The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Armstrong,
Hilary
(North-West Durham)
(Lab)
Battle,
John
(Leeds, West)
(Lab)
Betts,
Mr. Clive
(Sheffield, Attercliffe)
(Lab)
Blunkett,
Mr. David
(Sheffield, Brightside)
(Lab)
Blunt,
Mr. Crispin
(Reigate)
(Con)
Brake,
Tom
(Carshalton and Wallington)
(LD)
Byrne,
Mr. Liam
(Minister for Borders and
Immigration)
Caborn,
Mr. Richard
(Sheffield, Central)
(Lab)
Campbell,
Mr. Alan
(Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)
Cash,
Mr. William
(Stone)
(Con)
Clarke,
Mr. Kenneth
(Rushcliffe)
(Con)
Curry,
Mr. David
(Skipton and Ripon)
(Con)
Green,
Damian
(Ashford)
(Con)
Ladyman,
Dr. Stephen
(South Thanet)
(Lab)
Lucas,
Ian
(Wrexham) (Lab)
Spellar,
Mr. John
(Warley)
(Lab)
Willott,
Jenny
(Cardiff, Central)
(LD)
Eliot Wilson, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Second
Delegated Legislation Committee
Tuesday 1 April
2008
[Mr.
Mike Weir
in the
Chair]
Draft Immigration (Registration Card) Order 2008
4.30
pm
The
Minister for Borders and Immigration (Mr. Liam
Byrne):
I beg to
move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Immigration (Registration Card)
Order 2008.
I do not
wish to detain the Committee for long. The order is a simple
instrument. It is technical, and it is merely a bridging matter. It
amends section 26A of the Immigration Act 1971, which
the Committee will know from the explanatory memorandum redefines the
registration card to extend its definition to cover identity documents
that are used by claimants of support under section 4 of the
Immigration and Asylum Act
1999.
As the Committee
will be aware, section 4 is available to failed asylum seekers for whom
there is a temporary barrier to removal to stop them
lapsing into destitution. Many claimants will have an identity document
called an asylum registration cardan ARC. Indeed, about 11,000
people and their dependants on section 4 support will probably have
such a card and about 700 will not. I intend to tighten the system
during the next few months so that everyone who is claiming section 4
support has such an identity document. They are more secure items and
thus a better safeguard against fraud. As we tighten the system, it is
important that existing and new card holders face criminal penalties if
they abuse the process. In time, the cards will be replaced by identity
cards for foreign nationals which will be provided under the United
Kingdom Borders Act 2007 but, in the meantime, it is important that
anyone who abuses the cards faces criminal offence penalties. I commend
the instrument to the
Committee.
4.32
pm
Damian
Green (Ashford) (Con): The Minister said that he does not
wish to detain us for long. Observing the heavy artillery behind him,
it almost tempts me to say the
same.
I agree that the
matter is mainly technical. The Minister will accept that surrounding
registration cards is the sensitive issue of destitution, because those
whose asylum claim has failed may be threatened with it. I am sure he
would agree that, despite the Government being criticised for using
destitution as a tool of public policy, that is not his intention, and
nor do I accuse him of that. Clearly, the technicalities of the system
are important. If they go wrong, people may well find themselves facing
destitution and could therefore be tempted to go into criminal
activities and so on simply to survive. However, I have no objection in
principle to people being properly registered. They should be able to
demonstrate who they say they are and therefore be entitled to
appropriate benefits.
I hope that the Minister can
answer a few questions on the instrument. He said
that he thought there were about 700 eligible people. Is that the
number of extra cards he expects to hand out? How many of those people
need the cards because their claims predate their introduction? That
information will be illuminating, because it will illustrate the long
delays that still obtain in the asylum system, despite all the claims
about it being changed and improved over the past couple of
years.
Will the registration card
change in any way? Is there going to be a new way of
establishing identity? Will there be biometrics on it, or anything like
that? How many prosecutions have there been in connection with
falsifying or amending the registration cards? It would help to know
the scale of the potential criminality when assessing the success or
otherwise of the registration card system. I hope that the Minister
will be able to answer those fewI hope
pertinentquestions. In principle, we have no objection to the
change.
4.35
pm
Jenny
Willott (Cardiff, Central) (LD): We also have no
objections to the order, as it seems to be a technical amendment and it
is sensible to bring all ARCs in line with the same regulations.
However, I have a number of questions for the Minister. My first
question leads on from the point made by the hon.
Member for Ashford about the level of prosecutions. Can the Minister
let us know how many prosecutions for fraud have taken place under the
existing regulations and how many cases the Department estimates there
will be under the new regulations? Although we are talking about only
700 new cards, presumably the regulation will relate to everyone who
has an ARC that has been issued for section 95 support or section 4
support, and presumably some people already have cards that have been
issued while they are on section 4 support, so the number of people
potentially affected will be greater than 700. Despite the complex
grammar of that sentence, I hope that it made sense to the Minister. I
would be grateful if he could tell us the number of cases that the
Department estimates there are at the moment, for existing ARCs and for
those likely to be produced in the next few months, because the number
of prosecutions and the number of cases that the Department estimates
are probably quite different figures.
Finally, paragraph 4.4 of the
explanatory notes refers to proposals to demand that failed asylum
seekers who are receiving section 4 support produce their ARC on
request at any time. The hon. Member for Ashford said that the people
to whom we are referring are often destitute, poor, among the most
marginalised in society, and living on vouchers and that they
oftenwhether rightly or wronglyfeel persecuted. In the
light of that, will the Minister say in what circumstances he expects
them to have to produce the cards on request? If this gets too
heavy-handed, it could be seen as another form of discrimination
against an already vulnerable group. With those questions, we will
support the
order.
4.37
pm
Mr.
Byrne:
The hon. Member for Ashford raised an important
question about the format of the cards, and I can confirm that the
cards are unlikely to change in the near future because they contain a
number of
security features that are extremely valuable. The cards already contain
the holders personal details as well as a digital
photograph, biometric detailswhich, I should
explain to the Committee, means fingerprintsand demographic
information. Some useful points were made about the number of those
cards in circulation. There are about 300,000 ARCs in issue at the
moment. The key question that the hon. Gentleman raised was how many
new cards would be issued as a result of this general tightening up. I
have brought some numbers for the Committee. There are currently 11,554
people and dependents on section 4 support. All but about 700 already
have ARCs, so I accept that the tightening up is taking place at the
margins, but it is nevertheless a tightening up.
Useful points were also made
about the number of prosecutions that we have already seen to date. I
have brought along a few details on that question
too. In 2006, which is the last year for which published data are
available, there were 34 prosecutions for these offences.
They resulted in 21 convictions. A range of custodial and non-custodial
sentences were handed down. It is difficult to predict how many new
offences or how many prosecutions we are likely to encounter over the
next 12 months with the extension of these offences to section 4
claimants. It is nevertheless important to have criminal sanctions
available if people seek to abuse an identity-checking process which is
important to the integrity of providing section 4
support.
My only
ambition in laying this instrument before the
Committee this afternoon is to provide a more secure
means of checking failed asylum seekers identity when they are
claiming support. Section 4 support is important. It prevents
destitution for those who are encountering a temporary barrier to their
going home. It is therefore important that, if people abuse that
system, there is a sanction for doing
so.
Question put
and agreed
to.
Committee
rose at twenty minutes to Five
oclock.