The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Sir
John Butterfill
Austin,
John
(Erith and Thamesmead)
(Lab)
Benyon,
Mr. Richard
(Newbury)
(Con)
Cohen,
Harry
(Leyton and Wanstead)
(Lab)
Dorrell,
Mr. Stephen
(Charnwood)
(Con)
Horwood,
Martin
(Cheltenham)
(LD)
Jackson,
Glenda
(Hampstead and Highgate)
(Lab)
Jenkins,
Mr. Brian
(Tamworth)
(Lab)
Kawczynski,
Daniel
(Shrewsbury and Atcham)
(Con)
Kumar,
Dr. Ashok
(Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland)
(Lab)
Linton,
Martin
(Battersea)
(Lab)
McDonagh,
Siobhain
(Mitcham and Morden)
(Lab)
Main,
Anne
(St. Albans)
(Con)
Ruddock,
Joan
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food
and Rural
Affairs)Taylor,
Ms Dari
(Stockton, South)
(Lab)
Wiggin,
Bill
(Leominster)
(Con)
Williams,
Mr. Roger
(Brecon and Radnorshire)
(LD)
Hannah Weston, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Twelfth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Wednesday 9
July
2008
[Sir
John Butterfill in the
Chair]
Draft Producer Responsibility Obligations (Packaging Waste) (Amendment No. 2) Regulations 2008
2.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural
Affairs (Joan Ruddock): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Producer Responsibility
Obligations (Packaging Waste) (Amendment No. 2) Regulations
2008.
It
is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir John.
The regulations will make a technical change to the UKs
packaging regulations, and remove an administrative burden from
exporters of metal packaging waste intended for recycling overseas.
With the Committees indulgence, I shall try to explain exactly
what that means. It may take a little while, but it may be
helpful.
The
change is necessary to ensure that the United Kingdom can show that it
meets EU targets for the recovery and recycling of metal packaging
waste. I first want to allay any concerns that the amendment will
reduce the environmental protection contained in the Transfrontier
Shipment of Waste Regulations 2007. All waste that is exported will be
subject to the requirements of those regulations, which are not
affected by the amendment and will continue to apply to all exports of
waste. Scrap metals have high intrinsic value, so there is little or no
risk that shipments will be dumped. Metal smelting is a relatively
clean process, and market intelligence suggests that most UK metal
exports are reprocessed at top-of-the-range industrial plants which are
often owned by major multinational companies, and the environmental
benefits of recycling metals are beyond doubt, as everyone
knows.
This
amendment is about ensuring that we count eligible packaging waste
towards the achievement of the packaging directive targets for recovery
and recycling, which the UK is obliged to make under European law.
Tackling waste is the responsibility not only of the Government, but of
us allbusinesses and individuals. It is important, therefore,
that when the Government introduce rules and regulations governing how
we deal with waste, our intentions and requirements are clear and easy
to understand, and that they do not place unnecessary burdens on
law-abiding
companies.
The
recycling of packaging is subject to what is known as producer
responsibility. The cost falls on those who produce the waste. Since
the packaging regulations came into force in 1997, the UKs
packaging waste recovery rate has risen from 30 per cent. to about 63
per cent. by the end of 2007. There are genuine environmental and
resource benefits from recovery and recycling. For example, it takes 20
times more energy to produce a tonne of aluminium from virgin material
than from recovered material. At the same time, we must continue to
monitor our achievements closely against the targets for 2008 set by
the packaging and packaging waste directive. The directive sets an
overall recovery target of 60 per cent., but it also sets a
material-specific recycling target for metal of 50 per
cent.
The
figures for our achievement give us some confidence that, overall, the
UK will recover more than is required by the EU packaging directive.
However, there is doubt about whether we will be able to show that we
have met the specific recycling targets for metals. Under the EU
directive on packaging and packaging waste, packaging waste exported
out of the Community counts towards the UKs targets only if
there is sound evidence that recovery and recycling took place under
environmental conditions broadly equivalent to those in the EU. That is
at the heart of this
amendment.
Exporters
of some sorts of packaging waste are finding it increasingly difficult
to obtain such evidence. That is despite significant efforts by the
Environment Agency and by exporters. Getting evidence of broadly
equivalent status is a particular problem for the metals sector. That
is partly due to the nature of the trade, which often involves brokers
and middlemen, and partly due to the cost to overseas reprocessors of
producing suitable evidence compared with the relatively small amount
of material they receive from UK
sources.
Those
commodities trade in a global market, which at the moment is especially
buoyant. In recent years, demand from rapidly developing countries such
as China has pushed up global prices. That applies to scrap metal as
much as to other commodities. Aluminium is currently trading at up to
£1,000 per tonne, and steel at more than £200 per tonne.
The extra £20 to £30 per tonne that exporters would
receive if they could provide evidence from overseas reprocessors is
clearly not enough to lead them to devote the administrative time and
resources necessary to obtain the evidence. In almost all cases, the
destination is decided by the price available for the material, and not
the additional potential packaging waste export recovery note revenue,
otherwise known as PERN revenue. That situation is compounded by the
lack of benefit, financial or otherwise, to overseas reprocessors from
producing the required evidence, especially when the UKs
exports form only a small proportion of the raw material used by
reprocessors.
We
are confident that the metals are going to the right places, and that
they are being handled in broadly equivalent conditions in modern
facilities. However, as I have explained, exporters cannot always
obtain the evidence to show that that is what is happening. That places
the achievement of the packaging directives recycling target
for metal at risk, as the UK cannot meet that target without exporting.
The amendment that we propose to the packaging regulations would ease
the problem, as it would give the Environment Agency more discretion in
assessing what sound evidence of broadly equivalent conditions means.
The regulations will be supported by guidance setting out environmental
criteria that the agencies can use to decide whether exports will be
reprocessed in conditions broadly equivalent to those in the
EU.
Bill
Wiggin (Leominster) (Con): I am grateful to the Minister
for explaining the regulations. How much demand are we likely to see
now that PERNs are less demanding,
and how much more metal will we export? Will she say by how much we will
miss our targets if the statutory instrument is not
introduced?
Joan
Ruddock: The hon. Gentleman asks how much more will we
export. We believe that we will not export more because of the change,
because exports are already taking place.
Joan
Ruddock: Not illegally. I was at pains at the outset to
stress the shipping regulations, because we are deeply concerned that
we should not export waste that could be environmentally or socially
damaging in other countries, particularly in developing countries. The
amendment affects nothing of that kind.
The shipping
regulations remain in place. For example, we cannot export hazardous
waste outside the EU. Everything is bound by regulation, and the trade
is legitimate. Exports are occurring, but the people who do the
exporting have producer responsibilities. At the moment, that is not
worth their while, and they have great difficulty getting proof of the
type of plant in which their scrap material is reprocessed. The
amendment seeks to find a way in which we can deem there to be
equivalence. That can be done, and people will be able to obtain export
recovery notes on that new basis. That is the whole point of the
amendment. It will not change the quantity being exported, and it will
not change the destinations to which the material is being
exported.
Bill
Wiggin: I am grateful to the Minister for giving way
again. I understood that earlier she said that we will not make our
targets if we do not make it easier for people to gain the evidence and
get over that barrier. If it is not going to make any difference to the
amount that we trade, how will it help us achieve our targets?
[
Interruption.]
Joan
Ruddock: I am being offered lots of advice. The target
that we are working on suggest that for metals we are making 30 to 40
per cent. of the recovery, and our target is 50 per cent. That gap
would be closed if we were able to supply the evidence. That is what is
lacking, not the fact that a great deal of exporting goes on.
Hon. Members
may be concerned about the reasons why we export. In this country, we
could not handle the amount of scrap metal that needs to be
reprocessed. We do not have any further uses for it, because we do not
have the same levels of manufacturing that we used to have, so we do
not have such a big appetite for processing
metals.
Martin
Horwood (Cheltenham) (LD): The hon. Member for Leominster
has hit on an important issue. If the value of the PERNs means that it
is not worth the reprocessing facilities producing the waste, what
happens with the 50 per cent. of steel waste that is exported? Who pays
that premium? Is it the people who export the waste? In that case,
given the world price of steel, why can they not continue to pay that
premium?
Joan
Ruddock: No. They make a huge amount of money, which is
why we are confident that our proposal is safe. It is a buoyant market.
Those metals are valuable and will remain so in the foreseeable future.
They are sold on international markets for huge amounts of money. We
lack the technical details of proof of the
status of the plants in which the reprocessing occurs. Because of the
nature of the trade, the skills and the type of plant required, we are
confident that where metals are processed in third countries, the
facilities used are equivalent to similar facilities within the EU. The
hon. Member for Leominster looks puzzled.
Bill
Wiggin: From what the Minister has said, and given the
matter raised by the hon. Member for Cheltenham, it seems that we are
trying to slacken the demands on steel exporters, so that they do not
have to come back with the evidence that they need to reach the
Governments target. If that is how the system worksof
course the Government are confident that the steel goes to a
European-equivalent plantwhy do the Government consider the
value of the PERN, as opposed to a reduction in the quality of the
evidence? Why take the easy way? Why take less evidence as proof of
good
behaviour?
Joan
Ruddock: We are dealing with a market system that was set
up to deliver export notes for all packaging materials. It is a
producer obligation that covers all packaging waste. It is a common
system, and the amendment is appropriate. I am at pains to tell the
Committee that that would apply, because of the criteria that would be
put in place. Decisions would be taken to say, Yes, there are
equivalents out there and it would be appropriate for that to
apply to the metals sector. That is where the difficulty is, and there
are aspects of metals trading that make it different from trading in
plastics, paper or other packaging waste. The amendment will mean that
more of the eligible metal packaging waste that is exported for
recovery and recycling will count towards our directive targets. That
is the central point of the proposal.
The proposals
have been informed by a major consultation exercise. Copies of our
consultation document were sent to the main trade associations and were
placed on the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
website. Thirty-one responses were received from representative bodies,
individual businesses and compliance schemes on behalf of their
members. A summary has been published on the DEFRA website, and the
majority of respondents supported the proposed change. I am grateful
for the continued work of the members of the Advisory Committee on
Packaging, and its chairman, John Turner, for their continuing and
valuable advice. In conclusion, the proposed amendment to the
regulations will provide greater clarity to businesses, and will remove
an unnecessary administrative burden. I commend the new regulations to
the
Committee.
2.45
pm
Bill
Wiggin: In 2007, the UK disposed of an estimated 10.5
million tonnes of packaging waste, of which about 59 per cent. was
recovered and recycled. Even DEFRA admits that more needs to be done.
The UK has one of the highest levels of landfill in the European Union
and 22 per cent. of the countrys methane emissionsa gas
with 23 times the greenhouse effect of carbon dioxideis emitted
from decomposing landfill. The increasingly urgent need to reduce our
greenhouse gas emissions, combined with tough targets on landfill from
Brussels, mean that we must ensure that waste materials are recycled
whenever possible.
Producer
responsibility in the UK is rightly an extension of the
polluter pays principle, and is aimed at ensuring that
businesses that put products on the market take responsibility for
those products once they have reached the end of their life. Producer
responsibility schemes can give producers an incentive to design
products in a way that uses fewer resources; reduces or eliminates the
use of hazardous substances or materials in the manufacture of the
product; uses greater amounts of recyclates in the product; minimises
waste from the product; and can be more easily treated or dismantled
and recycled. They can deliver higher levels of recycling, lower
lifecycle emissions, and a more responsible use of our
resources.
The
recycling of waste materials adds value to the economy, by giving
refuse, the disposal of which involves costs, a genuine value.
So-called secondary raw materials are increasingly big business, as the
Minister said, and the economics of recycling are clear. To meet
landfill and other European directive objectives, and to play a part in
the mix of waste-treatment options, it is estimated that recycling and
composting of municipal waste will need to treble from current levels
to about 22 million tonnes a year by 2020. The value of that material
has been estimated at some £590 million a year, so the efficient
achievement of that aim represents a major economic, as well as
environmental, opportunity for the United Kingdom. That domestic
assessment is paralleled in commercial and industrial waste, which will
produce an estimated 35 million tonnes of material a year by 2020, with
a projected value of £520 million a year. In the construction
and demolition sectors, we need to use at least an estimated 88 million
tonnes a year by 2020, with a projected value of £700 million a
year.
Against
such a backdrop, we have been supportive of the introduction of
legislation in the past. The setting of tough targets for business
recyclingin this case for packagingis a good way to
close the loop and drive the reuse of materials. We accept the
Governments decision to bring the European Union targets to
bear more heavily on the larger companies, which ought to find it
easiest, through economies of scale, to make a transition to a higher
recycling level. However, as the instrument accepts, it is not
pragmatic to demand that all material recycling happens in the United
Kingdom or, indeed, within the EU. The practicalities and economics of
many recycling processes, particularly energy-intensive ones such as
metals recycling, are often best done at the market end. In the case of
metal, we produce about 15 megatonnes of recycled ferrous
scrap, of which only 3.6 tonnes can be consumed domestically. What is
clear, therefore, is that if recycling is to count towards our targets,
and is not taking place in the EU, we must find a way of certifying its
legitimacy that does not have the adverse effect of disincentivising
businesses from bothering to try and account for it. That is the point
that the Minister was wrestling with, and I agree with
her.
The
instrument tries to simplify the issue and we support its goals. The
existing regime of packaging waste export recovery notes, or PERNs, has
left exporters of waste packaging struggling to obtain evidence of
broadly equivalent conditions from overseas reprocessors, despite
significant resource input by the Environment Agency and the exporters.
The instrument would move us to a more discretionary system based on
sound
evidence where specific evidence is unavailable, but it should still be
subject to specific environmental criteria. Will the Minister clarify
those criteria and tell us which agencies will enforce them? Will she
also reassure us that we are not simply creating a loophole and explain
how the system of sound evidence would
apply?
As
has been noted, the Government have set business targets, which must be
met annually by companies to ensure that the UK meets its national
targets under the EU directive. DEFRA
states:
The
UK business targets are higher than the directive targets as under the
UK system smaller businesses are excluded from the obligations and so
only a proportion of all packaging is obligated whereas the EU
directive targets apply to all packaging
waste.
Will
the Minister explain whether, if all those targets are reached, we will
hit our EU target? I hope that the regulations will increase
businesses ability to register their recycling, and in doing so
drive up their eagerness to recycle. The shift to a zero-waste culture
will benefit the economy, the environment and our quality of life.
Ensuring that the proportion of our recycling that happens overseas is
better regulated and better for business, is an important part of that
process.
2.51
pm