The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Peter Atkinson
Abbott,
Ms Diane
(Hackney, North and Stoke Newington)
(Lab)
Blackman,
Liz
(Vice-Chamberlain of Her Majesty's
Household)
Bryant,
Chris
(Rhondda)
(Lab)
Cryer,
Mrs. Ann
(Keighley)
(Lab)
Evans,
Mr. Nigel
(Ribble Valley)
(Con)
Field,
Mr. Mark
(Cities of London and Westminster)
(Con)
Goggins,
Paul
(Minister of State, Northern Ireland
Office)
Mallaber,
Judy
(Amber Valley)
(Lab)
Moore,
Mr. Michael
(Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk)
(LD)
Palmer,
Dr. Nick
(Broxtowe)
(Lab)
Reid,
Mr. Alan
(Argyll and Bute)
(LD)
Robertson,
Mr. Laurence
(Tewkesbury)
(Con)
Simpson,
David
(Upper Bann)
(DUP)
Skinner,
Mr. Dennis
(Bolsover)
(Lab)
Stuart,
Ms Gisela
(Birmingham, Edgbaston)
(Lab)
Watkinson,
Angela
(Upminster)
(Con)
Whitehead,
Dr. Alan
(Southampton, Test)
(Lab)
John Benger, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Second
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 2 June
2008
[Mr.
Peter Atkinson in the
Chair]
Draft Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008
4.30
pm
The
Minister of State, Northern Ireland Office (Paul Goggins):
I beg to move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland)
Order
2008.
The
Chairman: With this it will be convenient to consider the
draft Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland Consequential Amendments) Order
2008.
Paul
Goggins: It is very good to see you in the Chair,
Mr.
Atkinson.
The
orders were laid before the House on 30 April. While the main focus of
my opening speech will be on the lead order, I am pleased that we can
debate both orders at the same time. As we move towards the devolution
of policing and justice powers in Northern Ireland, it is my profound
hope that this will be the very last time that a Committee of this
House is asked to approve major criminal justice legislation for
Northern Ireland through the Order-in-Council procedure. In future,
that will quite rightly be a job for the Northern Ireland
Assembly.
The draft
Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 is the result of the
first ever fundamental reform and consolidation of the law on sexual
offences in Northern Ireland. Many of the current statutes date from
the 19th century and are difficult to apply to current circumstances.
For some time we have recognised the growing need for a strengthened,
modernised and harmonised body of law based on the Sexual Offences Act
2003.
In passing, I
should mention that the 2003 Act was the first major Act for which I
was the lead Minister when I was in the Home Office. Looking around the
Committee, I see the hon. Member for Rhondda and other colleagues who
served on that Committee. When the then Home Secretary, my right hon.
Friend the Member for Sheffield, Brightside (Mr. Blunkett),
gave me responsibility for that Act, he said that a Minister is given
the opportunity to legislate on sexual offences only once in every 50
years. Well, here we are again just five years
later.
The
draft legislation was preceded by a comprehensive review of the law.
The Government sought views from key stakeholders and others in
Northern Ireland on how the law should distinguish for the 21st century
between acceptable sexual behaviour and criminal activity. The review
took as its starting point the extensive research and findings of the
fundamental review of the law on sexual offences that was carried out
in England and Wales, as well as the parliamentary scrutiny of the
2003 Act. Essentially, we took the view that unless there was a good
reason, the law in Northern Ireland should as far as possible match
that in England and
Wales.
The proposed
order will update the law to suit the 21st century. All offences will
be gender neutral and, in the main, consensual sexual activity between
adults in private will not fall within criminal law. The order will
strengthen and modernise sexual offences, primarily to ensure that all
non-consensual sexual activity and sexual activity involving children
and other vulnerable people is criminalised and will attract
appropriately robust sanctions. It will provide for clearly defined
offences, which should ensure that anyone who engages in non-consensual
or unacceptable sexual activity will face justice and appropriate
punishment. Perhaps most importantly, children and young people are at
the centre of the proposals, with new offences designed to protect the
most vulnerable and to punish severely any perpetrator of child sexual
abuse.
The
consultation on the order has been thorough. A policy consultation was
carried out in 2006 and a proposed draft sexual offences order was
prepared and consulted on from November 2007 until February 2008.
Altogether there were 369 responses to the legislative proposals,
including 29 from organisations, political parties and elected
representatives. The remaining 340 were from individuals responding in
a personal capacity, and they focused mainly on the proposal to reduce
the age of consent from 17 to
16.
The
Northern Ireland Assembly established an ad hoc Committee of all of the
main Northern Ireland political parties to consider the draft order. I
am grateful to the members of that Committee for their careful
scrutiny. While the age of consent issue has provided some difference
of opinion, there has been strong support for the order as a whole. The
Northern Ireland Assembly not only affirmed its support for the sweep
of the legislation, but welcomed the increased sentences and the move
to gender neutrality. The Northern Ireland Commissioner for Children
and Young People and the Police Service of Northern Ireland welcomed
the contents of the order. The major childrens organisations,
such as the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children
and Barnardos, were also generally supportive, along with Brook
and the Family Planning
Association.
It
might help the Committee if I briefly run through what is proposed in
the legislation. The order clarifies the law, creates new offences,
strengthens sentences and stops discrimination. There is a clear focus
on five different themes: non-consensual offences, offences against
children, offences against those with a mental disorder, prostitution
and other unacceptable sexual behaviour. The core offences that cover
the absence of consent are set out in part 2. They include a new
statutory offence of rape to replace the common-law offence, and new
serious offences of assault by penetration and causing a person to
engage in sexual activity without consent.
The new
offence of rape has been expanded to include oral penetration, and the
offence of assault by penetration carries a maximum life sentence for
behaviour that under the current law would be classed as indecent
assault with a maximum sentence of only 10 years. We propose the same
statutory definition of consent as exists in England and Wales, with a
number of evidential presumptions that consent was absent unless
evidence is provided to the contrary. For example, if violence was
used or threatened, there would be a presumption that consent had not
been given.
The second
major element of the legislation is the new framework of offences
against children, which are set out in part 3. The most important issue
in that regard is that where an offence is committed against a child
under the age of 13, there is no requirement to address the issue of
consent. That follows the Sexual Offences Act and makes it clear that
there can be no question about the capacity of a child under the age of
13 to agree to sexual activity. Penetration of a child aged 12 or under
will always be classified as rape.
The next group
of offences concern children under 16 and criminalises all sexual
activity with children and young people under that age. The maximum
sentence for that group of offences is 14 years, although where the
offence is committed by someone under 18, the maximum sentence is
reduced to five years. By comparison, the current offence in Northern
Ireland of unlawful carnal knowledge criminalises only sexual
intercourse, and the maximum sentence for unlawful sexual intercourse
with a girl aged 14 to 17, regardless of the age of the other party, is
only two years. Indeed, there is no specific offence by which it is
unlawful for a girl or woman to have sexual intercourse with a boy
under 17.
The third
group of offences applies to young people under 18. The aim is to
provide a safety net against exploitation and abuse. For example, it
will continue to be unlawful to have sexual activity with a young
person under the age of 18 for anyone in a specified position of trust
or in a specified family relationship. It will be unlawful to pay for
the sexual services of a child under 18 or to cause, incite or arrange
for a young person to become involved in prostitution or pornography
and to control that person. Finally, the age under which it will be
illegal to make, take, possess or distribute indecent photographs of
children will be increased to 18.
Part 4 of the order sets out the
circumstances in which it will be illegal to engage in sexual activity
with a person who has a mental disorder. There are three clear aspects
to those offences. The first relates to those with more severe
disabilities and will penalise any sexual activity with someone who
lacks the capacity to choose because of a mental disorder or who is
unable to communicate such a choice. The second deals with the
procuring of sexual activity with a person with a mental disorder by
inducement, threat or deception. The third simply outlaws any sexual
activity by a care worker with a person with a mental disorder. These
offences increase the range of offending behaviour against this
particularly vulnerable group, while still acknowledging the rights of
many such individuals to a consensual and non-exploitative sexual
relationship.
Part 5
contains provisions to address the problems of kerb crawling and
soliciting for prostitution, which occur to some degree in all of our
major cities, including Belfast. The police have pressed for these
provisions, as indeed has my hon. Friend the Member for Belfast, South
(Dr. McDonnell). We are also sending a further message to those engaged
in commercial sexual exploitation, with sentences of seven years for
causing, inciting and controlling prostitution and for keeping a
brothel.
Part
6 contains a miscellaneous but important group of offences. It
criminalises acts where the clear intention is to commit a sexual
offencefor example, giving someone so-called date rape drugs.
It criminalises sex
with an adult relative and it lists other behaviours considered
unacceptable: exposure, voyeurism, intercourse with an animal, sexual
penetration of a corpse and sexual activity in a public
toilet.
Part 7 makes
further important provisions. It allows offences committed overseas
against children to be pursued by the courts in Northern Ireland,
whether or not they are offences in that other country. It also removes
offences against children committed by other children or young persons
from the reporting requirements of the Criminal Law Act 1967, although
I have agreed not to commence that provision until new safeguarding
legislation is enactedhopefully in
2009.
As I said
earlier, there was an impressive and largely supportive response to the
Governments consultation on the order. The Government set out
their response to the issues raised in a statement, which contained a
summary of the representations that accompanied the order when it was
laid before Parliament. A further document contained a summary of the
changes made to the order. For example, the Government have agreed to
look further at the possible inclusion of sports coaches within the
positions of trust listed in article 28. We will ask the Minister of
Culture, Arts and Leisure to consult sports bodies in Northern Ireland
on that suggestion. We have also agreed to consult on guidance and to
look at ways to engage with children and young people on the
introduction of the new law.
One issue on
which the Government have not been persuaded concerns the changing of
the age of consent to 16 from 17. Our policy position remains that we
have not seen any compelling evidence to suggest that the criminal law
in Northern Ireland should continue to be at variance with the rest of
the United Kingdom on this issue. Much of the argument against the move
to harmonise the law has come from a basic misunderstanding of what the
term age of consent means. It does not set in law the
age at which it is deemed appropriate or even necessary to start sexual
activity. We are setting out the circumstances in which it is an
offence to engage in sexual activity with a young person, even though
that young person gives their consent. If that young person is 14 or
15, it remains an offence for another person to engage in sexual
activity with them. We say that at 16, a young person has a right to
take responsibility for their decisions and the other person should not
be criminalised as a result. It is important to underline that the
focus for the criminal law is not the conduct of the person below the
age of consentit is the conduct of the other
person.
We
believe that a majority of young people from the age of 16 will make
sensible decisions, supported particularly by parental guidance, as
well as by sex education in schools and the work of statutory and
voluntary organisations that influence young people. We are supported
by all the major childrens organisations: the NSPCC,
Barnardos, the Childrens Law Centre, the Northern
Ireland Commissioner for Children and Young People, and numerous
representatives of social care trusts and MLAs, including the chairman
of the Assemblys ad hoc Committee that considered the order in
detail, Dr. Stephen Farry, who said in the debate in the
Assembly:
My
view is that the age of consent in Northern Ireland should be set at 16
years of age and be in line with the rest of the United Kingdom. I do
not believe that there is a compelling reason for Northern Ireland to
be out of line with the rest of the
UK.
Chris
Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab): I am sorry to delay my hon. Friend
on a small point. There are obviously people who have been prosecuted
in Northern Ireland for having sex at 16. If the order goes through,
that will no longer be illegal. Those people have criminal records and
may be on the sex offenders register. When we introduced the Sexual
Offences Act 2003, we made it possible for people whose offences were
no longer offencesif my hon. Friend takes my meaningto
apply to have their names withdrawn. Will that be the case in Northern
Ireland?