The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Miss
Anne Begg
Blunt,
Mr. Crispin
(Reigate)
(Con)
Brown,
Mr. Russell
(Dumfries and Galloway)
(Lab)
Browne,
Mr. Jeremy
(Taunton)
(LD)
Cable,
Dr. Vincent
(Twickenham)
(LD)
Devine,
Mr. Jim
(Livingston)
(Lab)
George,
Mr. Bruce
(Walsall, South)
(Lab)
Hoban,
Mr. Mark
(Fareham)
(Con)
Kennedy,
Jane
(Financial Secretary to the
Treasury)
Newmark,
Mr. Brooks
(Braintree)
(Con)
Roy,
Mr. Frank
(Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)
Simon,
Mr. Siôn
(Birmingham, Erdington)
(Lab)
Spink,
Bob
(Castle Point)
(Con)
Streeter,
Mr. Gary
(South-West Devon)
(Con)
Taylor,
Ms Dari
(Stockton, South)
(Lab)
Touhig,
Mr. Don
(Islwyn)
(Lab/Co-op)
Williams,
Mrs. Betty
(Conwy)
(Lab)
Wright,
David
(Telford) (Lab)
Celia
Blacklock, Committee Clerk
attended the Committee
Second
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 29
January
2008
[Miss
Anne Begg
in the
Chair]
Draft Insurance Business Transfer Schemes (Amendment of the Corporation Tax Acts) Order 2008
4.30
pm
The
Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Jane Kennedy):
I beg
to move,
That the
Committee has considered the Draft Insurance Business Transfer Schemes
(Amendment of the Corporation Tax Acts) Order 2008.
It is a pleasure to serve
under your chairmanship, or chairwomanship, Miss Begg. I am covering
for the Economic Secretary to the Treasury and in considering the
detail of the order, I contemplated moving it quickly and seeing
whether I could reply to the debate. However, when I saw the sexy
topic, I thought it important that I should say a few words.
Although the
matter is complex, it was debated thoroughly during last years
Finance Bill. At the 2006 Budget, the Government announced that there
would be a major consultation exercise with the life insurance industry
to look at ways of clarifying and simplifying the corporation tax law
applying to life insurance companies. Transfers of business between
life insurance companies was one of the main areas discussed, and that
is what we are considering
today.
Following
very productive discussions between the life insurance industry and Her
Majestys Revenue and Customs officials during this process,
rules to simplify transfers of business legislation were included in
schedule 9 to the Finance Act 2007. They were designed to achieve the
twin aims of facilitating commercially driven transfers, while
protecting the corporation tax
base.
The basic
principle behind transfers of business legislation is that transfers of
business between life and insurance companies should be tax neutral
where all the assets and liabilities pass from the long-term insurance
fund of the transferor to the long-term insurance fund of the
transferee. Schedule 9 achieves this tax
neutrality.
However,
to ensure that the tax base is protected, there is also a targeted
anti-avoidance rule, known as a TAAR. The TAAR does not affect
plain vanilla commercial transfers, but it does protect
the tax base where there is an attempt artificially to reduce profits
or to create artificial losses during the transfer process. The TAAR
replaces most of the complex anti-avoidance provisions introduced over
the years, and incorporates a clearance procedure to allow companies to
be given certainty of treatment in advance of transfers taking
place.
To
allow time for further discussions with the industry on the detail of
the rules and to ensure that they will work properly, the Finance Act
2007 contained a time-limited power for the Government to lay further
regulations,
subject to affirmative resolution debate. The regulations in the order
that we are debating reflect the outcome of this further consultation
between industry and
HMRC.
1
am confident that this package of measures, which is the product of
full consultation with the life insurance industry, results in a
significant simplification of the tax law applying to transfers of life
insurance business. I commend the order to the
Committee.
4.33
pm
Mr.
Mark Hoban (Fareham) (Con): May I, too, welcome you to the
Chair, Miss Begg? I also welcome the Financial Secretary to her role as
temporary custodian of insurance tax matters. I bet she cannot wait for
the Economic Secretary to the Treasury to return. Those of us who have
been through insurance tax on two Finance Bills realise that it is not
the most straightforward area of tax; it takes time to get up to speed.
I suspect that the hon. Member for Taunton will find that out in the
weeks and months ahead, as he takes up his new responsibilities in the
Liberal Democrat shadow Treasury
team.
There is no
disagreementcertainly on our partwith the order. It is
the outcome of detailed consultation with the Association of British
Insurers and that has characterised the development of tax law in this
area in recent months. The Financial Secretary will recognise that
consultation is a good thing when it comes to tax changes for insurance
companies, because that is one of the unfinished areas in the capital
gains tax reforms that were announced in October. I am sure that there
are more debates to be had on that in the weeks ahead.
I have two brief questions.
One reason why the Government introduced a more streamlined process for
transfers is to aid the administrative ease of life insurance
companies. Page 5 of the explanatory notes refers to the issue of
spreading changes back over previous accounting periods where a company
recognises an unusual profit. One change in the order aims to ensure
that there are not too many accounting periods. Why do we still have
the process of spreading over accounting periods, rather than having a
pre-determined time? That would make it easier to introduce changes, so
that we do not have to create what is effectively a one-day period of
account.
My second
question concerns the targeted anti-avoidance rules. I understand that
the changes restrict the scope of the TAAR. This is being done through
secondary legislation. That is in stark contrast with the debates we
had in the Finance Bill Committee, where restrictions in respect of
other targeted anti-avoidance rules were made not through primary or
secondary legislation but through guidance. Why has the Treasury opted
for restriction through secondary legislation, rather than simply
issuing further guidance?
4.37
pm
Mr.
Jeremy Browne (Taunton) (LD): It is a pleasure to serve
under your chairmanship, Miss Begg. I do not think that I have had that
opportunity before.
In such Committees, the
business sometimes appears impenetrable on first inspection, but after
sifting through the papers it all becomes much clearer. I am not
certain that that is the case this time, so I shall tread
tentatively in my short contribution, but coming at this from a
laymans perspective may help the Committee.
While taking into account the
temporary capacity in which the Financial Secretary is covering these
responsibilities, I should like to ask her a few questions that are not
technical but will, I hope, shed greater light on the effect of the
changes. First, in case a policy holder, claimant or someone with an
insurance or reinsurance business asks me about the effect of the
changes, I would be interested to know what tangible effects there will
be. Is there anything that need cause them concern? Do the Government
think that the industry as a whole will be affected? Will the
legislation affect the behaviour of the industry?
My final point concerns
revenue to the Government. The Financial Secretary talked about
neutrality, but I was not clear whether she meant neutrality compared
with not having adopted the proposals at all, or compared with existing
budgets. Is this potentially a revenue-raising device for the
Government? If so, what sums does she imagine will be transferred to
the Treasury?
4.38
pm
Jane
Kennedy:
The hon. Member for Fareham asked why we have
chosen to spread over accounting periods, rather than having a set
time. I am advised that nearly all periods will be 12 months, so in
practice, this will make no difference. He asked why we opted for
secondary legislation rather than further HMRC guidance. It gives more
certainty to the industry if changes are contained in legislation. We
are debating the order because that was the course of action
determined in 2007. We are following up promises made as a result of the
consultation that led up to the 2007 Budget.
The hon. Member for Taunton
asked what tangible effects there would be and why we are doing this.
In coming to the Treasury, I have been very conscious of the sustained
criticism of the tax regime. We have been repeatedly berated for having
a very complex tax structure. I assure the Committee that we really are
simplifying the legislation, as a result not only of the changes in
Budget 2007 but in the order. I do not claim that the legislation is in
any way simple, but it is none the less simpler.
The order will make
commercially driven transfers easier; the industry was keen to achieve
that. The targeted anti-avoidance rules operate on the basis of the
expected advantage rather than the actual advantage because at the time
when the calculation of the advantage is made, it is impossible that
all the associated operations will have taken place.
The hon.
Gentleman asked what was meant by the reference to neutrality. This
order is not tax-raising, but the anti-avoidance rule protects the tax
base and the whole consultation package is expected to be neutral over
three years. I hope that those answers are sufficient to reassure hon.
Members, who rightly pointed that while the matter is complex, it is
worth probing. I hope that they and those affected by the decisions
will be pleased by the outcome of the consultation and the action that
we are taking today. I hope that the order will receive a fair wind
from the Committee.
Question put and agreed
to.
Committee
rose at eighteen minutes to Five
oclock.