Select Committee on Scottish Affairs Minutes of Evidence


Supplementary memorandum submitted by the Scotland Office

ANSWERS TO THE COMMITTEE'S WRITTEN QUESTIONS, 25 JULY 2007

  The Committee Clerk wrote to the Scotland Office on 25 July 2007 conveying a set of questions following the oral evidence session held with the Secretary of State, the Minister of State and the Head of the Scotland Office on 17 July.   The replies to the questions are set out in the following paragraphs.

1.   Over the last few years the provision for the Scottish Consolidated Fund grant has been consistently under-spent, including by £1 billion in 2006-07. Please clarify the causes of the 2006-07 under-spend, including which expenditure programmes and `adjustments to cash requirement' factors (Annual Report page 33) were mainly involved. What role does the Scotland Office play in monitoring under-spend or improving forecasts? (See oral evidence Q43/44 )

  The provision for the grant in aid to the Scottish Consolidated Fund is based on full year expenditure by the Scottish Executive. Any underspending by Scottish Ministers—and their causes—on programmes in Scotland is entirely a matter for the Scottish Parliament and not the Secretary of State for Scotland. Any unspent monies are accumulated in the Executive's End Year Flexibility figure and is available to Scottish Ministers in subsequent years, subject to Treasury Ministers' approval and Parliamentary approval of the appropriate Scotland Office Estimate.

  The Scottish Executive's underspend against its approved Estimate in 2006-07 was £135 million (as shown in HM Treasury's Public Expenditure Outturn White Paper 2006-07: http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk./media/1/2/peowp—0607—190707.pdf. As regards accumulated End Year Flexibility, the balance available to the Scottish Executive, as at the 31 March 2007, was £1.5 billion.

  The Scotland Office monitors the monthly draw down by the Executive for the Scottish Consolidated Fund to ensure that the aggregate drawdown does not breach the overall funding provided in the Estimates by Westminster and that the monthly figure is historically reasonable when compared to drawdown in previous years. The Office endeavours to ensure that payments to the Scottish Consolidated Fund are not made in advance of need while simultaneously recognising that the Scottish Executive needs to maintain a working balance in the Fund.

2.   The Budget 2007 announced a 2.5% a year real terms increase in education funds for the Comprehensive Spending Review (Budget 2007, Table 6.3 and para 7.73, page 157). This is reflected in the Scotland Office Annual Report, which cites an additional £1.8 billion for the Scottish Executive as a result of "spending increases in UK government departments (mostly education)" (2007 Scotland Office Annual Report, paragraph 7.5). Is this purely a result of applying the Barnett Formula, or does this represent further funding on top?

    (a)  Are there any restrictions on the Scottish Executive's ability to deploy the extra funding arising from increases in education funds for England, for example on non-education related expenditure? If not, how are UK wide initiatives to be driven forward?

  The additional funding set out in paragraph 7.5 of the Report reflect the "Barnett" consequentials of the announcements made by the Chancellor on 21 March 2007. It does not represent any further funding beyond this. As indicated in that paragraph, decisions on how to deploy those monies are entirely a matter for Scottish Executive Ministers. In reserved areas which apply UK- wide, it is for UK Government Ministers to decide and fund spending.

3.   Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses 2007, Table 9.4, shows that the difference in expenditure per head in Scotland and England was expected to have grown again in 2006-07 (a difference of 17.1% in 2004-05, 19.7% in 2005-06 and 21.1% in 2006-07)

Table 9.5

TOTAL IDENTIFIABLE EXPENDITURE ON SERVICES BY COUNTRY AND REGION PER HEAD IN REAL TERMS, [11]2001-02 TO 2006-07
accruals, £ per head
National Statistics
2001-022002-03 2003-042004-05 2005-062006-07
outturnoutturn outturnoutturn outturnoutturn
North East6,815 6,9847,3987,572 7,8147,980
North West6,3606,567 6,9547,2287,481 7,610
Yorkshire and Humberside5,948 6,1216,4316,708 6,9497,014
East Midlands5,3595,423 5,7476,0576,205 6,334
West Midlands5,6875,838 6,2236,5126,757 6,894
Eastern4,9265,145 5,5045,7165,928 5,995
London6,6116,932 7,6087,7818,164 8,200
South East4,9515,126 5,4955,8255,960 6,151
South West5,5195,536 5,9316,2006,398 6,516
England5,7535,930 6,3426,6036,835 6,949
Scotland6,9807,152 7,6307,7298,179 8,414
Wales6,6757,019 7,3187,5147,784 7,943
Northern Ireland7,792 8,0168,2408,451 8,7139,158
UK identifiable expenditure5,962 6,1486,5546,796 7,0497,184


Is the Barnett formula intended to close the gap between spending in England and spending in Scotland? Why is the gap widening? (Oral evidence Q47)

  PESA table 9.4 does not separately identify the effect of the Barnett formula on spending in Scotland over time. The figures in this table are comprised of both devolved and reserved spend; the former is Barnett related, the latter is not.

  The table 9.4 figures also mainly relate to outturn and as such year to year variations can in part be due to end of year under spend. They show what was spent, rather than what was originally allocated. Instead a better figure to use is that which is delivered by the Comprehensive Spending review documents1 (see annex for tables). The figures from the CSR documents show the plans for DEL allocation which is the basis of the Barnett calculations. These figures clearly show Scottish spend as a proportion of UK spend, declining from 7.9% to 7.5% over the period of CSR 2000, from 7.6% to 7.4% over the course of CSR 2002, and from 7.6% to 7.5% over the course of CSR 2004. [12]In addition table 9.2 of PESA shows that the Scotland spending per head index relative to the UK is the same in 2006-07 as 2001-02.

  A further complication in trying to use PESA 9.4 figures to identify the impact of the Barnett formula concerns the impact of additional acts of devolution (mainly executive devolution) since 1999. For example the transfer of rail powers to Scottish Ministers in 2005 led to a significant step increase in the Scottish budget (around £360 million) to fund these transferred powers.

  The intention of the Barnett formula is to provide the devolved administrations with a population based share of comparable changes in spending of UK Government departments. The details are set out in the Statement of Funding Policy.

    (a)  To what extent does the Barnett Formula, with its automatic increases in funding for Scotland, take away incentives for the Executive to be more efficient in its programmes? What is the Scotland Office's view on the extent to which the Formula contributes to producing the sort of lax financial discipline identified by the Howat review?

  It is not for the Scotland Office to comment on how the Scottish Executive spends its money, it is fundamental to the devolution settlement that the Scottish Executive has the autonomy to make their own spending decisions over devolved matters. The Scottish Executive has published details of its own efficiency programme.

  The Scottish Executive adheres to the Scottish Public Finance Manual, which was issued by the Scottish Ministers to provide guidance to the Scottish Executive and other relevant bodies on the proper handling and reporting of public funds. It sets out the relevant statutory, parliamentary and administrative requirements, emphasises the need for economy, efficiency and effectiveness, and promotes good practice and high standards of propriety. It also includes details of the duty of best value placed on all accountable officers to make arrangements to secure continuous improvement in performance whilst maintaining an appropriate balance between quality and cost.

  The Barnett formula is transparent and fair and the Government has no plans to change it.

    (a)  The Scottish Executive can increase funding for additional programmes or higher expenditure through its facility to increase income tax by 3% or by increasing rate levels for Non-domestic Rates. But what incentives are there in the Barnett Formula for a Scottish Executive opting for generally lower overall expenditure levels?

  It is not for the Scotland Office to speculate on the factors which might influence decisions on these tax varying matters. The powers for such variations are specified in the Scotland Act and a matter for the Scottish Executive and Parliament.

4.   In determining the provision for the Scottish Consolidated Fund grant, account is taken of a planned £1,406 million funding from the National Insurance Fund for the NHS in Scotland, for each year of the current Spending Review period (Annual Report pp 32-34). Why was the actual funding in 2006-07 from this source—£1,799m—so much higher than planned?

  HM Revenue and Customs are responsible for providing notification of expected funding from the National Insurance Fund to the Scottish Executive. This notification was not provided until the latter end of 2006-07. At the beginning of 2006-07, the Scottish Executive estimated that £1,406 million, which was based on the 2005-06 figure, would be transferred but, due to changes in contributions, the sum realised was £1,799 million.

5.   Annually Managed Expenditure (AME) in Scotland is planned to increase in 2007-08 to £3,489 million, from £2,530 million the year before (Annual Report, pp 33-34). What are the main factors behind this increase?

  The AME figures are subject to considerable volatility as they are influenced by the costs of the NHS and Teachers Pension Schemes. The figure of £2,530 million relates to the estimated outturn for 2006-07 whereas the figure of £3,489 million is an estimate of the provision that will be required for 2007-08. Annually Managed Expenditure forecasts are agreed with the Treasury for publication alongside the Pre-Budget Report and the Spring Budget.


6.   Please provide figures which indicate how much the funding allocated to the Scottish Parliament has grown since its establishment. (Oral evidence Q53)

  The funds allocated to the Scottish Parliament—and the relevant expenditure—from the Scottish Block are matters for the Scottish Parliament and Scottish Ministers, not the Secretary of State for Scotland. HM Treasury publishes data in PESA table 1.12 covering 2001-02 to 2007-08; data for prior years is not available on a consistent basis. In addition, a number of functions have been devolved since 1999, eg Rail, and thus direct comparisons are not possible.

7.   What proportion of the funding provided by the Scottish Executive to local authorities is ring-fenced for Executive-specified purposes and programmes? What proportion of local authorities' overall expenditure is supported by ring-fenced funding from the Executive? (Oral evidence Q57)

  The allocation of funds to local authorities in Scotland is a matter for the Scottish Parliament and Scottish Ministers, and not the Secretary of State for Scotland. The Committee may, however, wish to read the Executive's Draft Budget for 2007-08 which was published in September 2006 and which provides considerable detail about the Executive's plans for local authority spending. This is available at:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/146893/0038508.pdf

8.   The Scotland Office's main function is to represent Scotland's interests within UK government. Is there also a reverse function of representing policies driven from Westminster to the Scottish Executive and Scottish Parliament? If so, what are the mechanisms for doing this?

  The Scotland Office fulfils the function of representing Government driven policies to the Scottish Executive. This is complemented by the necessary and frequent bilateral exchanges—ministerial and official—that take place between UK departments which deal on a day-to-day basis with the issues at stake and the Scottish Executive.

  The key area where the Scotland Office represents policies driven from Westminster is in our management of the Sewel Convention. The Scotland Office ensures the Scottish Executive is aware of the Government's legislative plans and is responsible for settling any outstanding Scottish devolution issues before a Bill is introduced at Westminster. The mechanisms that exist to do this include regular dialogue at official level and ministerial discussions between the Secretary of State and First Minister, Minister of State and Scottish Executive Minister for Parliamentary Business and Scotland Office Ministers and lead UK Ministers (as well as bilateral exchanges—in writing and orally—between the relevant subject ministers in the Government and Scottish Executive).

  The Scotland Office also engages directly with wider stakeholders and the public in Scotland as the Government does across the UK, particularly in relation to the delivery of its reserved responsibilities. For example, the Scotland Office is currently seeking via its website views from the Scottish people on the Government's draft legislative programme.

  While the Scotland Office's primary relationship in terms of representing Government policy is with the Scottish Executive, we also engage with the Scottish Parliament. Annually we provide the Scottish Parliament with a copy of the Secretary of State's statement on the application to Scotland of the Government's legislative programme. The then Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, Anne McGuire MP, also gave evidence to the Scottish Parliament's Procedures Committee on the Sewel Convention in March 2005. UK Ministers (eg Minister for Europe) have also addressed the Scottish Parliament or have submitted written contributions to Scottish Parliamentary committee inquiries (eg on the Constitutional Reform Act 2005).

9.   What is the role of the Scotland Office in monitoring and policing the devolution settlement? What role does the Ministry of Justice play? How will this process be affected by the change of Scottish Executive administration in Edinburgh?

    (a)  How does the Scotland Office ensure that Scottish Executive driven policies don't undermine UK wide initiatives?

    (b)  Do you anticipate that greater use will be made of the Joint Ministerial Committees (JMCs) now that there is an SNP led administration in the Scottish Executive? What discussion has there been so far?

    (c)  Joint Ministerial Committees are not mentioned in the Scotland Office Annual Report. What is the role of the Scotland Office in supporting JMCs?

  Scotland's devolution settlement is designed to allow the Scottish Executive to take their own decisions on matters within the Scottish Parliament's legislative competence without seeking agreement from the UK Government.

  The Scotland Office's responsibility for maintaining a stable settlement includes the monitoring of policy developments emerging from the Scottish Executive and where appropriate we ensure bilateral contact with the relevant UK department where these developments have a bearing on their responsibilities, particularly in relation to reserved matters, where cross border issues arise or simply to share best practice.

  The Scotland Office also monitor all legislation going through the Scottish Parliament in line with statutory functions under the Scotland Act. The Scotland Office does so in line with the powers available at section 35 of the Scotland Act, which allow the Secretary of State (which could be any Secretary of State) to make an Order prohibiting the Scottish Parliament's Presiding Officer from submitting a Scottish Bill for Royal Assent, which the Secretary of State has reasonable grounds to believe would be incompatible with any international obligations, the interests of defence or the interests of national security. There has never been a requirement to exercise this power.

  The Secretary of State may also make an Order under section 35 if he or she reasonably believes that the Scottish Parliament Bill makes modifications to, and would have an adverse effect on, the operation of the law as it applies to reserved matters. There has never been a requirement to exercise this power. The Secretary of State has further powers at section 58 of the Scotland Act to prevent or require action by a member of the Scottish Executive in relation to compliance with international obligations. Again this power has not been exercised.

  The Advocate General for Scotland also exercises statutory functions under the Scotland Act. In particular, under section 33 of the Scotland Act, he may refer to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council the question of whether a Bill passed by the Scottish Parliament, or a provision of it, would be within the legislative competence of the Parliament. The making of such a reference prevents the Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament from submitting the Bill for Royal Assent, until the matter has been resolved. By virtue of Schedule 6 to the Scotland Act, the Advocate General can also raise proceedings in the courts, or require or make a referral to the Judicial Committee, on a devolution issue (ie in broad terms, a question whether legislation of the Scottish Parliament or acts of the Scottish Ministers are, respectively, within legislative or devolved competence, which may include the question whether the legislation or act is compliant with human rights or EC law). Statute requires that the Advocate General should receive notice of all devolution issues raised in court cases and he can intervene in them. The Advocate General's functions are entirely distinct from, and independent of, those of the Secretary of State.

  The Ministry of Justice is responsible for the overall management of relations between the Government and the devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and works closely with the territorial offices to ensure that Government departments receive guidance and advice on working with the devolved administrations.

  The Government is publicly committed to considering the use of Joint Ministerial Committees. The Memorandum of Understanding itself tells us that most contact "should be carried out on a bilateral or multi-lateral basis, between departments which deal on a day-to-day basis with the issues at stake", and that is the way things worked in practice with the previous administration and continue to work with the new Scottish Executive (eg on climate change, the response to the recent terrorist incidents in London and Glasgow or in the response to the outbreak of Foot and Mouth Disease).

  The Secretary of State for Scotland is a member of the JMC in its plenary form and can participate in functional JMCs as appropriate (eg as he or the Minister of State do in JMC Europe, which continues to meet regularly). Likewise, Scotland Office officials participate as appropriate in any official level forum that shadows the JMC.

10.   The Scotland Office Annual Report states in the Forward Objectives chapter that a substantive task facing the Briefing Services and Support Division will be the "implementation of all relevant secondary legislation connected with the funding and conduct of the May 2007 elections" (2.9). What implementation remains to be done?

  As of the beginning of April 2007, four administrative Orders required to be approved and signed by the Secretary of State. These were:

    (i)  The Scottish Parliamentary Elections (Returning Officers' Charges) Order 2007;

    (ii)  The Scottish Parliamentary General Election 2007 and Local Government Election—Determination by the Secretary of State;

    (iii)  The Returning Officers' Accounts (Scottish Parliamentary Elections) Regulations 2007; and

    (iv)  The Scottish Parliamentary Elections (Designation of Constituency Returning Officers and Sheriff Clerks) Order 2007.

  These were signed on 22 April 2007.

  Detailed guidance on the completion of accounts was created and a small working party of Returning Officers were consulted on its content. Advances were made to Returning Officers (ROs) in early April and we await the submission of accounts from ROs of the costs involved. Such costs will be subject to the Charges Order noted above.

11.   The Scotland Office Annual Report states that the "boundary between reserved and devolved competencies is complex in many aspects of energy policy whilst Scottish interests have a significant bearing on UK policy" (2.14). What are the respective responsibilities and functions of the Scottish Executive and the UK Government in this policy area?

  In terms of energy matters the following are reserved: policy on the generation, transmission, distribution and supply of electricity; oil and gas policy; coal, including its ownership and exploitation, deep and opencast mining and coal mining subsidence; policy on nuclear energy; and energy conservation by prohibition or legislation. The key devolved matters are: energy efficiency promotion (other than by prohibition or legislation); the promotion of renewables including the Scottish Renewables Obligation; consents for power stations over 50 megawatts and for overhead lines; and consents for gas pipelines.

12.   The Scotland Office has only three targets and these relate not to the Office's high level objectives, but to mainly administrative tasks. What consideration have you given to possible targets that would measure other, more fundamentally important, aspects of your performance? Without specific targets for your core tasks, how are you able to demonstrate that "Scotland's interests... are known and represented" or that you are fully undertaking your "constitutional functions under the Scotland Act"? [Objective-1 and Objective-2]

  We have considered carefully the possibility of introducing targets that more directly measure the degree to which our high level targets are achieved. However, given that the main activities of the Office involve advice, coordination and influence it is difficult to identify appropriate measures. Nonetheless we keep this aspect of performance measurement closely under review, including the way staff tasks are assessed in relation to the high level objectives.

  Ensuring that Scotland's interests in relation to reserved areas are known and represented within the UK Government involves both determining what Scotland's interests are and representing those interests to UK Government Departments. We do the former by engaging closely with stakeholders and interest groupings in Scotland on a regular and systematic basis and the latter through bilateral exchanges with Departments and through our briefing for SO Ministers' active involvement in Cabinet Committee meetings. While numbers of meetings with stakeholders or numbers of Cabinet Committee meetings attended might give some standard of input, it does not measure the degree to which the target is achieved and neither is it easy to find a suitable grouping from whom to seek a qualitative judgement on degree of achievement. In addition much of what we may achieve is necessarily "behind the scenes" and therefore not readily available as public information.

  Fulfilling all requirements in relation to the UK Government and Parliament activities concerning Scotland and in relation to constitutional functions under the Scotland Act is less subjective because it will have a visible process-driven base. But plain references to the incidence or type of process does not indicate the quality of the input—or still less the outcome. In addition it is largely demand-led in the sense that it depends upon the number of Orders that the Scottish Executive might want as well as their complexity. A simple list of such Orders, or indeed the number of Bills that require Legislative Consent (Sewel) Motions, can only ever be a partial measure of the degree to which the target is achieved.

  The third target—handling all financial matters timeously and with propriety—is more measurable. One of our three specific measures is a financial one which addresses the timeous payment of accounts. Payments into the Scottish Consolidated Fund we view as an essential task which would have critical consequences if mishandled. There has been no case of mishandling since these payment arrangements began in 1999.

J R Wildgoose

Accounting Officer

Scotland Office

12 September 2007

Annex

Scotland Office memorandum to the Scottish Affairs Committee

CSR 200 DEL (£ BILLION, NOMINAL TERMS)
1999-20002000-01 2001-022002-03 2003-04
Total UK DEL176.8195.2 212.1229.3245.7
Scotland DEL13.915 16.217.418.4
Scottish DEL as a % of UK DEL7.9% 7.7%7.6%7.6% 7.5%


CSR 2002 DEL (ADJUSTED FOR FULL RESOURCE BUDGETING)
2002-032003-04 2004-052005-06
Total UK DEL239.7263.4 279.8301
Scotland DEL18.219.7 20.922.3
Scottish DEL as a % of UK DEL7.6% 7.5%7.5%7.4%


CSR 2004 SPENDING PROJECTIONS TOTAL DEL
2004-052005-06 2006-072007-08
Total UK DEL279.3 301.9321.4340.5
Scotland DEL21.322.8 24.225.5
Scottish DEL as a % of UK DEL7.6% 7.6%7.5%7.5%





11   CSR 2000-table A2-http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/spending_review/spending_review_2000/spending_review_report/spend_sr00_repannexa.cfmCSR 2002_table A3-http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/Spending_Review/spend_sr02/report/spend_sr02_repannexa.cfm Back

12   CSR 2002 saw the introduction of full resource budgeting-a change in accounting system to reflect issues such as depreciation, the cost of capital, and provisions for future payments. As such the DEL values given before this change are not directly comparable with those following the change. Back


 
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