Select Committee on Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence


Examination of Witnesses (Questions 200 - 219)

  200. "The accuracy of assumptions regarding employment and population growth. The uncertainty could be associated with the scale of growth, as well as the location of the growth.

  201. "The accuracy of assumptions regarding the demand growth rate assumed in years subsequent to the Future Year.

  202. "In order to validate that a design is adequate for expected future demand levels, the scheme design must be subject to sensitivity testing. In order to do this, it is necessary to forecast the maximum demand level that the station might have to handle".

  203. Then in a box, setting it all out with, I hope what you think is, clarity, sir, this follows:

  204. "The scheme design(s) should be tested against the high case demand scenario for the future year. The future year (scheme design) will usually be 2076—60 years after the future year (appraisal). As explained above, 0.5% growth should be assumed for each year after 2016, which generates a compound growth of 35% after 60 years. Therefore, the total demand level that should be tested is: test demand level = high case demand scenario (2016) x 1.35."

  205. I will just read the first of the two paragraphs which follow:

  206. "As explained above, a number of Railplan scenarios exist, with different assumptions about underlying demand levels and the major schemes that will be pursued. The highest case for the station should be identified and used to generate a high case scenario."

  207. Mr Binley: Mr Laurence, would you please clarify this again because I am concerned about the phrase "sensitivity testing"? Am I wrong in assuming that that is from a human point of view when you talk about sensitivity or not and, secondly, am I right in assuming that the trip from the Crossrail platform to the gates is something in the order of 200 metres up two escalators and does the sensitivity testing take that journey into account?

  208. Mr Laurence: As to the latter, it is easy to answer. I certainly do not know, so we will check and find out. As to the former of the two questions, sir, you asked whether it has, as it were, a human element to it, this sensitivity testing. As I understand it, it is not to do with that at all, but it is a way of arriving at getting a feel for how large, how comprehensive, how commodious your new station needs to be not merely at the year when it is expected to come on stream, but over a period of 60 years ahead when it is still expected to do the job for which it is designed. You will be hearing a lot more about that in due course.

  209. Sir, I will pick it up at paragraph 15. Thus the guidelines mean predicting what numbers of passengers will want to use those gates to exit and enter in the morning peak in 2016 and adding 35% to the predicted 2016 figure. A 35% increase in a gateline requirement of 16 gates adds the need for another four gates (total now needed 16 plus four equals 20) even if you assume that CLRL have got the Moorgate/Liverpool Street split right. That is something I have not yet mentioned and will come to. When I am talking about the Moorgate/Liverpool Street split, I am talking about the question of predicting how many of the Crossrail passengers alighting at Livergate will chose to go to Moorgate as opposed to going to Liverpool Street. If they have it wrong, the gateline requirement rises further. To provide 16 gates when you need 20, and more if the split is wrong, is folly.

  210. For those alert Members of the Committee who have noticed that if you add 35% to 16 you do not obviously get four; you get a number more like five or approaching six, the reason as I understand it that you get as low a number as four—I am putting it purely in layman's language—is that there is a complicated formula that has to be applied that ends up where you have 10 gates or more with you having to add two gates. The way I have explained it to myself is that in order to see what is the effect of 35% through 16 gates you have to begin by taking away two gates and that gives you 14. You increase 14 by 35% and add two. I will no doubt be told I have this completely wrong but that produces an increased requirement for another four gates. At any rate, we are being properly conservative.

  211. We say it is folly to provide 16 gates when you need 20. It is also potentially dangerous. Mr Weiss on behalf of the Corporation and Mr Spencer of SDG on behalf of British Land will tell you why. This critically important example shows that the Corporation and British Land come before you not merely to seek redress in respect of matters which are of particular concern to them, but also because they want to see the Bill improved for the benefit of all who care about the Crossrail project, including the Corporation, British Land, the Promoter, CLRL and the nominated undertaker in due course.

  212. The matter does not of course stop there. Still using only CLRL's predicted figures for 2016 with Crossrail, the number of Crossrail passengers needing to exit through ticket hall B's gates, 3,600—not a number you have heard before—is part of a larger number, 5,300, leaving Crossrail in the morning peak who proceed along the two tunnels and two escalators to point M.

  213. Point M is the point at which the second tunnel exits into the ticket hall. When you go round tomorrow, you will be shown that a great big hole will be made in a wall just here. That is precisely where you will be able to imagine these 5,300 Crossrail passengers coming through in the morning peak in 2016 if the promoter is allowed by your Committee to introduce its scheme.

  214. From point M, 3,600 then go through the gates. The remaining 1,700 set off for the street in the direction of ticket hall A. These 1,700 extra Crossrail passengers of course contribute to the general overcrowding on the paid side of ticket hall B, especially near point P. That is where the Central Line escalators go up and down. Our concern is not only with that number; it is with the 3,600 Crossrail passengers alighting at Livergate who CLRL predict will use the gates at ticket hall B. Every passenger from Crossrail in excess of that number, 3,600, who elects to get to the street via ticket hall B rather than via Moorgate adds to the particular gateline problem that I have already identified.

  215. The 5,300 Crossrail passengers who exit to the street at Liverpool Street Station in 2016 may be contrasted with the 9,200 Crossrail passengers who CLRL predict will arrive below ground but exit to the street via Moorgate. There is a reference there to a table which I would like to hand out now.[3] These tables will be referred to by Mr Spencer. They are documents that are simplified versions of station demand matrices, 10 car, Hybrid Bill Scheme, CLRL, December 2004. It does not take long for the mind to begin to boggle if you look at them for any great length of time. However, it is table 11 that I want you to look at on page five.


  216. The heading tells you that these are CLRL 2016 forecasts with Crossrail. There are four columns, A, B, C and D. Down the right hand side of the entire page we have put number that go from one to fifteen in order to aid elucidation of where is the particular number that I am referring the Committee to. The one that I want the Committee to look at is at line five in table 11, columns B and C. Those two columns tell you that what is predicted by CLRL is that at Liverpool Street there will be 5,300 Crossrail emerging passengers. At Moorgate there will be 9.200 alighting passengers. In other words, of that total of 14,500 in column D at line five, the prediction is that the split will be 5,300 to Crossrail, 9,200 to Moorgate.

  217. If Crossrail are right that those 9,200 alighting passengers will choose to exit at Moorgate, fine, but what if they are wrong? What if instead, say, 4,000 of those 9,200 passengers who alight at Moorgate on CLRL's predictions choose to use UTH B's ticket gates instead? The answer is simple. You will need to add another two gates to the 16 you already need even on Crossrail's figures and without taking any account of the need to add 35% in order to ensure that the new station has the 60 year design life which the guidelines require. That is still only the half of it.

  218. CLRL's figures, we respectfully submit, are themselves completely wrong by an order of magnitude. That is because the model on which they are based is a strategic model and it cannot be expected accurately to predict the use of individual stations—see the Environmental Statement, volume 8A at paragraph 2.37. Mr Spencer has written to CLRL about this. His letter dated 9 January 2006 reads as follows:

  219. "We note with interest paragraph 2.37 of the Environmental Statement, volume 8A, appendices, transport assessment: methodology and principal findings: `Although the Railplan model replicates the overall number of passengers travelling into and within London for 2001, a strategic model—these are the words I would stress—cannot be expected to predict the use of individual stations; the forecasts of station use are always thoroughly checked and, where necessary, adjusted. The forecasts also draw on any actual passenger counts that are available, using a statistical "goodness of fit" technique developed jointly by London Underground and Transport for London. Changes to the 2016 Baseline resulting from the introduction of Crossrail'


3   Committee Ref: A3, Technical Annex to the proof of Evidence of Mr Tim Spencer. Back


 
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