Select Committee on Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence


Examination of Witnesses (60 - 79)

  60. There are also plans showing examples of the alternatives to the western alignment. That can be seen in the Non-technical summary, although I do not think it is necessary to trouble the Committee with the details of it. Similarly for the eastern arms, again, alternatives were looked at and rejected.

  61. Turning to the question of policy support rather than other forms of support, the project meets national policy requirements because it provides sustainable, accessible and inclusive transport. It provides important relief to congestion, to the transport system of London, and provides further incentives for the use of sustainable transport over private vehicles of those living and working in and around London. As I have already mentioned, and I think we are just about to have the diagram again, it will integrate well with the existing rail and Underground systems, and there is the central area showing the interchanges between Crossrail, the national rail system and the various branches of the Underground system. It also enjoys the support of planning authorities, as I have mentioned. All Underground lines will see a reduction in passengers, other than the Northern line, as I have already mentioned, with the greatest decreases occurring on the five lines that I have already indicated and you have the table. Providing better accessibility, it provides support for the policies of regeneration again in the areas which have been identified.

  62. Turning now to the planned services, once Crossrail is constructed and fully operational it will be expected that there will be considerable demand, not surprisingly, we would say, given the circumstances both at present and then likely to hold sway when it is opened. The proposal therefore is that 24 trains per hour will be run in the central section. To the east this will split equally with 12 trains per hour to Abbey Wood down to the south east and to Shenfield in the north east. The western side has only one limb, which is the Great Western main line, with a branch from the Great Western main line to Heathrow airport. This means that only a proportion of Crossrail trains will run west of Paddington, up to 10 per hour, four of which will run to Heathrow and at least four of which will run to Maidenhead.

  63. The new Crossrail line to Abbey Wood, running parallel on the existing North Kent line, will only take trains going through the central tunnel, but on the line to Shenfield Crossrail services will share the slow or so-called "E lines" with those suburban passenger services not subsumed by Crossrail and which are designed to be complementary. The further distance passenger trains and the freight trains which use the fast lines, once Crossrail opens, will be unaffected during normal operation. The Committee will recall that, as I said earlier, it is not proposed that Crossrail will interfere with the current main line services which will retain their use of the fast lines. On the Great Western main line Crossrail will share the slow or so-called relief lines with freight and complementary passenger services to Reading. The intercity services and Heathrow will continue to use the fast or main lines during normal operation. Greater capacity is obtained on the existing network by a variety of features: the use of longer trains, fitting in more trains through investment in the infrastructure, which is part of the Crossrail project, and in increased attention to design of the timetable. There is a variety of measures to create that improvement in capacity.

  64. We now turn to a brief description of the Bill. The Bill provisions and the concepts used in the Bill borrow a good deal from the experience of the last major infrastructure Bill in 10 years, that is, CTRL, but it also borrows from the experience gained from operating that legislation. Some lessons have been learned. The Bill seeks a range of powers to build and operate Crossrail, which include the following matters: the power to construct and maintain Crossrail and its associated and enabling works; granting deemed planning permission to construct Crossrail and its associated and enabling works; removing the need for special heritage consents, listed building and conservation area consents, in buildings and areas specified in the Bill where this is necessary to construct the railway and the associated works.

  65. It confers powers of compulsory purchase in two forms. There are powers of direct compulsory purchase in the normal sense of taking the land absolutely but there are also powers to enable temporary possession to be taken in certain circumstances. The Bill will authorise the stopping up or closure of highways and other public thoroughfares, including navigable waterways. It will also allow the alteration of highways, and they are specified. It will enable rights to use certain rail facilities to be taken by Crossrail or varied specifically for the purposes of the Crossrail services; and it will confer such other powers that are required in connection with the construction and operation of Crossrail and its various associated and enabling works.

  66. The provisions of the Bill deem planning permission to be granted for the authorised works, and that is deemed to be subject to conditions requiring the approval of the local planning authority for certain matters of detail. The Bill does not preclude the influence of local planning authorities in the detailed design of the scheme. The extent of matters subject to approval under these conditions will depend on whether the local authority is a qualifying authority, that is, it has given an undertaking to the Secretary of State about the way in which it will handle applications for approval of details. For qualifying authorities the matters subject to approval will include certain construction arrangements. Where works affect highways certain matters will be subject to the approval of the highway authority. I do not pretend, of course, that it leaves matters significantly in the hands of the local planning authority in the way that a normal planning application would but nor does it cut out local authorities completely from consultation and influence on details of the scheme.

  67. With regard to compulsory purchase powers, it is considered in the case of those powers that the public interest in acquiring the land to build the project, whether permanently or temporarily, outweighs the interest of owners and occupiers. There is, of course, no sensible way to build a scheme of this size through the nation's capital without acquiring land held by others. For that reason of overriding public interest the scheme is compliant with the provisions of the European Convention on Human Rights.

  68. The Bill seeks powers for compulsory acquisition within the limits of deviation for the works. These limits are intended to ensure sufficient flexibility of the detailed design of the scheme. The full extent of the land within the limits, however, will not necessarily be acquired. The Secretary of State has policies which are contained in large part in the information papers the Committee has been handed today, policies to mitigate the effects of compulsory purchase wherever possible, including Information Paper C9, which is the land acquisition policy. What this says in simple terms is that while the Bill generally includes full land acquisition powers, the exercise of those powers in an individual case will operate on the basis that the Secretary of State will seek to exercise the powers only so far as is necessary at the time that the detailed design has been carried out. In other words, the compulsory powers in the Bill are for the maximum extent of the Secretary of State's powers to compulsorily acquire. The Secretary of State will operate a policy of only taking so much as is reasonably required once the detailed design works have been done. It should be possible and practicable to acquire in many cases smaller areas of land without compromising the Secretary of State's ability to secure the construction and implementation of the project in a timely and economic manner and, in accordance with any undertaking given by the Secretary of State in respect of the Bill, agreement will be sought with the landowners where reasonable terms can be reached. In other words, the compulsory powers will only be used as a last resort.

  69. It is also necessary to draw the Committee's attention to what the Bill does not do. There are a number of locations in central London where the Bill seeks powers to demolish buildings, including some which are listed buildings and some which are in conservation areas, but does not seek powers from Parliament to replace those buildings in addition to the operational works needed for the construction of the railway, the construction of the station and other associated works such as ventilation and emergency access.

  70. Locations effectively fall into two categories: those where operational works are to take place, such as the construction of stations or shafts, and those where demolition is required for the use of the land as a work site, but there are no permanent operational works on the land. In those two categories of case the Bill does not seek permission for non-operational development above the stations or above the structures, whatever they are going to be. These replacement structures which the Bill does not contain powers to authorise are referred to in the Environmental Statement and elsewhere as OSD, over-site development. The form of OSD should be applied for and determined through the normal planning process by the appropriate planning authority subject, of course, to the power by the Deputy Prime Minister to deal with such cases on appeal or by virtue of his powers of call-in.

  71. The Bill will require that any OSD will either require an environmental impact assessment on its own where the works are integral to the new works, or they will require environmental assessment where the planning authority determines that it is necessary because it would be likely to have significant environmental effects. What this ensures via the powers of the local authority is that there will be assessment where only the loss of the buildings has been assessed by the Environmental Statement of the Bill. As I say, the Bill only seeks powers to remove them and for limited operational replacements.

  72. Although, of course, the Bill does not give powers for OSD, there is an obvious and overwhelming likelihood that in all these cases some form of development will take place at the same time as the construction of Crossrail or very soon thereafter, and the reasons why we say it is extremely unlikely that only the operational works will be constructed are these. First, all the stations will have to be designed to ensure the appropriate load bearing and servicing facilities, with assumptions being made about the size and general dimensions of the buildings that are likely to go up. Secondly, the sites are within areas with very high land values—Oxford Street and Tottenham Road and the like—where there will be a strong financial incentive to redevelop. Thirdly, there are currently discussions between the department and the local authorities as to what might be a reasonable timescale for making outline planning applications for each of the OSDs. The Secretary of State intends that, following those discussions, an undertaking will be brought forward before the Committee by the time of the end of the hearing, so it is intended that those discussions will reach fruition before the Committee hearings conclude.

  73. To assist the Committee and others material has been provided as to the appearance of the operational works in question in the Environmental Statement and illustrative material has been provided at Appendix C2 of the possible form that OSDs could take, as suggested by the requirements of load bearing and servicing of the works which are authorised by the Bill. I will just give the Committee an illustration. This is the corner of Tottenham Court Road and Oxford Street.[9] The Committee will see on the right hand side Centre Point and in blue the location of the fountains that are currently in front of Centre Point, and then to the left is the corner of Charing Cross Road and Oxford Street, which has one of the major entrances to Tottenham Court Road Tube at the moment, which is marked as a cleared site. This is obviously a high value and prominent location where there will be considerable works and where the Bill only seeks powers to put back the operational works needed for the station. What the plans in the Environmental Statement show is not what is going to go back in terms of the final form of development but what the operational characteristics are of the development which is authorised by the Bill, therefore showing the maximum impact that could happen because, of course, in reality one simply will not see this because there will be additional development over the station to deal with the buildings that were lost.


  74. This is a view, with Centre Point on the left, facing down Charing Cross Road, so looking due south, and that is Oxford Street to the right.[10] If we zoom in a little the Committee will see on the right hand side, with various arrows, an assumed line of Gosleth Yard operational buildings and the like. All this plan shows just above street level is the operational works which the Bill authorises. It does not give the Committee or anyone else an impression of what will go there ultimately because that will be a matter for the normal planning processes. The local planning authority will in the usual way decide, having regard to their policies and the context of the site, what is appropriate development to go over the top. This location can also be seen in a number of different directions, and perhaps we can look at them briefly. This is the view facing due east, facing Centre Point and its fountains, and this is the view looking west up Oxford Street, and again you will see the blank areas to the left.[11],[12] The railway development is shown above the railway to fill in the gap once the works are complete. That remains a matter for the local planning authorities in the usual way. I have not put up any illustrative material for the Committee and I stress to anyone looking at the Environmental Statement illustrative material that it is just that, for the reasons I have just mentioned, namely, the decision as to what goes back in place of the buildings that are lost, is for normal planning powers.




  75. I then propose to turn to the works which are comprised in the Crossrail project. This is a plan which shows the main works proposed throughout the route which I am not going to ask the Committee to decipher because there are more detailed plans which I can show the Committee.[13] If the Committee would turn up the Non-technical summary of the Environmental Statement, at page 40 the Committee, for example, will see the main works in the western section, where the new stations are to be, where existing routes or tunnels are to be used, where there are to be bridge works and the like; similarly, if the Committee turns to page 46, for the north eastern section. There are plans for each of the sections and, as I mentioned earlier, the Committee will be getting a legible copy of this plan showing an overview of the main works as they are distributed across the route.


  76. The works, as I have mentioned earlier, comprise twin-bore tunnels and this diagram gives the Committee a comparison between the dimensions of the Crossrail tunnels with the most recent Underground works, which was the Jubilee Line extension, and the Committee will see that the Crossrail tunnels are somewhat larger and that the trains in use are more appropriate to the type of service that Crossrail will operate rather than a pure Underground metro service.[14] You will see from that diagram that the trains will operate overhead electrification. I will come back to the rolling stock in a moment but that gives the Committee an idea of the comparative size of the tunnels.


  77. Also to be provided, of course, will be stations. This is a typical layout of a station showing the twin tunnels and platforms and the various points of access, ticket halls and the like.[15] Perhaps Mr Bennett can zoom in one side or another to show that in a little more detail, as the Committee will expect, the various services to be provided so that one can buy a ticket and get to the train, or get away from the train, as the case may be. Also required are emergency intervention points, ventilation shafts and escape shafts.[16] This illustrative diagram shows the sort of provision that is needed and if Mr Bennett will zoom in on the left hand side the Committee will get an idea of the sort of shafts that are needed. You will see that there is a shaft with emergency access stairs, and you can see the emergency access from the running tunnel through to the emergency access stairs and the ventilation shaft, both separately accessed.



  78. There will be train depot and stabling facilities, track works, traction power and signalling systems, communication systems, a route control centre, works at existing stations to improve and include platform lengthening, and a river crossing for the south eastern section. Perhaps that can be put up for the Committee.[17] That is the crossing from the portal of North Woolwich down to the south eastern route and the Plumstead portal, which is the portal on the far right hand side of the picture. Works will also improve existing rail facilities in a number of places. To take one example, a substantial increase in passenger capacities will be created in the growing rail corridor which is east of Maidenhead and, as I mentioned earlier, it will subsume or alter the existing slow suburban services rather than the main line fast services. The use of the Great Western corridor east of Maidenhead will be intensified by means of investment in infrastructure and the use of longer trains.


  79. The trains for Crossrail, as I mentioned earlier, and this is an illustration, are somewhat larger than the trains that London is used to by way of Underground trains.[18] The rolling stock for Crossrail will be about 200 metres long comprising 10 cars of 20 metres each grouped into five. They will be more spacious than London is used to in terms of the accommodation in Underground cars, and they will be so designed to allow quicker and easier access and exit. They will draw power from overhead electrical lines, as you will see from the illustration, and, as I have mentioned already, it is proposed that there should be 24 trains per hour running through the central section. The fleet size will allow at peak demand the operation of 116 five-car units at any one time from a fleet of about 129 five-car units.




9   Crossrail Environmental Statement, Appendix C2, Plaza Ticket Hall, Crossrail Operational Structures - Eastern Ticket Hall Site Plan, billdocuments.crossrail.co.uk (LINEWD-EXH02-023). Back

10   Crossrail Environmental Statement, Appendix C2, Plaza Ticket Hall, Crossrail Operational Structures - Eastern Ticket Hall - Oxford Street Elevation facing south, billdocuments.crossrail.co.uk (LINEWD-EXH02-024). Back

11   Crossrail Environmental Statement, Appendix C2, Plaza Ticket Hall, Crossrail Operational Structures - Eastern Ticket Hall - Charing Cross Road facing east, billdocuments.crossrail.co.uk (LINEWD-EXH02-025). Back

12   Crossrail Environmental Statement, Appendix C2, Plaza Ticket Hall, Crossrail Operational Structures - Eastern Ticket Hall - Charing Cross Road facing west, billdocuments.crossrail.co.uk (LINEWD-EXH02-026). Back

13   Crossrail - Main works proposed (LINEWD-EXH02-027). Back

14   Comparison of Crossrail and Jubilee Line Extension tunnels (LINEWD-EXH02-028). Back

15   Illustrative layout of a Crossrail station (LINEWD-EXH02-029). Back

16   Illustrative diagram of a Crossrail station, indicating shafts (LINEWD-EXH02-030). Back

17   Aerial view of the South Eastern Route (LINEWD-EXH02-031). Back

18   Illustration of Crossrail rolling stock (LINEWD-EXH02-032). Back


 
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