Select Committee on Foreign Affairs Minutes of Evidence


Letter to the Chairman of the Committee from Rt Hon Ian McCartney MP, Minister of State for Trade, Investment and Foreign Affairs

  At the Westminster Hall debate on the Foreign Affairs Committee Report on East Asia on 1 February, I promised to update you on the UK-China Human Rights Dialogue, and the wider human rights discussions I have been having in the region.

  The 15th round of the UK-China Human Rights Dialogue took place in London on Monday 5 February. At the end of the Dialogue I met the head of the Chinese delegation, Dr Shen Yongxiang, Special Representative on Human Rights, Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

  I stressed the public and parliamentary interest in China's progress and engagement on human rights. I left Dr Shen in no doubt of the value that we attach to the Dialogue. As I said during the Westminster Hall debate, I believe human rights requires a long-term dialogue, not only as a means of sharing information but also as a channel for discussing often difficult issues on a regular basis. I also made clear to Dr Shen that the Dialogue is just one strand of a much wider engagement that includes a growing portfolio of successful project work, ministerial and official exchanges and work through EU and international mechanisms.

  The Dialogue produced frank discussions on a wide range of human rights issues. Overall, there were signs of progress. The Supreme People's Court recovered its right to review all death sentences on 1 January 2007. China implemented new guidelines for foreign correspondents which temporarily lift restrictions on travel and the requirement to seek official permission for interviews up to and during the Olympics. And we received a constructive response on 35 of the 45 individual cases of concern we raised.

  But despite continued international pressure, progress in other areas, notably ratification of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), remains slow.

  The main themes were civil society and the role of defence lawyers in the criminal justice system. The Chinese authorities recognised the contribution that civil society has made to the market economy and social support services in China. They stated candidly that many existing laws and regulations prevented NGOs and INGOs from developing and were outdated. We made recommendations for reform, emphasising the need for a simplified and transparent regulatory framework, as in the UK. A senior representative of the Royal National Institute for the Deaf—the first UK NGO to play a leading role in the main talks—described how the charity successfully lobbied to improve a public service.

  In parallel to the main talks at the Dialogue, legal experts took part in a workshop on the role of defence lawyers. A detailed case study involving the detention, arrest and eventual charging of a suspect helped to focus discussions on the areas of Chinese practice which remain incompatible with the ICCPR. During the two-day fieldtrip to Belfast that followed, the case study culminated in a mock trial hosted by the Lord Chief Justice, and a visit to the custody suite of a police station. It is in areas like this, where China has already shown a willingness to implement reforms (China is in the lengthy and complex process of reforming its Criminal Procedure Law) that I believe we can have the most impact in shaping China's thinking in positive directions, particularly through projects.

  We take a multi-layered approach to engaging China on human rights. High-level messaging is important to encourage progress at the top. But project work is the most effective way to deliver more immediate results on the ground. We have used the Global Opportunities Fund to support a number of projects aimed at developing the rule of law. The Lord Chancellor's Training Scheme for Young Chinese Lawyers (LCTS) gives Chinese lawyers practical experience of litigation and court procedure. The UK has significant expertise in safeguarding the rights of defendants and their defence lawyers from which China can benefit. I know that the Chinese participants found the workshop session particularly valuable.

  When the Foreign Secretary met Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing last September, she made the point that China's early ratification of the ICCPR would go a long way to reassure the international community that China is serious about improving human rights. At the Dialogue, Dr Shen would not or could not elaborate on a timetable for ratification, despite my repeated requests. This was disappointing. With EU partners, we will continue to make the case that it is in everyone's interests—Chinese citizens and the international community—for China to ratify the ICCPR with the minimum number of reservations and to implement it in its true spirit.

  In August 2006 I wrote to the Chinese Ambassador to urge China to give fresh impetus to reforming the Re-education through Labour (RTL) system. At the Dialogue, we gave a cautious welcome to China's plans to reduce the scope of the RTL system and the maximum sentence length, while pushing for details of concrete steps and timing. We will continue to raise our concerns about this and all other forms of administrative detention and press for more urgent progress.

  Torture remains a serious, widespread problem in China, as the Special Rapporteur on Torture noted in the report on his visit at the end of 2005. But there have been positive signs since. Senior Chinese government figures have openly recognised that forced confession is a serious problem. They have begun to pass that message on to law enforcement officials. We will continue to lobby the Chinese unambiguously to prohibit the use of evidence obtained through torture, and to take other measures which will act as a practical bar to torture, such as allowing defence lawyers a larger role in the criminal judicial process.

  At the Dialogue, we reminded China of its obligations as host of the Olympics and events such as the Shanghai Expo to ensure greater freedom of the media, information and expression. We expressed concern about the continued restrictive regime on access to information, including the blocking of websites and jamming of radio frequencies.

  During the Westminster Hall debate, you asked for an update on the role of western companies, including Sky, and the internet in China. We have made clear that it is for the companies concerned to answer questions on their co-operation with the Chinese Government. However, I understand that Google and Yahoo! are now working with the Berkman Centre for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School, Human Rights Watch and the Centre for Democracy and Technology (CDT) in Washington on a code of conduct to guide company behaviour when faced with `laws, regulations and policies that interfere with the achievement of human rights'.

  On issues like freedom of expression, we must recognise that a significant shift in China's policy in the medium term is unlikely. Nevertheless, we will continue to impress upon China our belief that progress on these issues will ensure both growth and stability, and an improvement in China's international standing.

  This is also true of issues that touch on national unity, such as the protection of minority rights in Tibet. We regularly urge the Chinese government to engage in serious negotiations with the Dalai Lama's representatives, without pre-conditions, to build a peaceful, sustainable and legitimate solution for Tibet. At the Dialogue, we urged the Chinese government to carry out a full investigation into the Nangpa Pass shooting at the end of September 2006, including reports of ill treatment of detainees. As I told Sir John Stanley at the Westminster Hall debate, I would welcome a meeting to discuss these issues further. I have written separately to Sir John inviting him to take this forward with my office.

  We also raised the "training camp" incident that took place in Xinjiang on 5 January and the execution of a Uighur Mullah which reportedly took place the same day. We raised concerns about the treatment of Christians and other religious practitioners in China. And we raised concerns about reports of the mistreatment of Falun Gong practitioners in detention.

  We noted the parliamentary and media interest in allegations of organ harvesting, including the revised report by former Canadian Minister David Kilgour, published on 1 February 2007. We welcomed draft legislation to further tighten controls over organ transplants. We urged China to ensure that it meets the World Health Organisation (WHO) requirement for free and informed consent and covers transplants taking place outside ordinary hospitals.

  We also raised China's treatment of refugees and other migrants from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK). Last July, I discussed the human rights situation in DPRK with Ministers in Japan, South Korea and China. In Japan, I met the families of Japanese citizens abducted by North Korean agents in the 1970s and 1980s. I support Japanese efforts to draw international attention to this issue.

  North Korea represents a direct challenge to international human rights standards. We take every opportunity to express our concern about the wide-ranging human rights abuses there, and are working to improve the overall flow of information on human rights issues into and out of the country. Following their nuclear test in October, I summoned the DPRK Ambassador and took the opportunity to convey a forceful message on human rights. In November, I invited the UN Special Rapporteur on Human Rights in the DPRK to the UK for talks with parliamentarians, NGOs, academics and other interested parties. In January, I chaired a workshop session on DPRK human rights, which academics, NGOs and senior officials from across Whitehall attended. At the meeting, I made a commitment to enter into an ongoing dialogue with NGOs on how best to engage North Korea on human rights.

  I will shortly be writing again to Vice-Foreign Minister Zhang Yesui to develop further our ideas for taking forward the UK-China Human Rights Dialogue. These include broadening participation by Government Departments on both sides, and revisiting key themes over a number of rounds for better continuity and more focused discussions. In a similar way we are discussing with EU partners ways to strengthen the EU-China Human Rights Dialogue. We have been able to put forward a number of the recommendations set out by the FAC in its Report on East Asia. The EU working group on human rights discussed the issue on 28 February. I will write to the Committee with more details shortly.

  I also intend to make available to NGOs, Parliament and other interested groups details of our internal strategy paper setting out how we intend to deliver our priorities on human rights, democracy and good governance in China. I believe it is important to clarify the various strands of our activity and how we prioritise to ensure that we continue to address human rights issues in the most effective way.

  Finally, I would like to remind you that I hope to visit East Asia again later this year. I would be happy to meet you, and other interested Members, nearer the time to discuss the programme of work and objectives for the visit, and to report back to you on my return.

  Engaging with China on human rights can be hard going. It requires sustained commitment. But over a long time-scale, I believe that you can see things are moving in the right direction. Since mid-2005, the Chinese have taken real steps towards a substantive reduction in the death penalty. They have strengthened measures to reduce torture by the police. They have moved towards re-drafting the criminal procedure law to promote fairer trials by improving the rights of defendants. They have renewed reform (albeit not yet abolition) of RTL. And they have substantially liberalised the rules for foreign correspondents. China is making progress, albeit slowly and ponderously. Encouragement and practical co-operation in these areas can help China towards the rule of law and greater freedom of expression.

  I am grateful to Sir John Stanley for acknowledging during the debate my long-standing personal commitment to human rights. I can assure you that I will continue to make human rights an integral part of my duties as a Minister. I am copying this letter to all Members of the Foreign Affairs Committee, and those Members who attended the Westminster Hall debate on 1 February.

Rt Hon Ian McCartney MP

Minister of State for Trade, Investment and Foreign Affairs

10 March 2007





 
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