language on immigration, it would be churlish not to welcome the
Governments copying us on the odd bit of policy, and I do
so.
I can understand
that the Minister does not want to repeat the numbers debacle. I
apologise to him for mentioning a subject with which he had problems
this morning when appearing before the Select Committee, but could he
essay a rough guess on how many entrants he expects from the two
countries during the next year? Of that number, how many does he expect
will settle permanently? He will know that without that guidance about
the overall policy framework, there will be huge public scepticism as
to whether the restrictions have substance. In particular, how many
self-employed people does he expect to come? That issue is important
because it is potentially a huge loophole in the regulations that he is
laying before us. Nobody expects the Government to be spot on, but a
rough guess would be helpful. What checks does he propose to make to
ensure that such self-employment is
genuine?
The Minister
has spoken about the sanctions on both employers and employees, which
we support in principle. How effective will such sanctions be,
particularly the fixed penalty notice that will be available to
employees, which sounds like a Get out of jail cheap
card? Is it not the case that many potential illegal workers will
simply regard it as a sort of tax? If they examine the
Governments enforcement record in this area, they are likely to
think that statistically it is pretty unlikely that they would ever be
caught. If the effect of being caught is simply that they have to pay a
fixed penalty, they may well regard it as a risk worth taking, and I am
sure that nobody would welcome that sort of attitude. Given that, will
the Minister tell us the level of fine he is contemplating under this
fixed penalty regime?
Let us consider those coming to
the UK under the quota that the Minister is announcing for the low
skilled, who will have their right to work limited to six months. How
soon will they be able to return after that six-month period? Clearly,
if they could come here for
six months, go back for a couple of weeks and then come for another six
months, and repeat that pattern, that is another potential
loophole.
Will the
Minister also address the issue of fake passports? These restrictions
would be meaningless if any worker who thinks he is likely to fall foul
of them could easily obtain a passport from another EU country. As the
BBC Panorama programme showed this week, regrettably it
is extremely easy to buy passports from other
countries.
In a
similar vein, what about those who are entitled to Bulgarian passports
but who are not Bulgarian? Are the Government taking steps to crack
down on this area? Are they at least talking to the Bulgarian
Government about cracking down on it? This seems to be a phenomenon
that, for obvious reasons, will grow.
The Minister talked about the
possibility of relaxing the restrictions after a couple of years, as
allowed for under the accession treaties, and about having a review
after a year to see whether the restrictions are unnecessary. It would
be extremely helpful if he could tell the Committee the criteria he
will use to decide whether the restrictions will be relaxed early. If
we knew that key fact, it would make it easier to decide on the merit
of these orders.
As
the Minister will see, although I welcome the principle of these
ordersindeed, I called for them before the Government
didmany serious practical issues need to be addressed if this
is not to be yet another immigration disaster, following the many that
have affected the Government over the past few
years.
Yet again,
there is the danger that the Government are talking tough but acting
weakly. The Minister is saying that Bulgarian and Romanian workers will
need a registration certificate, but he has given us no indication of
how such a system will be effectively enforced. Workers caught acting
illegally will be able to get away with paying a fixed penalty, and
given the Governments failure to prosecute more than a handful
of illegal employers in the past nine years, that is barely a threat at
all. The Minister will understand that there will be huge public
scepticism about the practical effectiveness of the orders. I hope that
he can allay my concerns.
2.44
pm
Bob
Russell (Colchester) (LD): I believe that I amthe
only Member present who had the pleasure this morning of serving on the
joint meeting of the Select Committee on Home Affairs and the European
Scrutiny Committee, in which the Minister was grilled for two hours. It
is fair to say that he did not havemuch of a sympathetic
hearing from those present. I congratulate the Labour Whips for
ensuring that none of the Labour critics from this morning are here
this afternoon. I am sure that the Minister will confirm that the
fiercest critics were Government Back Benchers.
It is crystal clear that
Romanians and Bulgarians will now be second-class citizens of the EU.
The citizensof every other accession country are here with
equal rights. The Minister did not give a convincing answer to anybody
as to why those two countries have been picked on, but one hon. Member
suggested that there was a reaction in the summer to the Conservative
tabloid press. The Minister will get an easier ride this
afternoon. I cannot see in the room any of the hostile critics with whom
he had to contend this morning. He survived, and he is here to deal
with the regulations.
How will the Government deal
with the issues that the hon. Member for Ashford raised? The Minister
did not give a convincing answer this morning. It appears that many
Romanians and Bulgarians will be allowed into the country but not
allowed to take up paid employment. I am sure that there will be ways
and means by which they can secure employment, and I suspect that many
will be drawn into the shadow economy. The Treasury will therefore not
get the tax take that it would if Romania and Bulgaria were fully
fledged members of the European Union alongside the other 25 member
states.
Siobhain
McDonagh (Mitcham and Morden) (Lab)
rose