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House of Commons

 
 

Tuesday 20th May 2008

 

Committee of the whole House

 

Proceedings

 

Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [Lords]


 

(Clauses 4, 11, 14 and 23, Schedule 2, and any new Clauses or new Schedules relating to the


 

termination of pregnancy by registered medical practitioners)


 

[Second DAY]


 

Mr Iain Duncan Smith

 

David Taylor

 

Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas

 

Mr John Gummer

 

Mr Michael Ancram

 

Geraldine Smith

 

Mr Gerald Howarth

 

Mr David Burrowes

 

Mr Colin Breed

 

Mr Frank Field

 

Mr Graham Brady

 

Mr Ronnie Campbell

 

Mr John Horam

 

Mr Stewart Jackson

 

Mr Peter Kilfoyle

 

Dr Ashok Kumar

 

Mr Alan Meale

 

Mr Tom Clarke

 

Mr Joe Benton

 

Mr David Crausby

 

Andrew Mackinlay

 

Andrew Selous

 

Mr William Cash

 

Mr David Wilshire

 

Sir Nicholas Winterton

 

Ann Winterton

 

Mr David Amess

 

Negatived on division  21

 

Clause  14,  page  9,  line  10,  leave out paragraph (b) and insert—

 

‘(b)    

after “father” insert “and a mother”.’.

 

Mark Simmonds

 

Mr Andrew Lansley

 

Negatived on division  12

 

Clause  14,  page  9,  line  10,  after ‘parenting’, insert ‘and a father or male role

 

model’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 



 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 20th May 2008      

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Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [Lords], continued

 
 

Mr Iain Duncan Smith

 

David Taylor

 

Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas

 

Mr John Gummer

 

Mr Michael Ancram

 

Geraldine Smith

 

Mr Gerald Howarth

 

Mr David Burrowes

 

Mr Colin Breed

 

Mr Graham Brady

 

Mr Ronnie Campbell

 

Mr John Horam

 

Mr Stewart Jackson

 

Mr Frank Field

 

Mr Peter Kilfoyle

 

Dr Ashok Kumar

 

Mr Alan Meale

 

Mr Tom Clarke

 

Mr Joe Benton

 

Mr David Crausby

 

Andrew Mackinlay

 

Andrew Selous

 

Mr William Cash

 

Mr David Wilshire

 

Sir Nicholas Winterton

 

Ann Winterton

 

Mr David Amess

 

Not called  22

 

Clause  23,  page  19,  line  6,  leave out from ‘(2)’ to end of line and insert—

 

‘after ‘father’, insert ‘and a mother.’.’.

 

Mark Simmonds

 

Mr Andrew Lansley

 

Not called  13

 

Clause  23,  page  19,  line  6,  after ‘parenting’, insert ‘and a father or male role

 

model’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

New Clauses Relating to the Termination of Pregnancy by Registered

 

Medical Practitioners

 

Amendment of the law relating to abortion

 

Mr Edward Leigh

 

Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas

 

Miss Ann Widdecombe

 

Andrew Selous

 

Mr William Cash

 

Mr David Amess

 

Mr Peter Bone

 

Negatived on division  NC1

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘In section 1(1)(a) of the Abortion Act 1967 (c. 87) (medical termination of

 

pregnancy), for “twenty-fourth week” substitute “twelfth week”.’.

 



 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 20th May 2008      

503

 

Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [Lords], continued

 
 

Amendment of the law relating to abortion (No. 2)

 

Mr Laurence Robertson

 

Mr Edward Leigh

 

Andrew Selous

 

Mr David Amess

 

Mr Peter Bone

 

Not called  NC2

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘In section 1(1)(a) of the Abortion Act 1967 (c. 87) (medical termination of

 

pregnancy), for “twenty-fourth week” substitute “fourteenth week”.’.

 


 

Amendment of the law relating to abortion (No. 3)

 

Mark Pritchard

 

Sir Nicholas Winterton

 

Mr David Drew

 

Mr Desmond Swayne

 

Keith Vaz

 

David Taylor

 

Mrs Nadine Dorries

 

Mr Julian Brazier

 

Ann Winterton

 

Tim Farron

 

Mr Edward Leigh

 

Damian Green

 

Jim Dobbin

 

Geraldine Smith

 

Miss Ann Widdecombe

 

Angela Watkinson

 

Andrew Selous

 

Mr David Amess

 

Mr Peter Bone

 

Negatived on division  NC3

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘In section 1(1)(a) of the Abortion Act 1967 (c. 87) (medical termination of

 

pregnancy), for “twenty-fourth week” substitute “sixteenth week”.’.

 


 

Amendment of the law relating to abortion (No.4)

 

Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas

 

Andrew Selous

 

Mr David Amess

 

Mr Peter Bone

 

Not called  NC4

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘In section 1(1)(a) of the Abortion Act 1967 (c. 87) (medical termination of

 

pregnancy), for “twenty-fourth week” substitute “eighteenth week”.’.

 



 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 20th May 2008      

504

 

Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [Lords], continued

 
 

Amendment of the law relating to abortion (No.5)

 

Mrs Nadine Dorries

 

Mr Stewart Jackson

 

Andrew Selous

 

Mr David Amess

 

Mr Peter Bone

 

Negatived on division  NC5

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘In section 1(1)(a) of the Abortion Act 1967 (c. 87) (medical termination of

 

pregnancy), for “twenty-fourth week” substitute “twentieth week”.’.

 


 

Medical termination of pregnancy: Amendment of the Abortion Act 1967

 

Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas

 

Daniel Kawczynski

 

Mr David Burrowes

 

Mr David Amess

 

Mr Peter Bone

 

Not called  NC6

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

Section 1 of the Abortion Act 1967 (c.87) (medical termination of pregnancy) is

 

amended as follows—

 

(a)    

in subsection (1), omit paragraph (d),

 

(b)    

after subsection (2), insert—

 

“(2A)    

No treatment for the termination of pregnancy shall be carried out under

 

subsection (1) of this section on the grounds of the disability, gender, race

 

or (should it become identifiable before birth) sexual orientation of the

 

child.”.

 

(2)    

In section 5 of that Act (supplementary provisions) omit subsection (2)(a).’.

 


 

Amendment of the law relating to abortion: (No. 6)

 

Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas

 

Daniel Kawczynski

 

Mr Stewart Jackson

 

Mr David Amess

 

Not called  NC7

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘After section 2 of the Abortion Act 1967 (c.87) insert—


 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 20th May 2008      

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Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [Lords], continued

 
 

“2A    

Informed Consent

 

(1)    

Subsections (2), (3) and (4) of this section shall not apply in the case of a

 

medical emergency under section 1(4) of this Act.

 

(2)    

At an appointment with a registered medical practitioner, on receipt of an

 

initial request for a termination of pregnancy from a pregnant woman, or

 

for initial advice regarding the potential termination of a pregnancy, a

 

registered medical practitioner shall, as soon as reasonably practical, and

 

in any event at least five calendar days prior to a termination of

 

pregnancy taking place (where such a terminatation of pregnancy is

 

applicable), fulfil the following informed consent requirements—

 

(a)    

offer the pregnant woman counselling from a suitably qualified

 

health professional; and

 

(b)    

provide the pregnant woman with the following information:—

 

(i)    

the embryonic and foetal development at two weekly

 

intervals;

 

(ii)    

the physical, psychological and psychiatric risks

 

associated with the termination of pregnancy, including

 

a description of the methods of termination at different

 

stages of pregnancy and any risks associated with such

 

methods; and

 

(iii)    

the contact details of adoption services and other sources

 

of help and advice, (including information on any

 

disability or abnormality that the pregnant woman’s

 

embryo or foetus is at risk of suffering from if born).

 

(3)    

A registered medical practitioner must provide the pregnant woman with

 

a written form, of which he must retain a copy, as soon as is reasonably

 

practicable, certifying the date upon which paragraphs (2)(a) and (2)(b)

 

of this section were complied with, and in the case of a termination of the

 

pregnancy, the form must be completed prior to any such termination.

 

(4)    

Any persons who wilfully contravenes or fails to comply with the

 

requirements of informed consent under subsections (2) or (3) of this

 

section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding

 

level 5 on the standard scale.

 

(5)    

The Secretary of State shall by statutory instrument make regulations to

 

provide for informed consent as specified in subsections (1) to (4) of this

 

section and shall make provisions concerning the procedure, the

 

requirement for date certification by a practitioner or practitioners, the

 

information requirements and any other ancillary matters as are

 

necessary to ensure the fulfilment of the informed consent requirements.

 

(6)    

Any statutory instrument made by virtue of this seciton shall be subject

 

to annulment in pursuance of a resolution by either House of

 

Parliament.”’.

 



 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 20th May 2008      

506

 

Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [Lords], continued

 
 

Foetal physical or mental abnormalities: Information and counselling

 

Dr Nick Palmer

 

Mr Tom Clarke

 

Mr Richard Benyon

 

Miss Ann Widdecombe

 

Mr David Amess

 

Mr David Drew

 

Negatived on division  NC8

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘After section 1 of the Abortion Act 1967 (c. 87) (Medical termination of

 

pregnancy) insert—

 

“1A(1)  

If tests of a foetus reveal that there is a substantial risk that if the child

 

were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities

 

as to be seriously handicapped, a registered medical practitioner or a

 

suitably qualified health professional expeditiously shall provide the

 

pregnant woman with—

 

(a)    

current, scientific information in a written form concerning:

 

(i)    

the life expectancy of;

 

(ii)    

the expected intellectual and functional development

 

of; and

 

(iii)    

the treatment options for;

 

    

a foetus diagnosed with, or a child born with, the physical or

 

mental abnormalities identified as a risk by those tests,

 

(b)    

contact details for, where available, supportive service

 

providers, including telephone help lines specific to the

 

physical or mental abnormalities identified as a risk by those

 

tests, and

 

(c)    

the offer of a suitable opportunity to receive relevant

 

counselling and such other information as they deem proper.

 

      (2)  

If, subsequent to the receipt of test results referred to under subsection

 

(1), the pregnant woman notifies a registered medical practitioner that

 

she is considering teminating the pregnancy, either wholly or partly as

 

a result of those test results, then the termination must not take place

 

until the information and offer set out in subsections (1)(a) to (c) have

 

been provided.’.

 


 

Amendment of the law relating to abortion (No. 7)

 

Richard Ottaway

 

Negatived on division  NC9

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘In section 1(1)(a) of the Abortion Act 1967 (c. 87) (medical termination of

 

pregnancy), for “twenty-fourth week” substitute “twenty-second week”.’.

 



 
 

Committee of the whole House Proceedings: 20th May 2008      

507

 

Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [Lords], continued

 
 

Amendment of the law relating to abortion (No. 9)

 

Chris McCafferty

 

John Bercow

 

Dr Evan Harris

 

Not called  NC11

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘In section 1(1)(a) of the Abortion Act 1967 Abortion Act for “its twenty-fourth”

 

week”, substitute “23 weeks and 6 days”.’.

 

Bill (Clauses 4, 11, 14 and 23, and Schedule 2) to be reported, with Amendments.

 


 
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