Select Committee on Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence


Examination of Witnesses (Questions 180 - 199)

  180. Turning to paragraph 6, the Crossrail tunnels deep underground run more or less east-west underneath two existing stations, Liverpool Street Station and Moorgate. The Crossrail passenger who arrives deep underground between those stations at a place I shall call the `Livergate platforms', or `Livergate' for short, has a choice. He or she can either go out of the western end of the Livergate platforms and emerge at Moorgate Station or they can go east, in which case they have only one option, that is, to use the two escalators and two tunnels I have just mentioned and emerge into the existing London Underground ticket hall at point F. That ticket hall is called `ticket hall B'. There are two other ticket halls, A and C, but these are not of immediate concern. That is because the Crossrail passengers who leave the Livergate platforms in an easterly direction must first go via the two escalators and two tunnels to point M and from there into ticket hall B. Sir, if you look at the first of the diagrams that are put before you, the one labelled `Exhibit A Liverpool Street Station' at the bottom, you can see from that in the top left-hand corner a rather small, current isometric view which you can make sense of if you compare it on the left with the larger layout mainline station, concourse layout, on the right and that will also enable you to identify ticket hall B, not so labelled, but you see the words `ticket hall' under the `49' and it will also enable you to see that what is ticket hall A is to the south of that where you see the little letter `d' on the current isometric view. Just to the left of that `d', you will see the words `ticket hall' identifying the ticket hall to the south and the third of the three ticket halls shown on the current isometric view, ticket hall C is the one a bit further to the north that serves purely the Central Line. Unfortunately we have not got the C, the B and the A on the isometric view, but I hope it is tolerably clear. You go from south to north, A at the south, B in the middle and C at the top.

  181. Now, sir, I return to paragraph 7. Once these Crossrail passengers arrive at ticket hall B, they have various choices.

  182. Mr Binley: Mr Laurence, could I just clarify this please because I am slightly confused. I am looking at the current isometric view on the front and I see two ticket halls and I am not quite sure I understand the relevance of those two. I understand the one you are talking about being Liverpool Street, but what is the second?

  183. Mr Laurence: We are talking about three ticket halls, A, B and C, at Liverpool Street Station.

  184. Mr Binley: Thank you.

  185. Mr Laurence: I was also earlier referring to Moorgate which is a separate entrance/exit altogether further to the west.

  186. Mr Binley: That is what confused me because I thought one of these might be Moorgate, but it is not.

  187. Mr Laurence: In order to assist, because it is very helpful if members of the Committee indicate when they are confused, I have called the platforms deep underground by a name nobody else has coined and I find it useful to identify that place by a name, Livergate. I describe it as that because at those platforms you have the choice of either going out at the westerly end of the platforms up to Moorgate Station or out at the eastern end up to Liverpool Street Station and it helps you to keep in mind that it is the level at which you are discussing the subject matter that determines the appropriate name to give to the place you are talking about.

  188. Sir, on to paragraph 7. Once these Crossrail passengers arrive at ticket hall B, they have various choices and for that I would suggest that the current isometric view is not helpful and it would be helpful to have the lower part of the plan put on to the screen. They can turn a sharp left at point M and go down to the Central Line at point P, or they can turn right and go down to the Circle and Metropolitan Lines, the so-called `sub-surface lines', at point Q, R and S, or they can go straight on and exit at one of the 16 gates shown, although not numbered one to 16 on the sketch, and hence, after walking up the stairs at E, on to the mainline concourse and from there on to National Rail or up further escalators, ramped walkways and steps to the street. You need, in order to understand the journey that the type of passenger I have just described would be taking, to go from the lower of the two drawings to the upper one to see how you emerge having gone through the gates, how you go up at E, up the steps on to the mainline concourse, and you then have various choices, one of which is to go on to National Rail, another of which is actually to go out and emerge at street.

  189. Immediately before Crossrail opens, and this is where it is going to start getting a bit more technical, let us assume in 2016, as the company CLRL, the company assisting the Promoter with the Bill, predict, that there will be 11,000 passengers who will want to get out of those 16 gates in the morning peak, 4,100 of them emerging from the Central Line escalators at point P and the other 6,900 emerging into ticket hall B from the sub-surface lines via Q, R and S. Picking up the lower of the two drawings again, the Central Line passengers emerge into the ticket hall at point B in a southerly direction, the sub-surface line passengers, that is the Met Line or the Circle Line or the Hammersmith & City Line, they emerge into the ticket hall travelling in a northern direction through exits Q, R or S. Therefore, before Crossrail opens, the prediction is that in the morning peak hours, 7 to 10am, there will be 11,000 such passengers.

  190. Immediately after Crossrail opens, some of these London Underground passengers will obviously have transferred to Crossrail, that is to say, they will arrive at Liverpool Street via Crossrail, not London Underground, but the total number of exiting passengers CLRL predict will want to use those 16 gates in the morning peak will be 13,500, that is to say, 2,500 more than the 11,000 predicted to be wishing to use the gates to exit before Crossrail opens. We concentrate on the morning peak because recent pedestrian count surveys show that ticket hall B has higher overall numbers in the morning peak.

  191. The total number of people in and out, whom CLRL predict will wish to use the gates in the morning peak, will not change materially before and after opening in 2016. The relevant numbers are: before 2016, ie, without Crossrail on my assumption, 33,100; after Crossrail opens, on CLRL's predictions, 33,300. The predicted increase of 2,500 in the total numbers of those wanting to get out, which I just mentioned above, will be compensated for by a 2,300 decrease in the numbers of those wanting to get in. No doubt some National Rail passengers will have transferred to Crossrail. To meet London Underground's April 2005 Station Planning Standard, 15 gates will be needed to accommodate the predicted 33,100 morning peak passengers before Crossrail opens. After Crossrail opens, 16 gates will be needed. That is because there will, on CLRL's figures, be an extra 2,500 passengers who need to exit the gates after Crossrail opens and the formula which prescribes what the number of gates must be is slightly biased, as you would expect, in favour of those exiting as opposed to those entering.

  192. The Standard, which I just referred to a moment ago, states in terms that it is London Underground's response to requirements laid down by HMRI, Her Majesty's Railway Inspectorate, and Railway Safety Principles and Guidance. Paragraph 2.4 requires the Standard to be used "to ensure that station proposals meet the requirements of HMRI Railway Safety Principles and Guidance, Part 2, section B, Guidance on Stations". The document also states under the heading "Safety Considerations" at 5.2.1 that, "Failure to apply the criteria set down in this Standard is likely to result in poorly planned and congested stations. This is likely to cause passenger distress and the need for temporary station closures". The declared purpose of the Standard is to "define the space requirements for public areas ... in stations" and it is stated to be "applicable for all works to stations that affect passenger movement or that have an impact on the overall station size". Paragraph 3.1.1 requires space for normal operations in stations to be planned to minimise congestion and to be resilient to surges in demand and train service disruption.

  193. It should be noted that the predecessor of this document was a 1999 publication called London Underground Limited Station Planning Standards and Guidelines. Sir, I am not sure whether the reference to guidelines meant that it was not really mandatory. It is clear that the differently titled April 2005 Standard from which I have been quoting paragraph 10 is mandatory. The document tells us that, that is the 2005 Standard. A Standard is defined as a mandatory document which sets out the minimum requirements expressed as outputs or a mandatory document which defines an interaction or a commonality which meets a defined LUL requirement.

  194. Now, sir, on CLRL's figures, there is superficially no problem caused by Crossrail at ticket hall B. The total number of entering/exiting passengers using the gates stays about constant. That, however, raises a vitally important point, in our submission, which is this: that before Crossrail opens, on Crossrail's own figures, there should be 15 gates at ticket hall B to cope with the 33,100 passengers out and in, then wanting to use them. As soon as Crossrail opens, the total number of passengers needing to use the gates will be, as I have already mentioned, about the same on CLRL's figures, that is to say, 33,300, although the actual gateline requirement will increase to 16 for the reasons I mentioned. The number of gates actually available is 16. In other words, passengers in the peak period will have just enough gates to enter and exit UTH B, underground ticket hall B.

  195. You cannot play fast and loose, it goes without saying, with LUL's recently adopted Station Planning Standard. Mr Joe Weiss for the Corporation and Mr Tim Spencer of SDG, that is Steer Davies Gleed, for British Land will be telling you in detail why not. They will also be telling you that the actual need will be well in excess of 20 gates. If you accept their evidence, you have sufficient reason to require a solution other than the Promoter's to the problem of getting to and from the Crossrail platforms. Since Parliament has given its assent to the principle of the Bill, a principle we fully support, it makes no sense whatever to have a Crossrail design which does not from the beginning address and solve the gateline capacity problem. The mandatory requirements of the Standard are seriously breached because the connection of the Crossrail tunnel to ticket hall B at point M involves work that, within the words of the Standard, we say very substantially, "affect passenger movement" within the meaning of paragraph 1.2 of the Standard and so entail the mandatory obligation to observe the relevant requirement of the Standard in relation to gate provision.

  196. There is much more to this, however, than just the Gateline Standard. There is also the matter of sensitivity testing of the robustness of the demand forecast and capacity assessment. The station at Liverpool Street being planned by CLRL for that station is not being designed for 2016. It is meant to have a 60-year design life. The relevant guideline document, which is called Guideline Document Station Demand Modelling, states in a paragraph that I would like to read in a moment what is set out on page 8 of my draft, but can I, however, begin with a reference to one other passage right at the beginning of that document under the heading "Introduction" where this appears:

  197. "These guidelines define a standard approach to station demand modelling. Station modelling can support the following projects/processes", and then there are a number of bullet points of which I would just like to read the first, if I may, sir: "station rebuilding—major rebuilding exercises needed to be assessed to ensure that the capacity of the rebuilt station will be sufficient both at projected demand levels for the appraisal year and at the upper limit demand levels that may be reached during the appraisal period", and paragraph 5.7 of the document reads as follows:

  198. "Sensitivity testing of scheme design. A number of uncertainties exist around forecast levels of demand, including:

  199. "The accuracy of assumptions regarding which large-scale schemes (for example, new or extended lines) are implemented in any given future year scenario. Large schemes may well have a significant effect on the demand forecast for the station being considered: for example, at Victoria, Thameslink 2000, if it proceeds, would reduce demand by diverting passengers away from it.


 
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