The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Bellingham,
Mr. Henry
(North-West Norfolk)
(Con)
Blunkett,
Mr. David
(Sheffield, Brightside)
(Lab)
Carswell,
Mr. Douglas
(Harwich)
(Con)
Cawsey,
Mr. Ian
(Brigg and Goole)
(Lab)
Dunne,
Mr. Philip
(Ludlow)
(Con)
Eagle,
Maria
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for
Justice)
Farrelly,
Paul
(Newcastle-under-Lyme)
(Lab)
Hall,
Mr. Mike
(Weaver Vale)
(Lab)
Hemming,
John
(Birmingham, Yardley)
(LD)
Hesford,
Stephen
(Wirral, West)
(Lab)
Howarth,
David
(Cambridge)
(LD)
Kemp,
Mr. Fraser
(Houghton and Washington, East)
(Lab)
Lucas,
Ian
(Wrexham) (Lab)
Shepherd,
Mr. Richard
(Aldridge-Brownhills)
(Con)
Soames,
Mr. Nicholas
(Mid-Sussex)
(Con)
Soulsby,
Sir Peter
(Leicester, South)
(Lab)
Celia Blacklock, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Fifth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Wednesday 29
October
2008
[John
Bercow in the
Chair]
Draft Judicial Appointments Order 2008
2.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice (Maria
Eagle): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Judicial Appointments Order
2008.
It
is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship again, Mr.
Bercow. [Interruption.] Given the strictures I
have just heard, I will rely on you to wave at me so I can stop at the
appropriate
time.
The
order is made in exercise of the powers conferred by section 51 of the
Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007 and section 7(6A) and (6B)
of the Social Security Act 1998, and relates to the eligibility of
fellows of the Institute of Legal Executives, registered patent
attorneys and registered trade mark attorneys for specified judicial
appointments. The instrument enables the Government to effect the
provisions in the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007, which
widen the pool of candidates eligible for judicial office. The Ministry
of Justice is currently implementing sections 50 to 52 of that Act,
which change the eligibility requirement for judicial office in three
key ways.
First, they
introduce a new judicial appointment eligibility condition. In the
past, individuals were usually eligible for judicial
appointmentsome of us will remember thisif they held
rights of audience for a specified period. There was no requirement
that they should have practised in law or gained any relevant
experience. That has now changed, so that individuals wishing to apply
must satisfy the judicial appointments condition. That means they must
hold a relevant qualification and be able to show evidence of
post-qualification legal experience.
For these
purposes, a relevant qualification is held by someone who is a
solicitor or barrister, or who holds a qualification specified under
the order-making power in section 51 of the Tribunals, Courts and
Enforcement Act 2007. That change came into force on 21 July this year.
It supports quality in the judicial system and our judicial
appointments by ensuring that all those applying for judicial office
have some relevant experience in the
law.
Secondly,
the Act reduced the number of years post-qualification
experience required for judicial office from 10 and seven years to
seven and five years respectively, depending on the appointment, by
amending the relevant pieces of legislation providing for judicial
appointments. The change opens up judicial appointments to a wider
range of individuals than were previously eligible, which is where
diversity comes in. That also came into force on 21 July this
year.
The
third change to judicial eligibility is set out in the order. The
order-making power enables the Lord Chancellor to extend eligibility to
holders of qualifications issued
by the Institute of Legal Executives and to holders of other
qualifications issued by authorised bodies under the Legal Services Act
1990 in relation to judicial officers specified in the order. The
Institute of Trade Mark Attorneys and the Chartered Institute of Patent
Attorneys are authorised bodies for these purposes. Qualifications
specified under this power will be relevant qualifications for the
purposes of the judicial eligibility condition, to which I have just
referred.
The
order gives effect to those powers. It sets out which posts fellows of
the Institute of Legal Executives, registered trade mark attorneys and
registered patent attorneys will be able to apply for. The key purpose
of the package is to support diversity by widening the range of people
who are eligible for judicial appointment and to ensure that all those
with the requisite qualifications, skills and experience can
apply.
One of the
Governments key objectives is to increase public confidence in
the justice system and one way to achieve that is to have a judiciary
that better reflects the society it serves. Women are under-represented
in the judiciary, and make up less than 20 per cent. of the court
judiciary in England and Wales. By comparison, women account for 51.3
per cent. of the population. Similarly, 7.9 per cent. of the UK
population as a whole are from black and ethnic minority backgrounds,
but only 4 per cent. of the English and Welsh judiciary fall into this
category.
It
is essential that we take steps where we can to ensure that we recruit
judges from the widest possible pool of talent available, and that is
what those sections of the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007
seek to achieve. I shall briefly describe the roles of the different
legal practitioners and the range of skills and experience that they
will bring to judicial office to convince the Committee that we are not
watering down or undermining the quality of candidates in any
way.
To take legal
executives first, only fellows of ILEX may describe themselves as legal
executives. They are qualified lawyers who specialise in a particular
area of law. Practitioners must pass the ILEX professional
qualification in law in an area of legal practice to the same level as
that required of solicitors. To be allowed to call themselves legal
executives, members must spend at least five years working under the
supervision of a solicitor in legal practice, or in the legal
department of a private company, or in local or national
Government.
Trade
mark attorneys are qualified legal professionals who specialise in
national and international trade mark law. To be registered with the
institute, members must pass examinations in the legal procedures
regarding trade mark law not only in the UK, but in more than
20 foreign countries. Members of the institute must
undertake continuing professional development to ensure that their
knowledge of legal developments is up to
date.
Patent
attorneys have particular expertise in the field of intellectual
property. They work to obtain and enforce intellectual property rights.
All patent attorneys require a scientific or technical background,
followed by practical legal training in a patent attorneys
office alongside their academic studies. To be a registered patent
attorney, registration with the Chartered Institute of Patent Attorneys
is compulsory and involves passing its examinations and completing a
set training period.
I hope it is
clear from those descriptions that there is potentially a great wealth
of talent within those three professions that could be of benefit to
our judiciary. It was considered that the current eligibility criteria
were too limiting, as they were based on the assumption that only
qualified solicitors or barristers would be able to demonstrate the
qualities and abilities required of a judicial office holder. Once the
statutory instrument is made, other legal professionals will have the
opportunity to compete for judicial posts on the same terms as
solicitors and
barristers.
The
statutory instrument sets out which posts the fellows of ILEX,
registered patent attorneys and registered trade mark attorneys will be
eligible to apply for. A guiding principle that has shaped the content
of the statutory instrument is that fellows of ILEX and others should
be eligible for more junior-level judicial posts in the first instance.
Those are defined as posts roughly analogous to district-judge level,
first-tier tribunal posts or posts requiring five years of
post-qualification experience. That was considered to be an appropriate
level in the first instance, and gives the changes time to bed
in.
The
Lord Chancellor has the power to make further orders, should he
consider it appropriate, to expand the list of qualifications and posts
set out in the statutory instrument. For example, if fellows of ILEX
compete successfully alongside barristers and solicitors for judicial
posts, the Lord Chancellor may consider it appropriate to extend the
list. At every stage of this process, the Ministry of Justice has
worked with others to ensure that the list of posts is appropriate. A
project board was set up to draft the statutory instrument and
implement the related sections of the 2007 Act. The board consisted of
representatives from the Ministry of Justice, the Judicial Office, the
Judicial Appointments Commission, the Tribunals Service and the
Judicial Studies Board. A full public consultation took place from 5
February to 29 April. A wide range of stakeholders has been consulted,
including the Lord Chief Justice, the Judicial Appointments Commission,
the Law Society, the Bar Council, ILEX, the Chartered Institute of
Patent Attorneys and others. We also contacted groups that represent
particular diversity interests in the legal and judicial professions,
and a full list has been published on the Ministry of Justice
website.
I
hope that I have convinced the Committee that these changes, small
though they may appear, can be an important part of extending the
diversity of judicial appointments, while the quality in the judiciary
that this country is so rightly known for is
maintained.
2.39
pm
Mr.
Henry Bellingham (North-West Norfolk) (Con): It is a
pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Bercow. I
thank the Minister for her clear presentation, and I declare an
interest as a
barrister.
The
Opposition supported the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Bill, which
is now an Act. We strongly supported parts 1 and 2we were less
supportive of part 3, which does not affect these proceedingsso
we support the statutory instrument. I endorse what the Minister said
about the Institute of Legal Executives, the Chartered Institute of
Patent Attorneys and the Institute of Trade Mark Attorneys. I have met
those organisations, and can vouch for what she said: the people in
those organisations are of a very high calibre.
As she pointed out, although members of ILEX are not qualified
solicitors or barristers, they have qualified as lawyers, and many of
them have a huge amount of practical experience. It always struck me as
perverse that they were not eligible for some of the more junior
judicial appointments, which is why we supported that part of the
Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Bill.
I agree with
the Minister that it is important to broaden the pool of potential
applicants for judicial appointments, particularly at a time when
lawyers at the top of their profession are earning more and
moreit sounds strange to mention that at a time when the
economy is nose diving into recession. Unfortunately, there are drivers
that prevent people from going into the judiciary, and it is important
to broaden the pool and, in particular, to encourage more women to
apply for these appointments. We strongly support the measure, although
we were not particularly happy at the time about the change in the
eligibility requirements for post-qualification experience. The
Minister mentioned the reduction from 10 and seven years of experience,
to seven and five. Perhaps the Ministry of Justice could look at that
again to see how it works in practice.
The Minister
mentioned consultation, but I see in the explanatory notes that there
was no media or public interest in this important initiative. I am
surprised that the trade press did not pick up on this; it is a
significant step forward for the profession and the organisations in
question. The statutory instrument will enable members of the
profession to apply for an important selection of judicial appointments
for the first time, and I am surprised that the Department did not do
more to promote the merits of that initiative. I also note what the
Minister said about wider consultation, and in particular, the views of
the president of ILEX, who expressed disappointment that the
eligibility rules will not come into force until 2010. I do not
understand why that is the case, so perhaps she would explain why in
more detail.
The CBI has
been in contact with the official Opposition, as it was concerned about
ILEX fellows being eligible to serve on the Competition Appeal
Tribunal. I understand that the Ministry of Justice listened to those
concerns, as it thought that that tribunal required specific and
definite skills. Because some of the work was akin to that carried out
by more senior judges, it was decided not to include it on the list of
judicial appointments. To some extent, that applies to employment
tribunals, as the work can be technical and involved. The CBI expressed
reservations about including that judicial appointment on the list, so
perhaps the Minister could provide more information on that.
To some
extent this is a policy in transition. The Minister mentioned that the
Lord Chancellor might look at additional appointments at some stage in
future. What proposals does the Ministry of Justice have for reporting
back to the House on how the order is working? Will the Minister, or
the Lord Chancellor, make a statement or report to Parliament in a
years time? Does she plan to review the statutory instrument in
two years time, or whenever, and look at how the changes are
working and how broadening the pool of applicants for those traditional
posts has impacted on the ground? Will we attract greater talent, and
how will that new talent for those appointments perform? Will we look
at extending the measure further, although not until a
particular stage has been reached? On the basis of those questions, we
support the statutory instrument and thank the Minister for her clear
explanation.
2.44
pm
John
Hemming (Birmingham, Yardley) (LD): I am pleased to serve
under your chairmanship yet again, Mr. Bercow. The Liberal
Democrats, too, support the broadening of the pool of applicants to the
judiciary. My first question is about whether the filtering process for
that pool means that people have sufficient practical experience of the
activity. That is clearly the case for ILEX and the patent agents, so
we support the measure on that basis. I share the official
Oppositions request for an answer as to how we will review its
outcomes.
2.45
pm
Maria
Eagle: I hope to answer the points raised by members of
the Committee. First, the hon. Member for North-West Norfolk is
correctthere was some response. I do not wish to go through the
way in which we responded to every one of the comments on the
consultation, but he is quite right to say that we responded to the
views and concerns that were raised about the impact on the Competition
Appeal Tribunal. We thought that that was too senior a level of post to
open up, as the order deals with junior-level posts. It is quite right
that we made some changes to our original proposals as a result of the
consultation. It is generally a good thing to listen to the results of
consultations, and respond if appropriate.
The hon.
Gentleman asked why we should wait until 2010 on the question of
eligibility. It is quite normal for this level of posta
district judge-level postto require two years of post
qualification fee-paid experience so, in that sense, 2010 seemed right.
We always have to balance the requirement to open up the levels of
diversity and give more people a chance with the quite appropriate
concern for proper quality and levels of experience. This is simply a
balancing act, and we hope that 2010 is the right time to do this. One
can understand why ILEX might feel a bit disappointed, but there will
be a lot of opportunities coming up for fellows of ILEX over the next
couple of years to get involved in the kind of appointments that were
not open to them until now. We very much believe in evidence-based
policy making and ensuring that we check what goes on and look at the
impact of these changes. That plays into the point that the hon.
Gentleman raised about how we are going to report back, and it also
refers to the point that the hon. Member for Birmingham, Yardley made
in his short
contribution.
We
have undertaken to come back and review in two years time the
impact of the proposals on the extra bits of the legal profession that
we are opening up to judicial appointment, to see what the outcome is.
It is quite appropriate that we report those results to Parliament. One
would hope that that would enable us fully to understand the impact of
what we have done on increasing both diversity and quality. I do not
expect to see the quality of our judiciary falter in any way. I hope
that the hon. Gentleman is happy with that assurance and that the
Committee will feel able to support this statutory
instrument.
Question
put and agreed
to.
Committee
rose at thirteen minutes to Three
oclock.