Select Committee on Constitutional Affairs Committee Minutes of Evidence


Examination of Witness (Questions 40-44)

RT HON JACK STRAW MP

24 JULY 2007

  Q40  Keith Vaz: Do you think it is too big? This is a huge area.

  Mr Straw: Look, there is always going to be an argument about how you divide these areas and when I was at the Home Office I had the police, asylum and immigration, as you will remember, prisons, probation and then the rest of the criminal justice system was elsewhere, and then I had this very large number of what amounted to constitutional responsibilities plus some slightly eccentric issues like falling satellites, hypnotists, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man and the Church of England. Now the split is slightly different so you have got policing at the Home Office—because that is essentially what they are doing, they are doing internal policing and border policing—and the security service, so it has now become a classic, single-scope ministry of the interior, for the reasons that were set out by the Prime Minister. I have got the rest.

  Q41  Keith Vaz: Do you think that such a large department will open the question of more conflicts of interest; you have the Courts Service and the Prison Service?

  Mr Straw: I hope not is the answer. My view is that we should treat this as settled now. I have always been slightly sceptical about major machinery of government changes because it uses up an awful lot of effort and there are always issues about people being caught unawares, though sometimes it is unavoidable. There have been two iterations of changes in the responsibility between the Home Office and the Lord Chancellor's Department (DCA) in the last six years; one that moved constitutional affairs into what became the DCA and, secondly, moved prisons and probation and a very large amount of criminal justice work as well, so we are now leading on all of that area, on criminal justice as well as sentencing policy. My advice to any prime minister is to leave it where it is now; you have now got as it were a classic European split as well between the Ministry of Justice and the Ministry of the Interior: leave it and let us make it work. I am very comfortable with my responsibilities; of course they are substantial but it is my job to make them work and on any one day if there is a serious problem somewhere in one of the prisons which I cannot handle I will be offered career advice by colleagues on all sides of the House of Commons.

  Keith Vaz: Thank you, Lord Chancellor.

  Q42  Chairman: Let us return to Mr Vaz's earlier point. Have you got a timescale for resolving this really quite significant dispute with the senior judiciary, or are you content to remain in a situation where the Lord Chief Justice considers that there is a significant constitutional issue unresolved? That cannot be a happy state of affairs, can it?

  Mr Straw: I do not wish there to be any significant issues unresolved with the Lord Chief or the senior judiciary. Generally you resolve these issues by a process of intense discussion, but above all by building up confidence. I understand why the senior judiciary were concerned about what happened.

  Q43  Chairman: You are drifting off my question which is about the timescale.

  Mr Straw: I am working on it as quickly as I can, all right, alongside dealing with the prisons and the constitutional agenda. I have seen establishing effective, close and constructive relations, but respectful ones, with the senior judiciary as one of my three top priorities.

  Q44  Keith Vaz: Is there a timetable?

  Mr Straw: Have I got a timetable in my mind? The direct timetable is going to be October rather than November, but am I intending to deal with this swiftly, yes. Am I certain that I will be in exactly the same place as the senior judiciary; no, I am not, but I hope so.





 
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