The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Allen,
Mr. Graham
(Nottingham, North)
(Lab)
Blackman,
Liz
(Vice-Chamberlain of Her Majesty's
Household)
Drew,
Mr. David
(Stroud)
(Lab/Co-op)
Gilroy,
Linda
(Plymouth, Sutton)
(Lab/Co-op)
Goggins,
Paul
(Minister of State, Northern Ireland
Office)
Knight,
Mr. Greg
(East Yorkshire)
(Con)
Liddell-Grainger,
Mr. Ian
(Bridgwater)
(Con)
Linton,
Martin
(Battersea)
(Lab)
McDonnell,
Dr. Alasdair
(Belfast, South)
(SDLP)
Mactaggart,
Fiona
(Slough) (Lab)
Marris,
Rob
(Wolverhampton, South-West)
(Lab)
Morgan,
Julie
(Cardiff, North)
(Lab)
Reid,
Mr. Alan
(Argyll and Bute)
(LD)
Robertson,
Mr. Laurence
(Tewkesbury)
(Con)
Soulsby,
Sir Peter
(Leicester, South)
(Lab)
Watkinson,
Angela
(Upminster)
(Con)
Wilson,
Sammy
(East Antrim)
(DUP)
Celia Blacklock, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Sixth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Thursday 15
May
2008
[Mr.
Bill Olner
in the
Chair]
Draft Parliamentary Constituencies (Northern Ireland) Order 2008
8.55
am
The
Minister of State, Northern Ireland Office (Paul Goggins):
I beg to move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Parliamentary Constituencies
(Northern Ireland) Order
2008.
Welcome to the
Chair this morning, Mr. Olner.
The Boundary
Commission for Northern Ireland is responsible for reviewing the
number, names, designation and boundaries of Westminster parliamentary
constituencies in Northern Ireland. Reviews are carried out every eight
to 12 years. In September 2007, the boundary commission concluded its
fifth periodical report and submitted its recommendations to my right
hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. The report was
laid before Parliament on 31 March 2008 with this draft order in line
with the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986. It recommends that 18
constituencies should be retained for Northern Ireland with revisions
to the boundaries of 12 constituencies. The recommendations seek to
balance improvements in electoral equality with the preservation of
community identity, as required by the statutory rules for the
redistribution of
seats.
The
commissions proposals have been consulted on extensively. In
spring 2004, the commission published its provisional recommendations
as well as maps illustrating the proposed boundary changes. Those were
made available for public inspection at district council headquarters,
the electoral office and area electoral offices, public libraries and
the Northern Ireland offices of the Electoral Commission and the
boundary commission. As a result of that consultation, three public,
local inquiries were held, all of which took place in September 2005.
The commission has sought to keep faith with recommendations of the
local inquiries, and in doing so it has recognised the importance of
preserving established local
ties.
In
May 2006, the commission published its revised recommendations, which
recommended that Northern Ireland should have 18 constituencies with
revisions to the boundaries of 12 constituencies. Those
recommendations became the commissions final recommendations,
and my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State has accepted them. If
Parliament were to approve the order, any changes would take practical
effect at the next general
election.
In
conclusion, I am satisfied that the Northern Ireland parliamentary
boundary commission has carried out its statutory remit diligently and
that all affected parties have had the opportunity to consult the
commission and to raise any concerns. On that basis, I support the
recommendations of the commission, which form the basis of the order. I
commend the order to the Committee.
8.57
am
Mr.
Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury) (Con): I welcome you to
the Chair, Mr. Olner.
There is not
an awful lot to say about this order. I have spoken to one or two hon.
Members, and while everybody would like to see some changes, overall
the order has attracted general support. It always causes some
consternation when part of a constituency is moved, and sometimes it
takes a while for a constituency to settle downsome
constituencies never settle down, but that is the nature of attempting
to keep constituencies to a fairly standard size. Constituencies in
Northern Ireland are considerably smaller than those in Great Britain,
but I understand the difficulties in attempting to make them a standard
size. The order seems to have quite a bit of support across Northern
Ireland, so I will not seek to detain the
Committee.
8.58
am
Mr.
Alan Reid (Argyll and Bute) (LD): I, too, welcome you to
the Chair, Mr.
Olner.
The boundary
commission is an independent body, and I see no reason to challenge any
of its decisions. I will vote to approve the order
today.
8.59
am
Dr.
Alasdair McDonnell (Belfast, South) (SDLP): I want to make
some brief comments. I am concerned that few or none of the opinions
expressed in the original boundary proposals were taken into account.
We were told that the matter was not that important, that the boundary
changes were only temporary and that we would have a full review after
the review of local government boundaries.
I am
concerned about the lack of consistency. Some large constituencies have
been left large, while some medium constituencies have been reduced and
adjusted. That is fine in some ways, but it is inconsistent with large
constituencies being left untouched. I want to put the concerns in my
constituency on the record, because I have found it impossible to
connect with the boundary commission. Part of my constituency in
Dunmurry, which is naturally, socially and geographically part of
Belfast, South has been put into Belfast, West, and nobody can
understand why. Parts of Hillfoot in Belfast, East, with which the hon.
Member for East Antrim (Sammy Wilson) is familiar, have been put into
Belfast, South. That does not suit either of those communities, because
it disconnects them from their social and geographic
hinterland.
Having
made those points, I will let the matter rest, because I recognise the
need to make changes, but I hope that in future the boundary commission
will be more attentive to detail and more sympathetic to the views
expressed, because it is not satisfactory that the boundary commission
conducted a consultation that it totally
ignored.
9.1
am
Sammy
Wilson (East Antrim) (DUP): I, too, do not want to detain
the Committee. I thank the commission for its work. Having made
representations at two of the inquiries, I know how thoroughly the work
was done. I was not happy about some of the outcomes. My
constituency now stretches the distance between Belfast and Glasgow. I
have inherited some of the constituency of my party leader, my right
hon. Friend the Member for North Antrim (Rev. Ian Paisley), including
more of the glens of Antrim, which are picturesque and which I shall
enjoy riding around on my motorbike to visit constituentsI call
it work. Some of the decisions have made some of the constituencies
more difficult to manage. However, there is a need to equalise the
constituencies given new developments, population movements and growth
in various towns. The numbers are out of kilter, and there is a need
for rationalisation. Like the hon. Member for Belfast, South, I could
quibble with some of the decisions at the margins, but the commission
has done a good job, and I therefore support the
order.
9.2
am
Paul
Goggins:
I thank the hon. Members for Tewkesbury and for
Argyll and Bute for their welcome for the order and for recognising
that the process is independent and thorough. Extensive consultation
has taken place. As the hon. Member for Tewkesbury has said, individual
constituencies are affected in different ways, which has been reflected
in the comments made by my hon. Friend the Member for Belfast, South
and the hon. Member for East Antrim.
The key objective is to balance
electorate equality with a recognition of community links and ties,
which is a difficult task. My hon. Friend the Member for Belfast, South
has put on the record his thoughts and feelings about how the balance
has been struck in his constituency. He has said that the order is a
temporary
arrangement, which is not the case. The order is a permanent
arrangement. Another process is just beginning to get under way in
Northern Ireland to review public administration, which will involve
the introduction of 11 councils rather than 26. The review will go on
for some time, and we have agreed to cancel the local elections in 2009
and put them back until 2011 to accommodate that process. When the
process is complete, the boundary commission will re-examine whether
the creation of 11 councils has had an impact on parliamentary
boundaries. It may exceptionally hold an interim reviewit would
be an exceptional stepbut that is its judgment after that local
process has been completed. The order is not temporary in any sense; it
is permanent. It is the balanced judgment of the commission after
extensive inquiries.
I
was interested in the comments by the hon. Member for East Antrim, who
enjoys motorcycling around his constituency. This morning, all roads
seem to lead to Glasgow, from my own fair city of Manchester in
particular.
We know
that the commission faces a difficult task in balancing electoral
equality with community links and ties, and I am content that it has
done a thorough job. It has listened to the representations, and I
commend the order to the Committee.
Question put and agreed
to.
Resolved,
That the Committee has
considered the draft Parliamentary Constituencies (Northern Ireland)
Order
2008.
Committee
rose at five minutes past Nine
oclock.