The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Sir
Nicholas Winterton
Baron,
Mr. John
(Billericay)
(Con)
Burt,
Lorely
(Solihull)
(LD)
Clarke,
Mr. Charles
(Norwich, South)
(Lab)
Curry,
Mr. David
(Skipton and Ripon)
(Con)
Djanogly,
Mr. Jonathan
(Huntingdon)
(Con)
Dorries,
Mrs. Nadine
(Mid-Bedfordshire)
(Con)
Palmer,
Dr. Nick
(Broxtowe)
(Lab)
Riordan,
Mrs. Linda
(Halifax)
(Lab/Co-op)
Salter,
Martin
(Reading, West)
(Lab)
Seabeck,
Alison
(Plymouth, Devonport)
(Lab)
Simpson,
Alan
(Nottingham, South)
(Lab)
Spellar,
Mr. John
(Warley)
(Lab)
Syms,
Mr. Robert
(Poole)
(Con)
Teather,
Sarah
(Brent, East)
(LD)
Whitehead,
Dr. Alan
(Southampton, Test)
(Lab)
Wicks,
Malcolm
(Minister for
Energy)Mark Etherton,
Committee Clerk
attended
the Committee
Third
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 7 July
2008
[Sir
Nicholas Winterton in the
Chair]
Draft Large and Medium-sized Limited Liability Partnerships (Accounts) Regulations 2008
4.30
pm
The
Minister for Energy (Malcolm Wicks): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Large and Medium-sized Limited
Liability Partnerships (Accounts) Regulations
2008.
The
Chairman: With this it will be convenient to consider the
draft Small Limited Liability Partnerships (Accounts) Regulations 2008
and the draft Limited Liability Partnerships (Accounts and Audit)
(Application of Companies Act 2006) Regulations
2008.
Malcolm
Wicks: It is a pleasure to serve again under your
chairmanship, Sir Nicholas. I obviously abide by your ruling on
considering the instruments together, although I was looking forward to
treating the Committee to three technical speeches. However, I have now
combined my notes into one coherent whole, I hope. Although you have
helpfully detailed the two other sets of draft regulations, which will
also be made under the Limited Liability Partnerships Act 2000, I think
that it will help if I begin by putting all three sets in
context.
Although
companies have had the benefit of limited liability for many
yearsindeed, for very many years, if I recall my history
correctlythe concept did not exist for partnerships until the
passing of the 2000 Act. The growth in size of professional
firmsnotably lawyers and accountantsand the consequent
increase in the possible size of claims against them were driving
forces behind the creation of a new form of body corporate: the limited
liability partnership, which I shall refer to as the LLP. LLPs were
created by the 2000 Act and its Northern Ireland equivalent in
2002.
Much
of the substance of the law applying to LLPs is created by regulations
that apply company law, particularly large parts of the Companies Act
1985, with appropriate modifications to LLPs. Northern Ireland follows
a similar approach by applying to LLPs, by regulation, provisions of
the Companies (Northern Ireland) Order
1986.
Unlike
companies, LLPs do not have directors and shareholders but only
members. The flexibility that they have in respect of their internal
arrangements is similar to that of conventional partnerships. Since its
creation seven years ago, the LLP structure has appealed to business of
all sizes and sectorsindeed, most of the large accountancy and
legal firms are LLPsbut the regime is also used by a large
number of small firms. The number of businesses choosing to operate as
partnerships continues to rise, from 1,936 in March 2002 to about
30,000 by February this year. LLPs have proved to be popular.
The Companies
Act 2006 introduced important reforms and provides a modern framework
for business. In the light of the changes made to company law by that
Act, the Government intend to apply provisions from it, with
appropriate modifications, to LLPs by regulation. That will involve a
two-stage process. The draft regulations will apply the accounts and
audit provisions of the 2006 Act to LLPs for financial years
beginning on or after 1 October 2008. The Acts provisions on
accounts and audit came into force for companies on 6 April 2008 for
financial years beginning on or after that date, and our consultees
told us that they would like the equivalent provisions to be brought
into force for LLPs this
October.
The
regulations are very technical, but, put simply, they will ensure that
provisions on the accounts that LLPs must prepare are kept in line with
those for companies. The regulations also set out the provisions in a
clearer and more user friendly wayeven more user friendly than
this speech. The remaining provisions of the 2006 Act will be applied
to LLPs with effect from 1 October 2009, in line with the
implementation timetable for the Companies Act 2006. Later this year,
we plan to publish, for comment, the final set of draft
regulations.
To reach this
point, we have consulted on the broad approach to applying the 2006 Act
to LLPs, on the detailed policy proposals and finally on the draft
regulations themselves. The vast majority of respondents to the
consultations supported the approach and proposals. In addition, a
working group of interested parties has worked closely with officials
on the detailed drafting of the regulations. In all, around 59
different stakeholdersa terrible wordor people with an
interest have commented on or been involved in the drafting of the
regulations. I should like to extend my thanks to those who have
contributed thus far, and I look forward to their further input on the
final set of draft
regulations.
The
Limited Liability Partnerships Regulations 2001 apply large parts of
the Companies Act 1985 to partnerships, with modifications of varying
degrees. That creates a complex set of regulations that have to be read
together with the 1985 Act. A similar approach is taken in Northern
Ireland. The draft regulations and those that are to follow next year
set out the 2006 Act provisions applied to LLPs in full, as modified to
take account of the characteristics of such
partnerships.
Following
the principles of think small first and to improve the
clarity of the legislation, we have drafted the regulations to ensure
that LLPs reap the rewards of simpler and clearer legislation in more
modern language and that they remain an attractive corporate vehicle
for business. So, for example, small LLPs have their own set of
regulations. In line with the extension of company law to Northern
Ireland, the regulations that apply the 2006 Act to LLPs will also
extend to Northern Ireland partnerships.
The
accounting and reporting requirements in part 15 of the 2006 Act are
substantially the same as those in the 1985 Act. Part 15 confers powers
on the Secretary of State to make regulations on the detailed form and
content of the accounts and reports of companies, and those regulations
have already been made after debate in the House and in another place.
In applying the 2006 Act accounting provisions to
partnerships, a small number of changes to the accounting requirements
for
LLPs are necessary, and they mirror some of the changes already
introduced for
companies.
The
draft regulations will also apply to LLPs part 16 of the 2006 Act on
the audit of accounts. As with the provisions on accounts, the draft
regulations will apply the rules to LLPs as they apply to private
companies, with adaptation to take account of the different internal
arrangements of partnerships. Some significant changes in audit
provisions for companies will be applied, where appropriate, to LLPs.
The draft regulations will also apply part 42 of the 2006 Act on
statutory auditors to those acting as the auditors of LLPs.
In summary,
the draft regulations will make a small number of substantive changes
in the application of the accounts and audit provisions applied
currently to LLPs by applying, with modification, some of the new
provisions of the 2006 Act. They also restate the whole provision as
applied in full in a stand-alone set of regulations that are more
user-friendly to LLPs, particularly smaller ones and their advisers.
That will enable LLPs to take advantage of many of the major benefits
to businesses of modernising and simplifying company
law.
The
Chairman: I advise the Committee that the debate may
continue, if necessary, until 6.1
pm.
4.39
pm
Mr.
Jonathan Djanogly (Huntingdon) (Con): Thank you, Sir
Nicholas, for your advice, which is timely.
[Interruption.] The duty Whip says that I need not
necessarily follow
it.
First,
I declare my interest as a partner in SJ Berwin LLP, although I
appreciate that these are generic statutory instruments. Each of the
three statutory instruments relates to the application of the Companies
Act 2006 to LLPs in the format of a stand-alone set of LLP regulations.
If the draft regulations were not to come into force, LLPs would
continue to operate under the Limited Liability Partnerships
Regulations 2001, which are based on the Companies Act 1985, and would
not therefore benefit from the provisions of the 2006
Actspecifically, the reductions in the regulatory
burden.
Under
the draft regulations, as the Minister said, the 2006 Act provisions
will be applied to LLPs from 1 October 2009. I think that
the date was originally going to be 2008. As the regulatory impact
assessment says, the aim of applying the 2006 Act to LLPs is to enable
them to take advantage of the major benefits to business of modernising
and simplifying company law, according to the objectives that I have
just described. In that way, it is hoped that LLPs will remain an
attractive corporate vehicle for business, while retaining their
distinctive, flexible
characteristics.
We
agree that this is a valid aim. To that end, three possible answers to
the problems of placing LLPs on the same basis as companies following
the 2006 Act were considered. Option A was to do nothing, which would
mean not applying the 2006 Act to LLPs, so they would continue to
operate under the existing provisions. Those provisions are largely
based on the Companies Act 1985, which will be repealed in most parts
for companies. If the LLP regulations were not amended, LLP law would
be out of step with modern company law.
Option B would
have meant amending the 2006 Act and applying the relevant provisions
of that Act to LLPs with a series of general and specific
modifications, without setting out the modified legislation in full.
The 2001 LLP regulations currently take that form. They are already a
complex set of regulations for LLPs and their advisers to interpret.
Producing a further set of amending regulations would make the position
for LLPs even more
complex.
The
option proposed is a stand-alone set of regulations restating
provisions of the 2006 Act, as applied to LLPs with appropriate
modifications, and two sets of accompanying accounts
regulationsone set for small LLPs and another for medium-sized
and large LLPs. The assumption is that the structure of the LLP
regulations will make the provisions that apply to LLPs are much easier
to understand. We agree that that will make the LLP legislation far
more accessible for LLPs and professional advisers. It will reduce the
time that it takes to cross-reference the regulations with
other companies legislation and lessen the complexity of the
law for LLPs.
The Committee
will be pleased to hear that I do not intend to go through the draft
regulations in detail, but we have consulted on them and the
professions are happy with the outcome. The Joint Committee on
Statutory Instruments, acting in its usual, meticulous way, came up
with a couple of points on a few matters of special interest to it that
are worth mentioning. The first was mentioned by the Minister. The
draft regulations will extend only to the UK, reflecting the extent of
the 2006 Act. The LLP provisions will be extended to
Northern Ireland under section 1286(1)(a) of the 2006 Act,
and that section will be commenced to the extent necessary by a
separate commencement order, which, I understand, will be made before
the regulations are made. Perhaps the Minister could confirm
that.
The
second issue concerns regulation 27, which applies to LLPs, and section
468 of the 2006 Act, which confers powers on the Secretary of State to
make further provision about accounts by regulations and which is
subject to the parliamentary procedure set out in section 473. That
will ensure that, if relevant changes are made in the future to the
accounting provisions for companies using powers in the 2006 Act
subject to the negative procedure, the law on the accounts of LLPs can
be kept in line with that of companies, using the same parliamentary
procedure. I think that I have that right, but perhaps the Minister
will confirm it. If so, all this seems very sensible and uncontentious
from our point of view.
4.45
pm
Lorely
Burt (Solihull) (LD): I welcome you to the Chair, Sir
Nicholas.
The
draft regulations are welcome. Limited liability partnerships have
proved helpful in giving the benefit of limited liability, while
allowing the internal structure of companies to remain similar to that
of traditional partnerships. It is clearly helpful to apply the audit
provision of the Companies Act 2006, of which I am a veteran, to
accounts whose years begin on or after this
October.
In
respect of small LLPs, there are two changes. Small LLPs can include
financial instruments in the accounts at fair value in certain
circumstances, and
some technical amendments will help UK accounting standards to merge
with international financial reporting standards. There is no argument
against any of that. However, I would argue about how far the
Governments strapline, think small first,
actually materialises outside the pages of legislation, but perhaps I
will leave that for another day. Similarly, I have no argument in
respect of medium-sized and large LLPs. We obviously want to support
and give succour to them and to prevent them from being attracted
elsewhere in the world to be
incorporated.
I
should like to ask two questions. We can see from the explanatory notes
that the number of LLPs has grown since 2000 to about 30,000 today, but
we do not know very much about them. We do not even know in more than
half the cases whether they are large, medium-sized or small. Why is
that? Are there not any financial reporting statistics that we could
use to find out, without burdening the companies concerned with
additional questions? If we do not have such information, does that
mean that the Government are not communicating with the companies and
offering advice and assistance to help them to
thrive?
My
second question is about the impact assessment. The answer to the
question,
When
will the policy be
reviewed?
is:
This
will be done as part of the wider evaluation of the impact of the
Companies Act
2006.
That
does not answer the question. I should like to ask the Minister when
the policy will be
reviewed.
4.47
pm
Malcolm
Wicks: This has been a mercifully short but useful
discussion. I am pleased by the general support for the draft
regulations.
The
hon. Member for Huntingdon asked two specific questions. The answer to
both is yes, but I will answer in slightly more detail. The
commencement order will be made before the regulations. It will repeal
the relevant provisions for Northern Ireland. I can also confirm the
other point that he made about the application of the amending power in
section 468. Therefore, the answer to both his questions is yes, and I
welcome his support.
Limited
liability partnerships are mainly accounting and legal firms, but some
small companies are also involved, as I said in my opening address. The
breakdown between small, medium-sized and large is based on information
from Companies House. I am told that little data are available. I will
take advice on whether that is a shortcoming. With all of these things,
one has to get the balance right between useful information and the
administrative burdens of over-regulation on partnerships. My
Department also has responsibility for regulatory reform, which we take
seriously. I will consider this issue, and if there is something useful
to say, I will write to the hon. Member for
Solihull.
The
hon. Lady also asked when the 2006 Act will be reviewed. The Department
is considering and consulting on detailed plans for review, which will
be put into effect after the full implementation of the 2006 Act in
October 2009. We are looking at the details of a review and consulting
on them, but I cannot give that detail yet. However, we note her
interest in this matter. With those words, I hope that the Committee
will support the draft
regulations.
The
Chairman: That was a splendid debate, which was succinct,
to the point and
quick.
Question
put and agreed
to.
Resolved,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Large and Medium-sized Limited
Liability Partnerships (Accounts) Regulations
2008.
Resolved,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Small Limited Liability
Partnerships (Accounts) Regulations 2008.[Malcolm
Wicks.]
Resolved,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Limited Liability Partnerships
(Accounts and Audit) (Application of Companies Act 2006) Regulations
2008.[Malcolm
Wicks.]
Committee
rose at nine minutes to Five
oclock.