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Consideration of Bill: 10th June 2008                  

2594

 

Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Davis

 

Mr Crispin Blunt

 

12

 

Page  54,  line  40  [Clause  76],  leave out subsection (4).

 


 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

44

 

Page  61,  line  11  [Clause  92],  leave out from ‘proceedings)’ to end of line 12 and

 

insert ‘shall not come into effect until the rules of court shall have been approved by a

 

resolution of each House of Parliament as provided for in section 63(4).’.

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Davis

 

Mr Crispin Blunt

 

14

 

Page  61,  line  18  [Clause  92],  at end insert ‘, subject to subsection (7).’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

45

 

Page  61,  line  18  [Clause  92],  at end insert ‘subject to subsections (7) and (8)’.

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Davis

 

Mr Crispin Blunt

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

13

 

Page  61,  line  21  [Clause  92],  at end add—

 

‘(7)    

Section 24 (post-charge questioning: England and Wales) shall not come into

 

effect until the codes of practice under section 66 of the Police and Criminal

 

Evidence Act 1984 (c. 60) and referred to in section 24(4) shall have been agreed

 

by a resolution of each House of Parliament.’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

46

 

Page  61,  line  21  [Clause  92],  at end add—

 

‘(7)    

Section 22 (period of pre-charge detention) and Schedule 2(amendments relating

 

to a period of pre-charge detention) shall not come into effect until the codes of

 

practice under section 66 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984

 

regulating such detention shall have been approved by a resolution of each House

 

of Parliament.

 

(8)    

Section 24 (period of post-charge questioning) shall not come into effect until the

 

codes of practice under section 66 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984

 

and referred to in section 24(4) shall be approved by a resolution of each House

 

of Parliament.’.

 


 

New Clauses, Amendments to clauses, new Schedules and Amendments to


 
 

Consideration of Bill: 10th June 2008                  

2595

 

Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Schedules relating to part 3

 

Secretary Jacqui Smith

 

60

 

Page  20,  line  39  [Clause  28],  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

In section 1 of the Justice and Security (Northern Ireland) Act 2007 (c. 6) (issue

 

of certificate for trial without a jury), after subsection (6) insert—

 

“(6A)    

The Director of Public Prosecutions for Northern Ireland may not issue a

 

certificate under subsection (2) if—

 

(a)    

the proceedings are taken in Northern Ireland only by virtue of

 

section 28 of the Counter-Terrorism Act 2008, and

 

(b)    

it appears to the Director that the only condition that is met is

 

condition 4.”.’.

 

Mr Nick Clegg

 

Dr Vincent Cable

 

Chris Huhne

 

Tom Brake

 

David Howarth

 

Mr Paul Burstow

 

Total signatories: 7

 

111

 

Page  20,  line  39  [Clause  28],  at end insert—

 

“(6A)    

Where this section applies to an offence committed in Scotland, proceedings may

 

only be taken in another part of the United Kingdom following consultation with,

 

and with the consent of, the Lord Advocate.”.

 

Secretary Jacqui Smith

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

David Davis

 

Mr Crispin Blunt

 

9

 

Page  20,  line  40  [Clause  28],  leave out subsection (7).

 


 

Mr Nick Clegg

 

Dr Vincent Cable

 

Chris Huhne

 

Tom Brake

 

David Howarth

 

Mr Paul Burstow

 

Total signatories: 7

 

112

 

Page  21,  line  14  [Clause  30],  leave out first ‘court’ and insert ‘jury’.


 
 

Consideration of Bill: 10th June 2008                  

2596

 

Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

19

 

Page  21,  line  14  [Clause  30],  after ‘determines’, insert ‘beyond reasonable doubt’.

 


 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

79

 

Page  22,  line  13  [Clause  33],  after ‘property’, insert ‘in respect of’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

80

 

Page  22,  line  14  [Clause  33],  after ‘which’, insert ‘the court is sure that’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

81

 

Page  22,  line  17  [Clause  33],  leave out ‘had reasonable cause to suspect’ and insert

 

‘suspected’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

82

 

Page  22,  line  22  [Clause  33],  after ‘which’, insert ‘the court is sure’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

83

 

Page  22,  line  24  [Clause  33],  leave out ‘had reasonable cause to suspect’ and insert

 

‘suspected’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

84

 

Page  22,  line  29  [Clause  33],  after ‘which’, insert ‘the court is sure’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

85

 

Page  22,  line  35  [Clause  33],  after ‘which’, insert ‘the court is sure’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

86

 

Page  22,  line  40  [Clause  33],  after ‘which’, insert ‘the court is sure’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

87

 

Page  22,  line  43  [Clause  33],  after ‘property’, insert ‘in respect of’.

 


 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

88

 

Page  23,  line  1  [Clause  33],  after ‘which’, insert ‘the court was sure was’.


 
 

Consideration of Bill: 10th June 2008                  

2597

 

Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

89

 

Page  23,  line  1  [Clause  33],  leave out ‘is’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

90

 

Page  23,  line  11  [Clause  34],  after ‘which’, insert ‘the court is sure that’.

 


 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

20

 

Page  24,  line  19  [Clause  35],  after ‘section’, insert ‘and where the court is satisfied

 

on the balance of probabilities that the person is the owner or otherwise has an interest in

 

anything which otherwise might be subject to forfeiture under that section and considers

 

that it would be unjust to that person to make an order of forfeiture the court shall not

 

make such an order but shall make such other order as seems to the court to be just.’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

91

 

Page  24,  line  23  [Clause  35],  after ‘person’, insert ‘or on any person dependent

 

upon the convicted person’.

 


 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

92

 

Page  27,  line  16  [Clause  37],  at end insert ‘and where the court is satisfied on the

 

balance of probabilities that the person making the claim is the owner of or otherwise has

 

an interest in anything which otherwise might be subject to forfeiture under this section

 

and considers that it would be unjust to that person to make an order of forfeiture, the court

 

shall not make such an order but shall make such other order as seems to the court to be

 

just.’.

 


 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

93

 

Page  28,  line  2  [Clause  37],  at end insert ‘and where the court is satisfied on the

 

balance of probabilities that the person making the claim is the owner of or otherwise has

 

an interest in anything which might otherwise be subject to forfeiture under this section

 

and it considers that it would be unjust to that person to make an order of forfeiture the

 

court shall not make such an order but shall make such other order as seems to the court

 

to be just.’.

 


 

New clauses, Amendments to Clauses, New Schedules and Amendments to


 
 

Consideration of Bill: 10th June 2008                  

2598

 

Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Schedules Relating to Part 6

 

Mr Andrew Dismore

 

Dr Evan Harris

 

John Austin

 

Mr Virendra Sharma

 

John McDonnell

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Total signatories: 15

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

1

 

Page  45,  line  12,  leave out Clause 65.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Mr Nick Clegg

 

Dr Vincent Cable

 

Chris Huhne

 

Tom Brake

 

David Howarth

 

Total signatories: 9

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

33

 

Page  45,  line  23  [Clause  65],  leave out subsections (b) and (c).

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

34

 

Page  45,  line  29  [Clause  65],  at end insert—

 

‘(2A)    

A certificate may not be issued unless the Secretary of State has obtained prior

 

written approval from the Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales certifying that

 

in his opinion the issue of the certificate would satisfy the requirements of section

 

1 (appointment of coroners).’.

 


 

Mr Andrew Dismore

 

Dr Evan Harris

 

John Austin

 

Mr Virendra Sharma

 

John McDonnell

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Total signatories: 14

 

2

 

Page  46,  line  21,  leave out Clause 66.


 
 

Consideration of Bill: 10th June 2008                  

2599

 

Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

Mr Nick Clegg

 

Dr Vincent Cable

 

Chris Huhne

 

Tom Brake

 

David Howarth

 

Total signatories: 8

 

35

 

Page  46,  line  34  [Clause  66],  leave out subsections (b) and (c).

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

36

 

Page  46,  line  40  [Clause  66],  at end insert—

 

‘(2A)    

A certificate may not be issued unless the Secretary of State has obtained prior

 

written approval from the Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland certifying that

 

in his opinion the issue of the certificate would satisfy the requirements of

 

subsection (1).’.

 


 

Mr Andrew Dismore

 

Dr Evan Harris

 

John Austin

 

Mr Virendra Sharma

 

John McDonnell

 

Mr Dominic Grieve

 

Total signatories: 15

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

3

 

Page  47,  line  30,  leave out Clause 67.

 

Mr Nick Clegg

 

Dr Vincent Cable

 

Chris Huhne

 

Tom Brake

 

David Howarth

 

Mr Paul Burstow

 

Total signatories: 8

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

119

 

Page  47,  line  35  [Clause  67],  leave out ‘Secretary of State’ and insert ‘Lord Chief

 

Justice of England and Wales or the nominated senior judge’.

 

Mr Douglas Hogg

 

37

 

Page  47,  line  36  [Clause  67],  at end insert ‘provided that such a person has been

 

specifically approved for the purpose by the Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales.’.


 
 

Consideration of Bill: 10th June 2008                  

2600

 

Counter-Terrorism Bill, continued

 
 

Secretary Jacqui Smith

 

70

 

Page  47  [Clause  67],  leave out lines 37 to 40 and insert—

 

‘( )    

The Secretary of State must establish and maintain a list of coroners eligible to be

 

appointed under this section (“the approved list”).

 

( )    

A coroner may be included on the approved list only with the agreement of the

 

Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales or the nominated senior judge.

5

(1)    

A person may be appointed under this section only if—

 

(a)    

the person is—

 

(i)    

a coroner on the approved list,

 

(ii)    

a puisne judge of the High Court in England and Wales, or

10

(iii)    

a circuit judge, and

 

(b)    

the Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales or the nominated senior

 

judge agrees to the person’s appointment.’.

 

As Amendments to Secretary Jacqui Smith’s proposed Amendment (No. 70):—

 

Mr Nick Clegg

 

Mr Vincent Cable

 

Mr Chris Huhne

 

Mr Tom Brake

 

Mr David Howarth

 

Mr Paul Burstow

 

Total signatories: 8

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

(a)

 

Line  1,  leave out ‘Secretary of State’ and insert ‘Lord Chief Justice of England

 

and Wales or the nominated senior judge’.

 

Mr Nick Clegg

 

Dr Vincent Cable

 

Chris Huhne

 

Tom Brake

 

David Howarth

 

Mr Paul Burstow

 

Total signatories: 6

 

(b)

 

Leave out lines 3 and 4.

 

Mr Nick Clegg

 

Dr Vincent Cable

 

Chris Huhne

 

Tom Brake

 

David Howarth

 

Mr Paul Burstow

 

Total signatories: 7

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

(c)

 

Line  10,  leave out ‘Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales or the nominated


 
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