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House of Commons

 
 

Thursday 15th May 2008

 

Public Bill Committee Proceedings

 

Counter-Terrorism Bill


 

[Thirteenth and Fourteenth Sittings]


 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Not selected  196

 

Page  49,  line  4,  leave out Clause 68.

 

Clause Agreed to on division.

 


 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Withdrawn  197

 

Clause  69,  page  49,  line  31,  leave out from ‘Forces’ to ‘useful’ in line 32 and insert

 

‘with the intention that it is’.

 

Tom Brake

 

Mr David Heath

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  44

 

Clause  69,  page  49,  line  34,  at end insert ‘and

 

(c)    

intends that the information should be useful to a person committing or

 

preparing an act of terrorism.’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Not called  235

 

Clause  69,  page  49,  line  36,  after ‘prove’, insert ‘—

 

(a)    

’.


 
 

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Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Not called  236

 

Clause  69,  page  49,  line  36,  after ‘action’, insert—

 

‘(b)    

that at the time of the alleged offence he did not know and had no reason

 

to know that the information or the disclosure of such information was of

 

a kind that was likely to be helpful to a person committing or preparing

 

an act of terrorism;

 

(c)    

that at the time of the alleged offence he believed that disclosure of such

 

information was in the public interest.’.

 

Mr Tony McNulty

 

Agreed to  164

 

Clause  69,  page  50,  line  6,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

Schedule 8A to this Act contains supplementary provisions relating to the offence

 

under this section.’.

 

Mr Tony McNulty

 

Agreed to  165

 

Clause  69,  page  50,  line  12,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

After Schedule 8 to the Terrorism Act 2000 insert the Schedule set out in

 

Schedule (Offences relating to information about members of armed forces:

 

supplementary provisions) to this Act.’.

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Not called  198

 

Clause  69,  page  50,  line  12,  at end add—

 

‘(4)    

In section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000 (c.11) (collection of information) in

 

subsection (1) for “of a kind likely to be” substitute “with the intention that it is”’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 

Clauses 70 and 71 Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Crispin Blunt

 

Withdrawn  229

 

Clause  72,  page  52,  line  22,  leave out subsection (2).

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

Clause 73 Agreed to.

 



 
 

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Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Crispin Blunt

 

Not called  230

 

Clause  74,  page  53,  line  15,  leave out subsection (4).

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

Clauses 75 and 76 Agreed to.

 


 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Withdrawn  199

 

Clause  77,  page  55,  line  7,  after second ‘the’ insert ‘national security of the’.

 

Tom Brake

 

Mr David Heath

 

Withdrawn  45

 

Clause  77,  page  55,  line  17,  after ‘State’, insert ‘or a police authority’.

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Not called  200

 

Clause  77,  page  55,  line  17,  leave out ‘in or around’ and insert ‘within a one mile

 

radius of’.

 

Tom Brake

 

Mr David Heath

 

Not selected  46

 

Clause  77,  page  55,  line  18,  at end insert—

 

‘(3A)    

In this section “gas” means a hydrocarbon normally in a gaseous form and

 

intended for use as a fuel.’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Not called  201

 

Clause  78,  page  56,  line  2,  leave out ‘in or around’ and insert ‘within a one mile

 

radius of’.


 
 

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Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Tom Brake

 

Mr David Heath

 

Not selected  47

 

Clause  78,  page  56,  line  6,  at end insert—

 

‘(4A)    

In this section “gas” means a hydrocarbon normally in a gaseous form and

 

intended for use as a fuel.’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Withdrawn  202

 

Clause  79,  page  56,  line  19,  leave out ‘negative resolution procedure’ and insert

 

‘affirmative procedure’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Withdrawn  203

 

Clause  80,  page  56,  leave out lines 38 to 40.

 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Not called  204

 

Clause  80,  page  57,  line  1,  leave out paragraph (a).

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Withdrawn  205

 

Clause  81,  page  57,  line  22,  leave out ‘28 days’ and insert ‘6 months’.


 
 

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Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Patrick Mercer

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Adam Holloway

 

David T.C. Davies

 

Not called  206

 

Clause  81,  page  57,  line  26,  leave out subsection (3).

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

Clauses 82 to 89 Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Tony McNulty

 

Agreed to  77

 

Schedule  6,  page  82,  line  26,  at end insert—

 

‘Terrorism Act 2000 (c. 11)

In Schedule 8, in paragraph

 
  

29(4)(a) and (c), the words “after

 
  

consulting the Lord Chancellor”.’.

 
 

Mr Tony McNulty

 

Agreed to  78

 

Schedule  6,  page  83,  column 2, leave out lines 6 and 7 and insert—

  

‘Regulation 45E(3) and (4).

 
  

In Regulation 109—

 
  

(a)    

paragraph (1)(g) to (i);

 
  

(b)    

in paragraph (4)(a), the words preceding

 
  

paragraph (i);

 
  

(c)    

paragraph (4)(b) and the word “and”

 
  

immediately preceding it.

 
  

In Regulation 115(2), “45E(3),”.’.

 
 

Mr Tony McNulty

 

Agreed to  79

 

Schedule  6,  page  83,  column 2, leave out lines 10 and 11 and insert—

  

‘Regulation 45D(3) and (4).

 
  

In Regulation 108—

 
  

(a)    

paragraph (1)(g) to (i);

 
  

(b)    

in paragraph (4)(a), the words preceding

 
  

paragraph (i);

 
  

(c)    

paragraph (4)(b) and the word “and”

 
  

immediately preceding it.

 
  

In Regulation 115(2), “45D(3),”.’.

 
 

Tom Brake

 

Mr David Heath

 

Not moved  49

 

Schedule  6,  page  83,  column 2, leave out lines 26 to 35 and insert ‘the whole Act’.


 
 

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Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Schedule, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Tom Brake

 

Mr David Heath

 

Not called  20

 

Clause  90,  page  59,  line  33,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

The provisions of Part 2 (detention and questioning of terrorist suspects) come

 

into force—

 

(a)    

in England and Wales on the day after the revised codes of practice under

 

section 23(4) have effect, and

 

(b)    

in Northern Ireland on the day after the revised codes of practice under

 

section 25(3) have effect.’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Crispin Blunt

 

Not called  222

 

Clause  90,  page  59,  line  34,  leave out from ‘proceedings)’ until end of subsection

 

and insert ‘shall not come into effect until the rules of court have been approved by a

 

resolution of each House of Parliament as provided for in section 62(4).’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Crispin Blunt

 

Withdrawn  223

 

Clause  90,  page  60,  line  4,  at end insert ‘subject to subsections (7) and (8).’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Mr Crispin Blunt

 

Not called  224

 

Clause  90,  page  60,  line  7,  at end add—

 

‘(7)    

Section 22 (period of pre-charge detention) and Schedule 1 (amendments relating

 

to period of pre-charge detention), shall not come into effect until codes of

 

practice under section 66 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984

 

regulating such detention shall have been approved by a resolution of each House

 

of Parliament.

 

(8)    

Section 23 (period of post charge questioning) shall not come into effect until the

 

codes of practice under section 66 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984

 

and referred to in section 23(4) shall have been approved by a resolution of each

 

House of Parliament.’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

Clauses 91 and 92 Agreed to.

 



 
 

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Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

New Clauses

 

Pre-charge detention: minor amendments

 

Mr Tony McNulty

 

Agreed to  NC4

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

In paragraph 9 of Schedule 8 to the Terrorism Act 2000 (direction that detained

 

person may consult solicitor only within sight and hearing of qualified officer),

 

for sub-paragraph (3) (grounds on which direction may be given) substitute—

 

  “(3)  

A direction under this paragraph may be given only if the officer

 

giving it has reasonable grounds for believing—

 

(a)    

that, unless the direction is given, the exercise of the right by

 

the detained person will have any of the consequences

 

specified in paragraph 8(4), or

 

(b)    

that the detained person has benefited from his criminal

 

conduct and that, unless the direction is given, the exercise of

 

the right by the detained person will hinder the recovery of the

 

value of the property constituting the benefit.”.

 

(2)    

In paragraph 29(4) of that Schedule (meaning of “judicial authority”), in

 

paragraphs (a) and (c) omit “after consulting the Lord Chancellor”.’.

 


 

Certificate requiring inquest to be held without a jury: Northern Ireland

 

Mr Tony McNulty

 

Agreed to  NC6

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

In section 13(1) of the Coroners Act (Northern Ireland) 1959 (c. 15) (power of

 

coroner to hold inquest) after “sub-section (2)” insert “and section 18A”.

 

(2)    

In section 18 of that Act (requirement to summon jury in certain cases) after

 

subsection (4) insert—

 

“(5)    

This section is subject to section 18A (certificate requiring inquest to be

 

held without a jury).”.

 

(3)    

After that section insert—

 

“18A  

Certificate requiring inquest to be held without a jury

 

(1)    

The Secretary of State may certify in relation to an inquest that, in the

 

opinion of the Secretary of State, the inquest will involve the

 

consideration of material that should not be made public—

 

(a)    

in the interests of national security,

 

(b)    

in the interests of the relationship between the United Kingdom

 

and another country, or

 

(c)    

otherwise in the public interest.

 

(2)    

A certificate may be issued—

 

(a)    

in relation to an inquest that has not begun, or


 
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