The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Martyn Jones
Betts,
Mr. Clive
(Sheffield, Attercliffe)
(Lab)
Blunt,
Mr. Crispin
(Reigate)
(Con)
Brake,
Tom
(Carshalton and Wallington)
(LD)
Brokenshire,
James
(Hornchurch)
(Con)
Campbell,
Mr. Alan
(Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)
Clelland,
Mr. David
(Tyne Bridge)
(Lab)
Clwyd,
Ann
(Cynon Valley)
(Lab)
Hamilton,
Mr. Fabian
(Leeds, North-East)
(Lab)
Hillier,
Meg
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home
Department)Jones,
Mr. Kevan
(North Durham)
(Lab)
Knight,
Mr. Greg
(East Yorkshire)
(Con)
Leigh,
Mr. Edward
(Gainsborough)
(Con)
Liddell-Grainger,
Mr. Ian
(Bridgwater)
(Con)
Lucas,
Ian
(Wrexham) (Lab)
Oaten,
Mr. Mark
(Winchester)
(LD)
Wilson,
Phil
(Sedgefield) (Lab)
Mark
Etherington, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Fourth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 10
June
2008
[Mr.
Martyn Jones in the
Chair]
Draft Extradition Act 2003 (Amendment to Designations) Order 2008
4.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department (Meg
Hillier): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Extradition Act 2003
(Amendment to Designations) Order
2008.
It
is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Jones.
We are here to talk about the Extradition Act 2003, which streamlined
and modernised the UKs extradition relations with the rest of
the world. It came into effect on 1 January 2004. Today, in an effort
further to improve international co-operation, we are seeking to add
the United Arab Emirates to the schedule of territories designated
under part 2 of the Act as extradition
partners.
Our
concern is the further secondary legislation required to amend the
Extradition Act 2003 (Designation of Part 2 Territories) Order 2003.
The instrument affects the UKs extradition arrangements with
the United Arab Emirates. It reflects the fact that the UK and the UAE
signed a bilateral extradition treaty on 6 December 2006 and, earlier
this year, exchanged instruments of ratification. Designation of the
United Arab Emirates as a category 2 territory will enable the
advantages of the treaty to be given full effect in the UK. The
extradition treaty between the UK and the UAE was signed by the then
Home Secretary and the UAE Minister of Justice in December 2006. It was
one of a package of measures designed to increase co-operation between
the law enforcement agencies of our two countries. Besides the
extradition treaty, we have also concluded a treaty on mutual legal
assistance in criminal matters and a treaty on judicial co-operation in
civil and commercial matters. Clearly, we are here today to debate the
first
treaty.
The
extradition treaty allows extradition to be requested for any offence
that attracts a maximum penalty of at least 12 months
imprisonment in both the UK and the United Arab Emirates. The
evidential requirements set out in the treaty mean that both the United
Kingdom and the UAE must provide a prima facie evidential case against
any person that they wish to extradite. There are currently no formal
extradition arrangements between the UK and the United Arab Emirates,
outside a number of international conventions to which we are both
party and which deal with a limited number of specific offences,
concerned mainly with serious criminal conduct such as terrorism or
drug
smuggling.
The
introduction of a formal basis for extradition for conduct covered by
the bilateral extradition treaty will lead to a far more efficient and
effective process for extradition between our two countries. That is
preferable to relying on the ad hoc provisions in domestic extradition
law for the many serious offences such as murder and
rape that do not fall under the international conventions that I
mentioned. One of the advantages of the new arrangements is that they
will dramatically improve our ability to achieve justice for British
victims of serious crimes, which I am sure all hon. Members would wish
to see. The extradition treaty between the UK and the United Arab
Emirates will provide both Governments with a sound formal framework
for future co-operation. It is worth stressing the UAEs role as
a key partner for the UK in our work on tackling financial crime and
counter-terrorism. Given the main business in the House, it is rather
appropriate that we are discussing the measure
today.
We
are clear, as a Government, that we will not allow criminals who evade
our borders to escape justice. We are committed to assisting our
international partners in doing the same. I invite the Committee to
agree that the amendments are necessary, in order to ensure that the UK
is able to comply with its obligations under the bilateral extradition
treaty with the United Arab Emirates. That is what the order seeks to
achieve. I urge the Committee to support
it.
4.34
pm
James
Brokenshire (Hornchurch) (Con): It is a pleasure to work
under your chairmanship this afternoon, Mr.
Jones.
The
statutory instrument before us, as the Minister explained, is fairly
narrow, adding the United Arab Emirates to the list of category 2
designated countries under the Extradition Act 2003. That is the
fast-track extradition approach, on which there has been some wider and
more general debateabout its appropriateness, its efficacy and
the need for further review and examination. I do not intend to go into
that wider debate today. I do not think that it would be in order, and
the general arguments are more appropriately dealt with in a wider
forum. However, there are a number of points that I hope the Committee
will consider and to which the Minister will
respond.
It
is important that we foster closer diplomatic ties. I welcome the
arrangements, connections and strengthening of relations with the
United Arab Emirates, and I recognise our need to strengthen and
develop those relationships in other parts of that region as well, in
terms of ensuring that people are brought to justice in this country,
that we ensure that the victims of crime are appropriately supported,
and that there can be a sense of justice being
done.
The
order gives effect to the extradition treaty, which the Government
signed with the UAE on 6 December 2006, and which came into effect on 2
April 2008. It allows extradition in circumstances where an offence is
punishable under the laws of both the United Kingdom and the UAE, by
the deprivation of liberty for a period of at least one year, or by a
more severe penalty, or where the accused has been convicted of such an
offence and has been sentenced to a period of at least six months.
There are certain provisions as to the way in which that would operate,
which are defined in greater detail in the treaty, and the Act
prescribes certain operational arrangements. I hope that the Minister
can explain some of those practical effects in somewhat
greater
detail.
Article
4(1)(e) of the treaty prevents extradition that would breach the human
rights of the accused. In that context, can the Minister confirm what
advice she has
received on the applicability of human rights protections in the context
of extended detention in custody, for example? The US State
Departments annual human rights report suggests that extended
detention and incommunicado detention remain problems, and that current
law permits indefinite routine incommunicado detention without appeal.
What assurances has the Minister received from the UAE authorities on
extended detention in the context of potential extradition
requests?
I
also understand that corporal punishment remains operative in the UAE
for a number of offences. Can the Minister confirm whether the
potential use of flogging would be considered as potential grounds for
refusal of a request for extradition under article
4(1)(e)?
Can
the Minister also comment on the separation of powers between the
judiciary and the Executive in the UAE, in terms of how that would
operatethe requests that are received from the Executive, and
the standards of proof and the evidential side, which are important?
The US State Department has suggested that there is no functional
separation between the Executive and judicial branches. Can the
Minister comment on the British Governments view on that, and
whether that issue should be considered in the context of these new
extradition
arrangements?
Whilst
the Foreign Office website notes that the UAE has a relatively good
human rights record, sharia law is not applied comprehensively, and
death sentences and amputations are rarely carried out. Article 6 of
the treaty includes specific provision on capital punishment. Can the
Minister confirm what legal advice she has received on the
effectiveness of this provision contained within the treaty, as well,
obviously, as its interrelationship with the separate provisions that
exist in relation to human rights legislation, and the ability of the
United Kingdom Government to refuse their consent under article
4(1)(e), and whether the death penalty provisions are therefore thought
to be robust in that context in terms of assurances that may have been
given by the UAE
authorities?
More
generally, can the Minister confirm whether the Government have
concluded any memorandum of understanding with the UAE concerning the
potential application of punishments that might be regarded or
considered as cruel or unusual under human rights legislation, as well
as what legal advice she has received on the effectiveness of any such
memorandum of understanding in the context of any extradition
requests?
Article
7(3)(a) of the treaty states that for a request for extradition to be
effective, the requesting party would need to provide such evidence as
would justify committal for trial under the laws of the requesting
party. As the Minister indicated, in this country that would mean that
a prima facie case would need to be shown. Can she confirm that the
same procedure applies in the UAE, which obviously has a different
judicial process for committal for trial? There is an assumption of
prima facie evidence being required to justify it on our side. In other
words, does the order mean that there is broad equivalence, or is it
easier for the UAE to secure the deportation of British nationals from
this country than it would be for us to make a request in the other
direction, as we have seen in previous treaties that the Government
signed up to?
Can the
Minister also confirm that the UAE has not been specifically designated
pursuant to section 71(4) of the 2003 Act? Section 71 is about the
requirement for evidence to be produced to a judge to justify the issue
of an arrest warrant. Section 71(4) allows the requirement to be
downgraded to providing merely information rather than evidence if so
ordered by the Secretary of State. Can the Minister confirm that that
is not the case in relation to the UAE, and that the Government have no
present intention subsequently to designate the UAE for the purposes of
section
71(4)?
I
hope that the Minister will be able to respond to those points, which I
acknowledge are points of detail but which are important for a proper
understanding of the operation and practical impact of the order.
Clearly, it is important that we strengthen our ties and relationships
so that we can promote the strength of criminal justice in this country
and bring to justice those who commit crimes against people living in
this country, but we need to understand the import, effect and
application of the provisions, and to feel assured that the concerns
that have been expressed in certain quarters outside this House have
been considered and are properly reflected and addressed in the
order.
4.42
pm
Mr.
Mark Oaten (Winchester) (LD): As the hon. Member for
Hornchurch has eloquently dealt with most of the key issues, I shall
not detain the Committee, other than to make three or four brief
observations. I agree with the comments about the importance of
diplomatic relations with the UAE. I was lucky enough to visit Dubai
and Abu Dhabi a few years ago and had meetings there that indicated to
me just how positive the political leaders in that part of the world
were about playing their part to help this country in particular to
tackle terrorism. I welcome close relations with them. With that in
mind, I give a cautious welcome to the
order.
I
have two or three quick questions for the Minister. Is she in a
position to estimate how many cases would be likely to be involved,
based on previous history? The second question relates to the comments
of the hon. Member for Hornchurch about the independence of the
judiciary. In the discussions that led up to the signing of the
ratification instruments, was the issue of political interference with
courts specifically raised with the
UAE?
The
third and final point relates to a general concern one has, having
approved such measures in the past, and that is the ability to test and
monitor whether agreements that have been put in place are indeed being
kept. What level of independent monitoring can we have, and what use
will the Government make of organisations such as Human Rights Watch
and
Amnesty?
4.43
pm
Meg
Hillier: I am delighted that the hon. Member for
Hornchurch, whose comments I shall refer to first, is so supportive of
the steps that we have taken towards improving relationships with the
UAE, in particular signing the treaty. However, I beg to differ with
him on the suggestion that we have a fast-track approach in the treaty.
It is a requirement for both countries to establish prima facie
evidence. I do not think that that is particularly fast-tracked. The
evidence has to be gathered. The
order simply streamlines the relations and issues that we have had to
deal with in the past through other complex international agreements.
The order streamlines, rather than fast-tracksit is important
to make that
distinction.
The
hon. Gentleman raised several points. On the human rights aspects, the
treaty laid out clearly that if human rights were at risk of being
breached, we would be entitled to not extradite somebody, having had
good precedents for that in other similar treaties. Similarly, the
issue of flogging comes under that assurance. On the issue of death
penalty provisions and guarantees, I am content with the advice that I
have received. As I have mentioned, all of those issues come under the
general human rights banner and the protection of human rights, which
is acceptable. The agreement that we have reached is not uncommon; we
have reached such agreements with other states
too.
James
Brokenshire: The point that I was seeking to make was
about the testing or effectiveness of assurances in a situation where
an informal assurance had perhaps been given by the UAE or the relevant
state, and whether that is sufficient justification. On the basis of
the legal advice that the Minister has received, if an assurance was
given, would she be content to allow an extradition to take place in
those circumstances and would she be content that that could not be
challengeable or challenged or overturned by the
courts?
Meg
Hillier: I am happy to reassure the hon. Gentleman that I
am content that the necessary assurances are in place. It is not
uncommon for us to have assurances with other countries. We have an
extradition treaty with the United States, for example, where in some
states there is the death penalty and where we have guarantees. We have
a number of international mechanisms for monitoring a situation, but we
have no reason to believe that the UAE would break the treatyit
has been signed by both sides. That brings me to the point about the
UAE approach to prima facie evidence and the broad equivalence. It is a
treaty in both directions: both countries have to provide prima facie
evidence in order for an extradition to take place. Under section
71(4), regarding arrest warrants there is no present intention to
designate. The UAE would have to demonstrate a prima facie case, as I
mentioned.
James
Brokenshire: I am grateful for the Ministers
reply. The point that I was seeking to make is that the treaty states
in article 7(3)(a) that each party would have to show such evidence as
would justify committal for trial under the laws of the requested
party. I want to probe a little further, because while I understand
that that means that a prima facie case would be required for committal
in this country, I seek complete clarification that that same system
would apply in the UAE and that, therefore, for committal to take
place, a court would need to be satisfied in the UAE that a prima facie
case had been made.
Meg
Hillier: I am happy to reassure the hon. Gentleman. If he
would like further information about the UAEs legal approach, I
am happy to write to him with further detail, but I hope that my
assurance is enough for
him.
James
Brokenshire indicated
assent.
Meg
Hillier: I turn to the comments by the hon. Member for
Winchester. I also welcome his support. It is perhaps more cautious,
but I am sure that our friends in the UAE will be pleased to hear
cross-party support for our improving Government relationships with
their country. He asked for an estimate of the number of cases. I
cannot give an estimateit is impossible to say how often the
measure would apply, but it is important that it is in place for the
eventualities where it may be necessary. It is important to protect our
citizens from people from the UAE who may have committed a crime
against them, and equally, the other way round; I do not think that
British citizens should get away with a crime committed in a partner
country.
On monitoring
agreements we have in place a number of international mechanisms, not
least our own Foreign and Commonwealth Office. Equally, we
have representations from some of the groups that the hon. Gentleman
mentioned. At the Home Office we always take on board evidence. We
listen to that evidence and then take appropriate action.
I am pleased
to hear the debate and I am glad that there is such cross-party
agreement.
Question
put and agreed
to.
Resolved,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Extradition Act 2003
(Amendment to Designations) Order
2008.
Committee
rose at eleven minutes to Five
oclock.