The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Sir
Alan
Haselhurst
Anderson,
Mr. David
(Blaydon)
(Lab)
Bailey,
Mr. Adrian
(West Bromwich, West)
(Lab/Co-op)
Battle,
John
(Leeds, West)
(Lab)
Campbell,
Mr. Gregory
(East Londonderry)
(DUP)
Cooper,
Rosie
(West Lancashire)
(Lab)
Creagh,
Mary
(Wakefield)
(Lab)
Davies,
Mr. Quentin
(Grantham and Stamford)
(Con)
Devine,
Mr. Jim
(Livingston)
(Lab)
Dodds,
Mr. Nigel
(Belfast, North)
(DUP)
Donaldson,
Mr. Jeffrey M.
(Lagan Valley)
(DUP)
Durkan,
Mark
(Foyle)
(SDLP)
Foster,
Mr. Michael
(Worcester)
(Lab)
Harris,
Mr. Tom
(Glasgow,
South)Hepburn,
Mr. Stephen
(Jarrow)
(Lab)
Hermon,
Lady
(North Down)
(UUP)
Joyce,
Mr. Eric
(Falkirk)
(Lab)
Lancaster,
Mr. Mark
(North-East Milton Keynes)
(Con)
Lidington,
Mr. David
(Aylesbury)
(Con)
McCrea,
Dr. William
(South Antrim)
(DUP)
McDonnell,
Dr. Alasdair
(Belfast, South)
(SDLP)
McGrady,
Mr. Eddie
(South Down)
(SDLP)
Mackay,
Mr. Andrew
(Bracknell)
(Con)
Mulholland,
Greg
(Leeds, North-West)
(LD)
Norris,
Dan
(Wansdyke)
(Lab)
Öpik,
Lembit
(Montgomeryshire)
(LD)
Paisley,
Rev. Ian
(North Antrim)
(DUP)
Pound,
Stephen
(Ealing, North)
(Lab)
Reid,
Mr. Alan
(Argyll and Bute)
(LD)
Robertson,
Mr. Laurence
(Tewkesbury)
(Con)
Robinson,
Mrs. Iris
(Strangford)
(DUP)
Robinson,
Mr. Peter
(Belfast, East)
(DUP)
Rosindell,
Andrew
(Romford)
(Con)
Ruane,
Chris
(Vale of Clwyd)
(Lab)
Simpson,
David
(Upper Bann)
(DUP)
Wallace,
Mr. Ben
(Lancaster and Wyre)
(Con)
Walter,
Mr. Robert
(North Dorset)
(Con)
Waltho,
Lynda
(Stourbridge)
(Lab)
Wilson,
Sammy
(East Antrim)
(DUP)
Alan
Sandall, David Weir, Committee
Clerks
attended the
Committee
The
following also attended, pursuant to Standing Order No.
109(4):
Eagle,
Maria
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Northern
Ireland)Hanson,
Mr. David
(Minister of State, Northern Ireland
Office)Northern
Ireland Grand
Committee
Tuesday 12
December
2006
[The
Chairman of Ways and Means in the
Chair]
1
pm
The
Chairman of Ways and Means (Sir Alan Haselhurst): Before I
call the first question, I would like to place on record the
appreciation of Mr. Speaker and myself to the Lord Mayor for
allowing this historic meeting of the Northern Ireland Grand Committee
to take place here in the City hall in Belfast in Northern Ireland. I
would also like to express my appreciation on behalf of everyone to him
and his colleagues for the arrangements that they have made and the
hospitality that they have
accorded.
For the
convenience of members, the clock at the end, facing me, is the one
that will be used. You will have noticed it is different from the
others. I would also say for the convenience of the Committee that the
form of address to me today is Sir Alan.
Northern Ireland Grand Committee
The Secretary
of State was
asked
Northern
Ireland Water
Ltd
1.
Mark
Durkan (Foyle) (SDLP):
When the (a) strategic business plan,
(b) assets and estate management plan and (c) licence for Northern
Ireland Water Ltd will be made publicly available.
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The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (Maria
Eagle): The strategic business plan will not be made
public as it is commercially sensitive. A three-year business plan for
Northern Ireland Water Ltd will be published before April 2007 and a
detailed five-year capital and operational expenditure requirement from
2010 will be produced within the 2009 periodic review. Northern Ireland
Water Ltd will provide an estate management plan to the regulator for
approval by 1 September
2007.
Mark
Durkan: The Minister has said that the strategic business
plan will not be published because of commercial confidentiality. That
already shows that a key matter of public importance has been treated
as though it is the private property of the
GOCOGovernment-owned, contractor-operatedthat is to be
established. Does she not appreciate that the figures that her
colleagues have been given for water charges one, two and three years
from now crucially depend on how credible and sustainable the strategic
business plan is? In the absence of sight of that business plan and in
the absence of an asset and estate management plan, people can place
absolutely no reliance on the figures that the Government are
offering.
Maria
Eagle: The purpose of the strategic business plan is to
enable the Department as a shareholder to manage its interests in the
new water and sewerage undertaking and to enable the company to deliver
its objectives. The plan must be developed in the context of the
financial framework set by and already announced by Government in the
2005 financial review, so I do not accept that it is a completely
secret document and that no reliance can therefore be placed on its
contents.
Lady
Hermon (North Down) (UUP): It is a pleasure to sit under
your chairmanship this afternoon, Sir Alan. Can the Minister, without
the use of any weasel words, rule out categorically any plan by the
Government to privatise water or sewerage services in Northern
Ireland?
Maria
Eagle: I can rule that out without any weasel words if
that satisfies the hon. Lady. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of
State has made it absolutely clear that that is not what we are
intending to do. What a devolved Administration would do thereafter
would, of course, be a matter for them.
Mr.
David Lidington (Aylesbury) (Con): Can the Minister
confirm the assurances given by Lord Rooker yesterday in the House of
Lords, including his pledge
that, subject to those details that are commercially confidential being
withheld, the GOCO would make available as much information as possible
about its business plan in advance of Ministers signing it off? Can she
also confirm the pledge that the regulator will on 1 April next year
gain full powers, including powers to prevent the disposal of assets,
including land, if the regulator so
decides?
Maria
Eagle: Yes, I can confirm the undertakings and assurances
that my noble Friend gave in the other place
yesterday.
Mr.
Eddie McGrady (South Down) (SDLP): The Minister is aware
that the consultation in respect of licensing of the water company
closes on 9 February. As the water company comes into operation on 1
April, can she conceive that such a short time space of seven weeks
will enable the consultation to be properly and adequately assessed and
the terms of reference of the licence amended or suggested accordingly,
or will the water company go into free fall without licence control on
1 April?
Maria
Eagle: I have every confidence that the civil servants who
are working speedily to deal with this issue can do the work necessary
in the time that has been set aside. We have been consulting in respect
of this matter since 2003, so there is a lot of background knowledge,
experience and work that has already been done. I have every confidence
that this can be dealt with
properly.
Parades
2.
Mr.
Nigel Dodds (Belfast, North) (DUP): What
progress has been made with the review of parading issues.
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The
Minister of State, Northern Ireland Office (Mr. David
Hanson): Ministers have held
constructive meetings with key stakeholders, taking views on the
possible terms of reference for the review. Having considered the
points made in those meetings, the Government and the Under-Secretary
of State for Northern Ireland, my hon. Friend the Member for
Wythenshawe and Sale, East (Paul Goggins) will be planning to announce
the terms of reference in the new
year.
Mr.
Dodds: I thank the Minister for that reply, but would he
not accept that this is an absolutely crucial issue as far as stability
in Northern Ireland is concerned? Does he accept that under the terms
of reference, and when the appointments are made to the review, a new
legislative framework for the parades issue is essential, if there is
to be confidence, and that it should restore the balance between the
rights of those who take part in parades and those who want to oppose
them? Also, does he accept that the Parades Commission, which is part
of the problem, should go, and should be replaced with something that
can provide a new way
forward?
Mr.
Hanson: I share the hon.
Gentlemans view about the importance of the review taking place
early in the new year. My hon. Friend the Under-Secretary will be
considering both the composition of the review panel and the
appointment to the chair of the panel, but the
review will not include a review of the fundamentals of the Parades
Commission or the legislation relating to it. The commission serves a
valuable function. The purpose of the review is to examine some of the
issues and lessons to ensure that next years parading season
and those of future years will be as successful as the one that took
place this July.
Washington
Bureau
3.
Dr.
Alasdair McDonnell (Belfast, South) (SDLP):
What plans there are for the development of the Northern
Ireland bureau in Washington; and whether the next director will be
appointed by open and public competition.
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The
Minister of State, Northern Ireland Office (Mr. David
Hanson): The bureau will continue to
develop its strategy of promoting Northern Ireland as an
internationally focused, successful region and develop relationships
with targeted organisations and regions in the United States. Priority
sectors will include economic development and science and technology.
The bureaus post of director will be filled from within the
Northern Ireland civil service. If a suitable internal candidate cannot
be identified, an external recruitment competition may be
needed.
Dr.
McDonnell: I am sure that the Minister will agree that the
Northern Ireland bureau has over the years gone from strength to
strength, doing a great job for Northern Ireland. I thank him for his
answer, which certainly suggests that. Does he agree that it is
essential that the directors position should be filled by the
best person available, whether in the public service or externally,
through open
competition?
Mr.
Hanson: The Northern Ireland bureau
plays a useful role in helping to promote Northern Irelands
interests in the continent of North America. Last year, it hosted 26
receptions, with 2,500 participants. It liaises with the state capital,
Senators and Congressmen and a range of business leaders in the
community. It is important to get the best person for the job, but we
have said that we shall initially undertake a recruitment exercise in
the civil service. If the best person for the job is not found there,
we retain the option of external recruitment in due course. I am
confident that we can find a suitable person in the civil service, but
the other option is available to the
Government.
Climate
Change
4.
Dr.
William McCrea (South Antrim) (DUP): What
recent steps the Government has taken in Northern Ireland to tackle
climate change.
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