The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Eric
Martlew
Baron,
Mr. John
(Billericay)
(Con)
Corbyn,
Jeremy
(Islington, North)
(Lab)
Drew,
Mr. David
(Stroud)
(Lab/Co-op)
Fisher,
Mark
(Stoke-on-Trent, Central)
(Lab)
Hall,
Patrick
(Bedford)
(Lab)
Hendry,
Charles
(Wealden)
(Con)
Horwood,
Martin
(Cheltenham)
(LD)
Maclean,
David
(Penrith and The Border)
(Con)
Moran,
Margaret
(Luton, South)
(Lab)
Ottaway,
Richard
(Croydon, South)
(Con)
Palmer,
Dr. Nick
(Broxtowe)
(Lab)
Penrose,
John
(Weston-super-Mare)
(Con)
Seabeck,
Alison
(Plymouth, Devonport)
(Lab)
Strang,
Dr. Gavin
(Edinburgh, East)
(Lab)
Webb,
Steve
(Northavon)
(LD)
Wicks,
Malcolm
(Minister for
Energy)Glenn McKee,
Committee Clerk
attended
the Committee
Sixth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 1
July
2008
[Mr.
Eric Martlew in the
Chair]
Draft Climate Change and Sustainable Energy Act 2006 (Sources of Energy and Technologies) Order 2008
4.30
pm
The
Minister for Energy (Malcolm Wicks): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Climate Change and Sustainable
Energy Act 2006 (Sources of Energy and Technologies) Order
2008.
It
is a privilege to serve under your chairmanship, Mr.
Martlew. To set the context with something we are familiar with, the
Government are fully committed to a major expansion of renewables and
low-carbon technologies as part of the UKs diverse energy mix.
I hardly need remind hon. Members of the urgency of tackling climate
change, and of the need for energy security through distributed energy
and other means, as well as the potential of renewables in tackling
fuel poverty. These are both challenges and opportunities which can
also secure business, employment and innovation benefits.
Low-carbon
and renewable energy from microgeneration can play an important role in
meeting our EU 2020 targets. As hon. Members will know, last week we
launched the renewable energy strategy consultation. This will define
our policy going forward, culminating in our final renewable energy
strategy in spring 2009 once the EU renewables directive has been
agreed. Being able to generate low-carbon or renewable energy locally,
even in our own homes, is good for the environment as well as for our
economy.
Through this
statutory instrument, the Government seek to expand the definition of
microgeneration to clarify it in relation to some of those energy
sources already recognised as microgeneration and to amend the legal
framework within which development and possible future technologies can
be encouraged. The Government therefore seek to expand the major
statutory definition of microgeneration to include technologies that
wholly or mainly rely on
heat from air,
water or the ground.
This is in some senses,
therefore, a technical measure, although I think it is an important
one.
The
background to this statutory instrument is a recognition in recent
months by the Government, and in particular by my hon. Friend the
Member for Stroud, that the statutory definition of microgeneration
requires expansion. I congratulate my hon. Friend on highlighting this
important issue in his Microgeneration Definition (Amendment) Bill,
which sought to include air as a source of energy for
microgeneration.
In
fact, the Government were in the process of consulting on this issue.
The main reason for seeking to amend the definition is the development
and availability of air
source heat pumps since the list was originally drawn up. In plainer
English, we liked my hon. Friends Bill so much, we thought we
would have it for
ourselves.
The
term microgeneration defines energy technologies that
are either low-carbon or renewable and which produce heat and
electricity: roof-mounted photovoltaic panels and small and micro wind
turbines are increasingly common. There are also micro combined heat
and power units, micro hydro technologies, domestic biomass generators
and various kinds of heat pumps. The list of sources and technologies
is in section 26(2) of the Climate Change and Sustainable Energy Act
2006, and section 26(4) of the Act provides that section 26(2) may be
amended by adding to the list of sources of energy and technologies
when the Secretary of State considers that the use of that source of
energy or technology would cut emissions of greenhouse gases in Great
Britain. The Secretary of State considers that the use of heat from
air, water or the ground would cut emissions of greenhouse gases in
this country and should therefore be included in the
definition.
The Energy
Act 2004 also provides a statutory definition of microgeneration for
the purposes of the Act, which is also relied upon in the Income Tax
(Trading and Other Income) Act 2005, the Taxation of Chargeable Gains
Act 1992 and, as I am sure hon. Members know, the Town and Country
Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 1995, and also of course
some sections within the Climate Change and Sustainable Energy Act
2006. I think the hon. Member for Northavon is about to remind me of an
Act I have forgotten.
Steve
Webb (Northavon) (LD): On the Town and Country Planning
Act, the Minister used the phrase permitted
development. Will he flesh out for us whether, by approving
this statutory instrument, we are making it easier for people to get
planning permission to install air source heat pumps and so on? What
are we doing by including this on the list from the point of view of
town and country planning and permitted
development?
Malcolm
Wicks: The Department for Communities and Local Government
has recentlyif the hon. Gentleman will pardon the
expressionliberalised its approach to these matters, and has
made it far easier for people to have microgeneration in their own
dwellings. That is not a general provision. There are still some
developments awaiting wind turbines, for example.
Externally
fitted air source heat pumps can emit a noise like that from a
ventilation unit. For this reason, they were not covered, unlike other
microgeneration technologies, by general permitted development orders
from 6 April, nor were wind turbines. They await development. Work is
going on to link them to MCSs. Obviously, I could tell hon. Gentlemen
what MCSs are, should they so wish, but later on.
For the
purposes of permitted planning, MCS imposes certain restrictions and
standards. Work to bring forward permitted development for ASHPs is
unlikely to be completed before this autumn. Once permitted development
for ASHPs is in place, installations that do not use MCS products and
installers may go ahead but such installations will have to get
planning permission. MCSs are micro-certificate
schemes.
Jeremy
Corbyn (Islington, North) (Lab): Will the Minister give
way?
Malcolm
Wicks: In a
moment.
The
upshot of that is that the Department for Communities and Local
Government has now enabled a much easier regime for permitted
development for most microgeneration unitssolar planning and
photovoltaics, for examplebut because of some noise issues
which apparently affect this technology and may affect micro wind
turbines, there is still process going
through.
Jeremy
Corbyn: In terms of perceived or approved development, how
does this affect listed buildings, conservation areas and areas of
outstanding natural
beauty?
Malcolm
Wicks: In brief, the liberalisation in terms of permitted
development is for most dwellings but there are still restrictions when
it comes to houses or buildings of special heritage significance. It is
not a general position. If my hon. Friend is particularly interested, I
can write to him and put forward more details of the DCLG position. I
take it that the point my hon. Friend was raising was that this might
not always be appropriate.
Jeremy
Corbyn: I thank the Minister for that. So that he does not
have to write an extraordinarily long and over-detailed letter, my
concern is about wind generation on historic buildings and photovoltaic
cells, which I generally support, can be damaging to the visual impact
of historic buildings such as those with stone slates. I just hope
there is some degree of sensitivity being operated in that
respect.
Malcolm
Wicks: Indeed there is, which is why this Parliament is
not yet festooned with photovoltaics, as some enthusiasts would wish. I
can reassure my hon. Friend on that.
I mentioned
the Climate Change and Sustainable Energy Act 2006. I was about to say
that that definition is found in section 82(6) and (7) and is framed in
the same manner as the definition in the Climate Change and Sustainable
Energy Act 2006. Section 82(7) includes the same sources or
technologies as are currently in section 26(2) of the Climate Change
and Sustainable Energy Act 2006, but with an additional category,
namely under paragraph (j),
other sources
of energy and technologies for the generation of electricity or the
production of heat, the use of which would, in the opinion of the
Secretary of State, cut emissions of greenhouse gases in Great
Britain.
We
do not believe that this statutory instrument will affect the
definition of microgeneration in the Energy Act 2004. In accordance
with section 82(7)(j), the definition of microgeneration in that Act
can be read as including heat from the air, water or the
ground.
The heat
pump, to get to specifics, is a technology that transfers low-grade
heat energy from a medium such as ground, air or water, to another
location such as a building. That is achieved using a refrigeration
loop which compresses a refrigerant to a high temperature which
transfers heat to a heating distribution system. Ground source heat
pumps require coils in trenches dug in the surface of the earth to tap
into heat energy stored in the ground or they require boreholes into
the earth which may also draw to some extent on geothermal heat which
is, of course, planetary heat.
Air
source heat pumps work on similar principles, but are generally
regarded as less efficient than ground source heat pumps since the
ratio of heat-energy outputs to energy inputs is less. Instead of using
coils, a fan is exposed to air. The pump can be attached to the
exterior wall of a building, rather like a ventilation unit. Interior
air source heat pump units can be fitted in kitchens and may resemble a
domestic
fridge-freezer.
At
the time of passing the Climate Change and Sustainable Energy Act it
was the intention that the definition of microgeneration included
ground source heat pumps. However we feel that that was not as
clear-cut as it could be, so we are seeking to ensure that the issue is
beyond doubt and clarified that ground source heat pumps are likely to
use both planetary/geothermal and solar energy.
Geothermal generally refers to heat from planetary
sources. While this can be found near the surface in, say, Iceland, in
the UK it would require deep drilling, such as in an installation in
Southampton which has a borehole 1,800 m
deep.
Those
ground source heat pumps which do not require boreholes but trenches
draw on solar energy stored in the ground. Although solar energy is in
the current list, this generally refers to photovoltaic panels, for
example, which absorb their energy directly from the suns
light, rather than to solar-heat energy in the ground. Water source
heat pumps work on similar principles to other heat pumps, but use
coils submerged in water. The Government are seeking to put these
issues relating to heat pumps beyond doubt. We have consulted with
relevant Government Departments and industry, who fully support the
inclusion of the proposed amendment to the list. On that basis, I
commend this draft order to the
Committee.
4.42
pm
Charles
Hendry (Wealden) (Con): It is a pleasure indeed to serve
under your chairmanship this afternoon, Mr. Martlew. That
was a masterly explanation from the Minister of what this SI is about.
It is the first Statutory Instrument Committee that I have ever been to
where the speech was longer than the SI itself. It would clearly have
been longer still had it not been for the raft of abbreviations that he
brought in. I thought at one point he was going to give us a sentence
with no words whatsoever, just a series of abbreviations and numbers,
but it has been a very helpful introduction to this debate. I apologise
to the hon. Member for Stroud that I have not so far studied his
micro-definition amendment Bill, but it is clearly something that we
shall look at in more detail later on. Normally it is a Tory policy
which becomes Government policy, rather than the other way around, but
I can see you are urging us to address the details in front of us,
Mr.
Martlew.
I
think this is a very timely and appropriate change and we will be
supporting it. There are a couple of issues that we wish to explore a
little further. It is clearly desirable to give the Government more
general powers to amend in future, because this is an area in which the
technology is moving fast, where scarcely a month goes by without some
new development, and clearly it is in the interests of a rapid roll-out
of microgeneration that it should be as easily encompassed as possible
within the
regulations.
One
particularly interesting aspect is in solar with CIGScopper
indium gallium selenide technologywhich is going to be
profoundly impactful, reducing the cost
by around 90 per cent. It is not quite so efficient, but it will get
round many of the concerns about having PV cells on roofs and it could
be applied on the roof of this building without causing any
environmental impact damage. So there are technologies coming through
that are extremely exciting and it should be the approach of the
Government, and I am encouraged that it seems to be, that it should be
facilitating that as much as
possible.
It
is interesting that we are having this debate just a couple of weeks
after the Government have been setting out in detail how they believe
they can meet the EU targets. The Minister said, intriguingly, that
low-carbon technologies can help us meet those targets. My impression
is that these are renewable targets, not low-carbon targets. Would the
Minister clarify whether the targets are being broadened from the
energy that we will get only from renewables to energy we can get from
low carbon, because many of us think that may have to be an important
part of this whole process? Indeed, many of us feel that it is right
that the direction in which we are moving should be reducing carbon
rather than seeing only renewables as the right element in that
mix.
Perhaps
the Minister can also give us more detail about how the Government
envisage they can meet those targets because, to everybody outside,
they are incredibly challenging. Microgeneration clearly has an element
in it, but the Minister is not going to do that today, because it goes
beyond the remit of this particular statutory instrument. But we will
need clarity from the
Minister.