Select Committee on Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence


Examination of Witnesses (Questions 15540 - 15559)

  15540. Then if we go to the next slide, please.[7] We can see the Port of Felixstowe is identified and you recorded certain details about it, identifying that it is the fifth largest container port in Northern Europe. As a port does it compete with other ports in Northern Europe?

  (Mr Harston) We do compete, particularly with the ports in Rotterdam and Antwerp who also are expanding very rapidly and are always looking to secure a greater share of UK trade.

  15541. As far as generation of freight by rail is concerned, can you help the Committee as to the largest single generator of freight by rail in this country?

   (Mr Harston) In terms of containerised trade, it is by far the port of Felixstowe.

  15542. Then you record on those slides in detail about the volume. We can pass on to slide 7 where we see Felixstowe South reconfiguration.[8] This provides for some additional, nearly a kilometre of quay?

  (Mr Harston) Very much so.

  15543. It increased the capacity to 5.29 million, and those are called 20 foot equivalent units. That is effectively half a container as we might recognise it, is it?

   (Mr Harston) It is. If you look at the 40 foot containers that you see on the public highway, those are two TEUs—I am sure you have been burdened with lots of railway buzzwords but that is one of our industry terms. It is how we measure our throughput, 20 foot equivalent units.

  15544. This records what happens by way of the application having been made, the inquiry beginning, planning permission coming to be granted and a resolution to make a Harbour Revision Order. The work is still to be undertaken, of course, physically to construct that?

   (Mr Harston) Yes.

  15545. That is recognised and permitted by the Secretary of State. If we go to the next slide, can you help us there, please, as to these quotations?[9]

  (Mr Harston) Yes, in the context of Felixstowe South because we are actually reconfiguring the existing port—that is why it is a "reconfiguration" rather than a "new development"—it was recognised by the first Secretary of State that the Felixstowe South reconfiguration would make a contribution to meeting an urgent and recognised national need, as the slide says; but, importantly, while achieving improved safety on the roads and increasing the share of goods by rail. Obviously the Secretary of State for Transport said there is a pressing need for additional deepwater container facilities in the UK and that Felixstowe South is suitable for meeting that need and would do so.

  15546. You also record what the Secretary of State for Transport records, namely a pressing need for additional deepwater container handling facilities in the United Kingdom with Felixstowe being suitable for meeting that need and would do so and the source of the relevant decision letters?

   (Mr Harston) Which is very recent—February 2006.

  15547. Mr Straker: Then if we go over to slide 9, please.[10]


  15548. Mr Liddell-Grainger: Mr Straker, you have made the point very eloquently. We know this is important and know you have done a lot of work. What I want to know is what you want us to do. We cannot give you an extra kilometre of landing space at Felixstowe. I am sure you have come to us with something to do with Crossrail. Perhaps we could move on.

  15549. Mr Straker: Most certainly, sir. For clarification can we just glance at slides 9 and 10.[11] The particular reason why it is important to have that in mind is because the Secretary of State, in deciding to say "Yes, you can have your new container terminal at Bathside Bay", which is shown in slide 9 and then spoken to in slide 10, was because you were saying this is a matter of imperative reason of overriding public interest that it should be there, with the freight to go by rail, or a given proportion?

  (Mr Harston) Yes.

  15550. We then go to slide 11, and we see the rail performance in 2006.[12] That identifies, does it, what is happening at the moment?

  (Mr Harston) It does. Again, it is the figures we talked about—slightly over 24 trains at the moment but, importantly, 18 of those trains, or 36 paths daily, requiring the transit of the Great Eastern Maine Line, the railway works that we talked about earlier

  15551. Thank you. Then if we go to slide 12, please.[13] You will see the situation in 2014.

  (Mr Harston) At that stage our forecasts, which are in the public domain, predict 30 train departures from Bathside Bay, and Felixstowe at that stage (because Bathside Bay, the first stage, will be developed) generates 677,000 containers annually; but again, importantly in the context of the debate here, 22 trains a day via the Great Eastern Main Line, or 44 paths.

  15552. We can note, can we, that this was all agreed with the Strategic Rail Authority and the Highways Agency at the public inquiries?

   (Mr Harston) It was indeed, at both public inquiries—Felixstowe South and for the Harwich International Container Terminal.

  15553. The public inquiries have taken something in excess of six months?

   (Mr Harston) That is correct.

  15554. Then you have the position at slide 13 for Haven Ports rail requirements 2023.[14] You have done on this slide a similar picture but of course with different numbers by this stage, where you are looking at 47 train departures from the Haven Ports each day in 2023?

  (Mr Harston) That is correct. Again, this was our transport assessment, our own planning forecasts and the 15-year period that we considered in terms of traffic generation from our ports, and the impact that those volumes would have on the national network; but also the requirements of the Highways Agency and the Strategic Rail Authority to increase the modal share and get more goods on rail through Felixstowe and in turn, importantly, that would then take us in excess of a million containers annually moving by rail from the two developments; and, very importantly, 34 trains daily via the Great Eastern, or 68 paths.

  15555. How did it come to pass that 2023 was looked at?
  (Mr Harston) Because that was 15 years from the date of implementation of the works, which was the period we agreed to consider.

  15556. Then you refer at slide 14 to a joint study/statement of common ground.[15] Can you help us about this document, please?

  (Mr Harston) I have got a copy here; it is not a document that we are intending to submit but it is publicly available on the planning inspectorate website. The joint study approach and statement of common ground was the way, through our own public inquiries, we approached the issue of future rail and road capacity. In terms of railways the joint study and the statement was produced in conjunction with the Strategic Rail Authority, Suffolk County Council and Suffolk Coastal District Council. The findings that came out of the joint study and the recommendations of works to be undertaken were verified by Network Rail and, importantly, the Strategic Access Planning Team, the SAP team, within that; and that the conclusions, very briefly stated there, were that the Great Eastern Main Line, in combination with the North London Line (and you have heard a lot about railways and roads, this is the M25 around London as far as our trains are concerned) can provide enough capacity for a 25% share in the Felixstowe South only scenario, and that until 2017 there are enough paths.

  15557. Mr Liddell-Grainger: Mr Straker, we understand; you have made your point; the Committee has got it. Can we move on? We are delighted about the roads in Suffolk but we want to know what you want us to do for you?

  15558. Mr Straker: Of course, sir. Can it just be noted there, that last point in evidence being given, that there is presently sufficient capacity which has been identified as present until 2017 as recorded there, and until 2018. Can we just glance through slide 15, because there we see what it was that HPUK actually did by way of works to the national railway network and how that was dealt with and has been reported to the Secretary of State, and similarly on slide 16.[16][17] Slide 17 records the importance of non-displacement of rail traffic; and that is verified again in slides 18 and 19 and what actually happens.[18][19][20] Then if we just go on to slide 20, please.[21] We can see there the approach that was followed at HPUK public inquiries. The design year taken; committed developments must be included in assessment; wider impacts must be considered. Pausing there, for example Doncaster, how far do the works that you have been asked to undertake extend?






  (Mr Harston) Doncaster, for instance, is approximately 180 miles from Felixstowe, and we are required to consider works and impacts through to what was termed the "South Yorkshire terminals" The impact of the Port of Felixstowe and Harwich developments, located as they are in Suffolk and Essex, were considered to have an effect as far afield as Selby, Doncaster and Leeds. We as Hutchison Ports were required to provide a solution; importantly to fund those works, which one of the earlier points on slide 15, I think, noted—that, Crossrail aside, I think we do probably represent the largest private sector investment in the railway network. My company will be paying something of the order of £75 million for railway works, for which it is very important that we secure this capacity to support our schemes, and for which my shareholders (like some of the other Petitioners that have been before you) are looking for the certainty and security, so that investment achieves the return it was designed to.

  15559. Then we go to slide 22, please.[22] Here we see the problem. Can you just take us through this, please?

  (Mr Harston) Indeed, notwithstanding the points that were made at the opening today, I think Mr Watson's work of last week did identify that Crossrail worsens capacity on the Great Eastern by a further eight paths in 2015. From our point of view we do not believe that the forecasts we could have provided were taken account of in any shape or form, nor the statements that had been made previously by at least the Strategic Rail Authority with work provided by the SAP team which identified that our work had sufficient capacity until at least 2017. We do believe that Crossrail worsens the available rail capacity, specifically on the Great Eastern but, importantly, therefore on the route through the North London Line and connectivity for the rest of the country; that Crossrail did not consider committed, nationally important developments such as our own; and that there appears to be no certainty about the real impact of Crossrail specifically as far as our own freight impact on the network is concerned.


7   Committee Ref: A173, Port of Felixstowe (LINEWD-11705-007). Back

8   Committee Ref: A173, Felixstowe South Reconfiguration (LINEWD-11705-008). Back

9   Committee Ref: A173, Felixstowe South Reconfiguration (LINEWD-11705-009). Back

10   Committee Ref: A173, Harwich International Container Terminal at Bathside Bay (LINEWD-11705-010). Back

11   Committee Ref: A173, Harwich International Container Terminal at Bathside Bay (LINEWD-11705-011). Back

12   Committee Ref: A173, Current 2006 Felixstowe Rail Performance (LINEWD-11705-012). Back

13   Committee Ref: A173, Predicted Haven Ports Rail Requirements 2014 (LINEWD-11705-013). Back

14   Committee Ref: A173, Predicted Haven Ports Rail Requirements 2023 (LINEWD-11705-014). Back

15   Committee Ref: A173, Joint Study/ Statement of Common Ground (LINEWD-11705-015). Back

16   Committee Ref: A173, HPUK Rail Works to National Railway Network (LINEWD-11705-016). Back

17   Committee Ref: A173, HPUK Rail Works (LINEWD-11705-017). Back

18   Committee Ref: A173, Displacement of Rail Traffic (LINEWD-11705-018 ). Back

19   Committee Ref: A173, Displacement of Rail Traffic (LINEWD-11705-019). Back

20   Committee Ref: A173, Displacement of Rail Traffic- Environmental Consequences (LINEWD-11705-020). Back

21   Committee Ref: A173, Approach at HPUK Public Inquiries (LINEWD-11705-021). Back

22   Committee Ref: A173, HPUK-Problem (LINEWD-11705-022). Back


 
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