The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Atkinson,
Mr. Peter
(Hexham)
(Con)
Bailey,
Mr. Adrian
(West Bromwich, West)
(Lab/Co-op)
Brazier,
Mr. Julian
(Canterbury)
(Con)
Cash,
Mr. William
(Stone)
(Con)
Harris,
Mr. Tom
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for
Transport)
Hunter,
Mark
(Cheadle) (LD)
Kidney,
Mr. David
(Stafford)
(Lab)
Leech,
Mr. John
(Manchester, Withington)
(LD)
Lucas,
Ian
(Wrexham) (Lab)
McCartney,
Mr. Ian
(Makerfield)
(Lab)
Purchase,
Mr. Ken
(Wolverhampton, North-East)
(Lab/Co-op)
Simon,
Mr. Siôn
(Birmingham, Erdington)
(Lab)
Tami,
Mark
(Alyn and Deeside)
(Lab)
Taylor,
Ms Dari
(Stockton, South)
(Lab)
Timpson,
Mr. Edward
(Crewe and Nantwich)
(Con)
Wright,
Jeremy
(Rugby and Kenilworth)
(Con)
Sarah Hartwell-Naguib,
Committee Clerk
attended
the Committee
First
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 30
June
2008
[Robert
Key in the
Chair]
Draft Rail Vehicle Accessibility (Interoperable Rail System) Regulations 2008
4.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Transport (Mr.
Tom Harris): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Rail Vehicle Accessibility
(Interoperable Rail System) Regulations
2008.
It
is a great privilege to serve under your chairmanship, Mr.
Key. This is the first time that I have been in Committee with you
since those happy, carefree days on the Science and Technology
Committee.
The
provision of an accessible public transport system on which people with
reduced mobility can have the same opportunities to travel as other
members of society is a key driver in improving their life chances and
promoting social inclusion. Without accessible transport, people with
reduced mobility are limited in their ability to access work, visit
friends and family, participate in leisure activities or access health
care and educational facilities. That is why we have taken strong
action to ensure that public transport services are more accessible to
the growing number of people who have previously faced difficulties
when trying to use
them.
Our
record in such matters speaks for itself. We have introduced
regulations requiring all new rail vehicles, buses and coaches to be
accessible. About 4,700 accessible rail vehicles in service are already
covered by the Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations 1998, widely
referred to as RVAR. We should also remember that many thousands of
older rail vehicles have been made more accessible through the process
of refurbishment, including some projects in which almost complete
compliance has been achieved, such as the Mallard InterCity trains on
the east coast main line and Sheffields trams.
The United
Kingdoms leadership in the area has now been recognised at a
European level, and the Commission has come forward with new standards
for the accessibility of trains. They are based mainly on RVAR and
demonstrate how far in advance of mainland Europe we are in such
matters. The new standards will apply to trains operated for passenger
services on the UK mainline railway system. RVAR will remain as the
accessibility standard for light rail, tram, metro and underground
systems. Analysis of the new European standards shows that the majority
of their technical requirements are equivalent or superior to RVAR.
Indeed, much that was previously considered only as best practice under
RVAR is now mandated under the new
standards.
However,
the new standards are less onerous in a small number of areas. For
example, the maximum permitted floor gradients, maximum clearway and
door widths and minimum duration and tone of door warnings might not be
ideal. Those provisions have been included
mainly to standardise with components already in use on mainland Europe
and are not considered to reduce accessibility significantly, given the
UKs unique network requirements. Although it would be unlawful
for the UK to set more onerous standards under legislation, it is
possible for those procuring new trains to set more demanding
provisions during procurement. Indeed, we have done so recently in the
InterCity express programme tender for trains to replace our high-speed
train
fleet.
It
must also be remembered that the new standards represent a step change
in the accessibility of trains on mainland Europe. We intend to work
with the European Union to raise standards over time. The need to
integrate the new European standards within our existing domestic
regime is the reason that we are in Committee today.
The
regulations are required to prevent the application of dual regulatory
regimesEuropean and domesticas the new standards will
come into force automatically tomorrow, through the Railways
(Interoperability) Regulations 2006, while the domestic standards have
been in place via RVAR for almost 10 years. The rail industry has been
clear that it wishes to avoid that possibility when the new standards
come into force. It would be extremely confusing to subject operators
to two accessibility regimesdomestic and Europeanwith
slightly different requirements, differing enforcement regimes and so
on. That would be a true case of poor regulation.
Since, on
introduction tomorrow, the new European standards will take precedence,
the draft regulations will remove those trains that will be subject to
them from the scope of RVAR. That will clarify the standard to which
trains should be built or refurbished in future. The measure was
recognised as sensible, and was supported by all stakeholders during
recent consultation.
However,
simply disapplying RVAR would leave those 4,700 trains that were
previously subject to it completely unregulateduntil they
triggered the new European standards by being refurbished. During that
period, which could be several years, it would not be possible to
enforce accessibility requirements. That is unacceptable, so the draft
regulations ensure that there is an obligation on the train operating
companies to continue to operate the trains in an accessible manner,
until they trigger the new standards. In drafting the new provisions,
we have been careful to ensure that other aspects of the
interoperability regime, such as the requirement to produce a technical
file for each vehicle, will not be applied prematurely.
Despite the
Governments introduction of RVAR almost a decade ago, we know
that people with reduced mobility, and disabled people in particular,
are still being denied the same opportunities to travel that other
members of society take for granted. A major reason for that is the
availability of accessible public transport vehicles. Given that rail
vehicles have life spans of between 30 and 35 years, without
intervention it could take until at least 2033 before all older trains
are replaced by accessible models.
In the 21st
century, it is appropriate to push ahead, in partnership with the rail
industry and those who have difficulty using train services, in an
ambitious bid to make the national rail fleet accessible well ahead of
2033. That is why we have also taken the opportunity, through the
regulations, to deliver our commitment to legislate to ensure that all
passenger trains on the mainline
rail network are accessible by 1 January 2020. I am sure that hon.
Members will recall that that commitment received wide cross-party
support during the passage of the Disability Discrimination Act
2005.
We intend to
deliver the end date through careful targeting of rectification work,
particularly through future franchise specifications aimed at those
parts of older trains that represent the biggest barriers to travel for
disabled people and others. That pragmatic approach has been widely
supported as striking the right balance between the legitimate
frustration of people with reduced mobility and the operating realities
of the railway
industry.
At
the time of the 2005 Act, we estimated that the cost of a 2020 end date
would be approximately £170 million, expressed as
increased leasing charges for the remaining life of the trains in
question and reflected in turn by the subsidy required from, or premium
paid to, the Government by franchised train operators. Much of the work
envisaged then has already taken place as owners have upgraded their
trains to meet the expectations of all passengers. Alongside our policy
of targeted compliance, we believe that, overall, the remaining costs
of 2020 will be less than estimated previously, despite a recognised
rise in engineering costs since then.
We know that
parts of the rail industry have concerns regarding the legality of
setting an end date. However, we are satisfied that it is permissible
and that it will not disadvantage UK operators. In reality,
constructive working relationships are already delivering significant
access improvements. I call on the whole of the rail industry to join
Parliament in embracing the benefits that the end date will
bringboth to society and train operators, as accessible
vehicles will help to deliver further increases in
patronage.
In
due course, we intend to propose similar provisions that set an end
date for other rail vehicles that will remain subject to
RVARthose used on light rail, tram, metro and underground
systems. All those measures will ensure that the UK remains a world
leader when it comes to rail vehicle accessibility and will complement
the £370 million that we have ring-fenced via the access for all
programme for improved access at stations, with more than 700 sites
already selected for
work.
Hon.
Members will wish to note that, while not a matter addressed by these
regulations alone, enforcement of the new European standards will be
the responsibility of the Office of Rail Regulation. Inspectors have at
their disposal the various enforcement powers under the Health and
Safety at Work, etc. Act 1974. The regime enables improvement notices
to be issued, identifying breaches and providing time limits for
compliance, with a right of appeal but with the availability of
criminal proceedings in case of persistent and wilful breaches. The ORR
already enforces safety issues across the rail network and its
involvement has been welcomed by all stakeholders as a move towards
greater consistency of enforcement across the industry.
The
regulations have already undergone scrutiny and been agreed in the
other place. Concerns were expressed during those discussions that
exemptions under the new European regimes will be dealt with
administratively rather than by statutory instrument. However, it was
explained at the time that that is to ensure consistency with the way
that exemptions are dealt with in relation to other European standards
that apply to mainline rail. There are no grounds to allow new trains
to be
introduced into service without being fully compliant, in contrast to
RVAR. The powers are limited and will only be used to provide
exemptions for the oldest vehicles that were built before access
standards were in place.
The
involvement of the Disabled Persons Transport Advisory Committee, and
others, in this process will ensure that the needs of people with
reduced mobility are not taken lightly. In addition, we have given a
commitment to provide details about the Secretary of States use
of the powers in an annual report to Parliament. I pay tribute to all
Members of this House and the other place who have consistently
demonstrated a strong interest in, and support for, measures that
improve the accessibility of our
railways.
Mr.
Siôn Simon (Birmingham, Erdington) (Lab): I have
tried not to intervene on the Minister, but in the end my feelings got
the better of me. I suggest that deliver the end date
is an infelicitous phrase. I hope that he will consult with his
officials and if he can, avoid using it in future. It has been ringing
in my ears in an unhappy way.
Mr.
Harris: As my hon. Friend knows, I am the last person to
make anyone unhappy and I apologise if he has experienced some ringing
in his ears. If he wants to suggest an alternative phrase to me, I
shall of course pass that on to my officials.
The main
reason for the regulations is that they will help secure significant
improvements for all passengers, not just people with reduced mobility,
and the rail industry has already been working to similar standards for
a decade. The facts are that the UK is required to comply with the new
European standards; removing trains that will be subject to them from
domestic requirements is supported by all stakeholders; there will be
no reduction in current levels of accessibility; and a long-standing
commitment to set an end date will be delivered. I commend the
regulations to the Committee.
4.42
pm
Mr.
Julian Brazier (Canterbury) (Con): May I join the Minister
in saying what a pleasure it is to serve under your chairmanship for
the first time, Mr. Key? When we headed across from our
shared office a minute or two apart, I did not realise that we were
coming to the same Committee. I shall have to be rather careful with my
speech as we have on the Committee an ex-columnist for
The
Daily Telegraph checking the appropriateness of our use of
English.
The
Conservative party has long recognised that the ability to travel on
public transport is particularly important for disabled people. A
number of disabled people are totally reliant on public
transportprobably a higher proportion than among able-bodied
peopleto get from their homes to their place of work, the
shops, places of leisure, family, friends, health care, schooling and
so on. Having public transport that is fully accessible and safe for
those with disabilities must be an essential part of transport policy,
whether national, regional or local. All members of the Committee agree
on that.
The power to
set minimum accessibility standards for rail vehicles, buses and
coaches was granted to the Secretary of State for Transport as part of
the Disability Discrimination Act 1995. The specific directives for
rail
vehicles were introduced in 1998 and became
applicable to all vehicles first brought into use after 31 December
that year. Additional provisions were made in the Disability
Discrimination Act 2005 to ensure that the entire national fleet of
buses would meet accessibility standards by 2017, and, as the Minister
said, trains by 2020. Some good progress has been made on that front.
In a written parliamentary answer in February, the Minister of State,
Department for Transport, reported that 58 per cent. of buses and more
than 40 per cent. of trains already meet the accessibility standards.
That is most welcome, but a lot of work needs to be done, as the
Minister hinted, to get those figures up to 100 per cent.
The Minister
has already confirmed the end date, if I may use that phrase, but it
would be nice to know what path he anticipates to that date and whether
there are any interim plans. There are particular circumstances in
which rail vehicles can be granted an exemption from meeting the
minimum accessibility standards. Earlier this year, such an exemption
was given to the docklands light railway because despite being one of
the most accessible transport networks in the world, the DLR opened
before rail accessibility legislation was introduced, so its new trains
cannot meet some aspects of the regulations.
In addition
to the provisions of the Disability and Discrimination Acts of 1995 and
2005, new European regulations deal with accessibility standards for
public transport, as the Minister told us. The draft regulations will
apply European regulations on certain rail lines within the UK in place
of the Disability Discrimination Act 2005. I was glad to hear the
Minister confirm that the old deadline of 1 January 2020 will still
apply. That is important. Without that provision, the removal of the
old disability preventions would have withdrawn that deadline, and
keeping it is a good thing. It not only gives the industry some
certainty, but the deadline chosen by the Government is the same as the
previous one, thus minimising disruption. The rail industry was already
aware of the need to work towards the implementation of RVAR, and an
earlier date, however desirable, would have been unwise.
The
Opposition support the premise behind the draft regulations. They will
prevent the heavy rail industry from having to live with co-existent
regulatory regimes, enable the industry to be clear about which
technical standards are applicable in which circumstances, and will
give a defined time scale for implementationthe same as the
present one.
I would like
to explore one or two issues further. In essence, rail vehicle
manufacturers and operators are being told that although their vehicles
must still be fully accessible for the disabled by 2020, the goalposts
have shifted slightly because the regulations with which they must
comply are European regulations, not those under the DDA. The questions
will be about what differences there are between the two sets of
measures and what extra features carriages must include to be compliant
with the new regulations. Another relevant question is whether any
elements that were required under the DDA regime will no longer be
required under European regulations.
Paragraph 3.8
of the explanatory memorandum contains a slightly odd passage telling
us that the European regulations are wider than those of the DDA
because
they refer to persons with reduced mobility as opposed
to just disabled persons. That rather enigmatic
sentence is not explained further. Presumably, not only those with
disabilitiesas normally understoodbut mothers with
young children, for example, people carrying heavy luggage, the
elderly, pregnant women, and even visitors who cannot speak English,
will be included. In principle, all of those could, for one reason or
another, be persons with reduced mobility. It therefore
seems that manufacturers could be required to do considerably more work
to rail carriages under European rules than they would have to under
the DDA. I do not raise that point facetiously; I raise it because it
is an odd sentence to find in an explanatory memorandum without any
further explanation at all. [
Interruption.] Does the hon. Member
for Birmingham, Erdington wish to
intervene?