Select Committee on Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence


Examination of Witnesses (Questions 14600 - 14619)

  14600. Can I come to B and D, which is the independent regulation and the industry processes. Regulation of the network is closely linked to the efficient and effective management and operation of the network as a whole. As the Committee will no doubt appreciate, the examination and modelling of the effects of the change or new services on the network are highly technical and detailed, but critical. We, Network Rail, are ultimately responsible for that under the Government's new structure. The effects on the London network in particular can have implications far afield across the national network, including our main rail arteries such as the Great Western, the West Coast Mainline and the Great Eastern.

  14601. The rail industry has developed highly sophisticated and proven procedures for dealing with these considerations under the expert supervision of the Office of the Rail Regulator. It is a system which allows for and encourages investment and changes in the network which itself has to be organic. Equally, one cannot expect investment to take place without assurance as to future access rights, thus we have urged, and the Promoters now propose, that they should apply the established industry procedures and seek an Access Option. One thing that we believe is clear is that the detailed modelling would be wholly inappropriate for examination of in this Committee. It is essential for the Statement of Principles, which we have looked at, that we, Network Rail, should have that responsibility in the first place for examining whether the proposed services are operationally viable. That will depend upon the detailed modelling of the Access Option when it is provided by the Department. In fact, they have not yet provided it, although we have been expecting it for some time now. As a result, we have not been able to start our detailed modelling work considering its operational viability in discussion with the industry.

  14602. However, I can say that following the completion of the Timetable Working Group in June the Promoters have now released a model to us and we have been able to make progress on validation and the Committee can be assured that there will be no delay on that account once the Access Option is finally provided to us.

  14603. I must emphasise to the Committee that it is a process which may take some time. A particular issue is what is required to make the proposed access rights operationally viable.

  14604. Can I ask if NR6, Crossrail Access Option, a Policy Paper, be put on the board. If we can go to paragraph 8.6 on page 29 of the Committee's bundle, but on page 12 and 13 of the document itself.[8] I have one final sentence to draw out and this is dealing with service levels. The Committee will see the end of paragraph 8.6: "The Access Option will, however, need to contain specific conditions precedent in relation to infrastructure provision. Given that not all design work will have been completed by that stage, these conditions will need to provide flexibility for the Secretary of State to vary the infrastructure provision to something of equivalent performance overall". One of the key matters we have to consider is what is required for operational viability. If it is not operationally viable as proposed, then steps will be required to be taken, either to secure the infrastructure or vary the Access Option. We believe it is of fundamental importance that this proposal is based on an operationally viable basis. Or, at least if it is not, that the Committee knows that that is the basis on which the proposal is proceeded with.


  14605. Once the process of verification is complete then the access option is to be submitted by the Promoters to the Office of the Rail Regulator for consultation with the industry and final decision. All of that we firmly support. The problem is, as I have said, that we have yet to see the Access Option itself.

  14606. I should just add in parenthesis the Timetable Working Group work, of which we were part and supported, was not that examination. It simply looked to see if there was an "in principle" potential.

  14607. Our concern is to an extent increased by the absence of clear assurances from the Promoters. The letter from the Minister dated 29 June 2006—can I have that shown; I know the Committee has seen it before—this is NR11, page 53.[9] I was not going to read it again but it expressed in broad terms dealing with the general intent of the Minister to follow the Access Option route. However, we wrote to the Promoters on 28 June 2006 seeking specific clarification of the status of assurances in the response to our Petition. On 3 July we had a meeting with the Department, and on 7 July our agents again sought confirmation of what had been discussed at the meeting from the Promoters. It is a matter of concern to neither matter have we had a reply. It is not a matter of semantics.


  14608. To give an example, in a response paper (and I do not show you; it is the example I am interested in) it is said, importantly, that in periods of disruption the fast and slow lines will be managed together, and that Crossrail will not have absolute priority. It is an important principle to ensure that the network is used to its best ability. That principle, to ensure that the network is operated for the public as a whole, is one we want to be clear about. That is why we have asked for the Department to state what its position is in that respect. As I say, at present we have not had an answer. In short, therefore, we believe the Committee does not at present have the assurance of a service that is operationally viable; and that the industry processes are essential to resolve that issue.

  14609. Because the Department has not yet provided the Access Option there will inevitably be delay in our being able to provide any guidance as to the position. So, in the first place, we raise the question as to whether the Committee would wish to have evidence on this once the Access Option is produced and some examination has been able to take place. However, in any event, we would submit that as far as the Access Option route is concerned that either the railway powers in the Bill should be adjusted, or the Promoters should be required to give far more specific assurances as to their use than at present the Committee has.

  14610. Can I finally and shortly come to the effect of construction. This project has a seven-year construction period, to be taking place on the live rail network. Both to the east and the west of the tunnel portals there are plainly critical implications for the operation of our network. We believe it is essential that we are provided with appropriate protective provisions in that respect.

  14611. I have explained the unfortunate history of the negotiations, and particularly having moved from a position of agreement last Tuesday to a disagreement at 6.30 last Friday. I would like just to state formally our understanding which my learned friend, I think, can confirm and that is, that it is now agreed that all the clauses are agreed except for three clauses: one is clause 2(7) and the others are clauses 2(9)-2(11). They are dealing with the question of transfer and our position, as I have indicated, is that we are a non profit-making body who looks for funding and, therefore, our concern is that the requirement for us to pay should be limited to that extent at the relevant time. Schedule 2, as to the manner in which disputes as to the undertaking are given to this House or to Parliament are to be adjudicated, and the enforcement in particular we should have directly of those undertakings.

  14612. Subject to the Committee's view and to avoid troubling the Committee unnecessarily the Promoters and we have agreed that a period two weeks to resolve the outstanding matters should be provided—if they are not we may need to trouble the Committee again, but we would not intend to trouble the Committee today.

  14613. Can I briefly turn to Paddington and finally. The Committee has already received evidence on this and will be well aware of the difficulties. We have been working with the Promoters for many months to seek ways in which closure of the terminal can be avoided, having regard to safety and other considerations.

  14614. I would ask you to look at NR14 which is a letter of 16 June 2006, page 66, and that has attached to it a position statement in full and up-to-date terms of what we are seeking. I do no more than summarise very briefly.[10] "As presently proposed it is likely that many essential station services and some station facilities will, at the very least, be severely compromised and at worst, may not be able to function at all". Then it goes on in the document and if we can turn over to the next page, this deals with the situation in the station and its importance—matters which the Committee will be familiar with.[11] If we go to the next page again it sets out the particular interface of Departures Road, paragraph 2.8, and the essential service that that provides. Secondly, over the page again, it deals with Macmillan House and provision made there.



  14615. On the following pages we consider the effects of the works setting out assurances that we require. If I can go to paragraph 3.7 this deals with our requirement with the effect on taxis and disabled persons parking. 3.8 deals with the effect on station servicing. 3.9 the effect upon station parking, that is operational parking. 3.10, of acute importance, is station emergency arrangements. Departures Road is the principal evacuation routine in times of emergency. "[It] is a fundamental requirement to maintain route station operations and unless Network Rail is able to demonstrate that it can evacuate users at all times it may be necessary to close part or all of the station". On that we want and we look for firm assurances.

  14616. 3.11 is the effect upon Macmillan House. If we go to 3.11.3, what we have done is look for the key operations and sought assurances in that respect. 3.12 deals with the ticket office operation. 3.14 is left luggage.

  14617. That letter was sent explaining in full what our requirements were. We have still not received any open commitment or assurance to give us the confidence that this essential portal to our city capital is able to be kept operational and otherwise to minimise the disruption to the network. I am bound to say we regard that at this stage as clearly unsatisfactory and we look for a response in the form of the assurances or a convincing explanation why they cannot be given.

  14618. Unless I can assist the Committee further, that is all I wish to say in opening.

  14619. Mr Liddell-Grainger: I am slightly confused insofar as you have obviously made it clear you are negotiating still with the Promoters, I cannot quite see what you want us to do at this precise moment. What we are trying to ascertain is what you want this Committee to do now. If you feel it would be more useful to continue your deliberations and come back, would that be helpful or not?


8   Committee Ref: A167, Department for Transport: Crossrail Access Option-A Policy Paper, Para 8.6 (LNEWD-21605-029). Back

9   Committee Ref: A167, Correspondence form Department for Transport to Network Rail, 29 June 2006 (LNEWD-21605A-006). Back

10   Committee Ref: A167, The Impact of Crossrail at Paddington Station- Network Rail Assessment (LNEWD-21605A-015). Back

11   Committee Ref: A167, The Impact of Crossrail at Paddington Station- Network Rail Assessment (LNEWD-21605A-016 to -025). Back


 
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