The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Baron,
Mr. John
(Billericay)
(Con)
Burt,
Lorely
(Solihull)
(LD)
Butler,
Ms Dawn
(Brent, South)
(Lab)
Caborn,
Mr. Richard
(Sheffield, Central)
(Lab)
Cormack,
Sir Patrick
(South Staffordshire)
(Con)
Cox,
Mr. Geoffrey
(Torridge and West Devon)
(Con)
Djanogly,
Mr. Jonathan
(Huntingdon)
(Con)
Drew,
Mr. David
(Stroud)
(Lab/Co-op)
McFadden,
Mr. Pat
(Minister for Employment Relations and Postal
Affairs)
McGovern,
Mr. Jim
(Dundee, West)
(Lab)
Meacher,
Mr. Michael
(Oldham, West and Royton)
(Lab)
Raynsford,
Mr. Nick
(Greenwich and Woolwich)
(Lab)
Seabeck,
Alison
(Plymouth, Devonport)
(Lab)
Teather,
Sarah
(Brent, East)
(LD)
Todd,
Mr. Mark
(South Derbyshire)
(Lab)
Yeo,
Mr. Tim
(South Suffolk)
(Con)
Annette Toft, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Sixth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday
15 July
2008
[David
Taylor in the
Chair]
Draft Maternity and Parental Leave etc. and the Paternity and Adoption Leave (Amendment) Regulations 2008
4.30
pm
The
Minister for Employment Relations and Postal Affairs (Mr.
Pat McFadden): I beg to move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Maternity and Parental Leave etc.
and the Paternity and Adoption Leave (Amendment) Regulations
2008.
It
is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship today, Mr.
Taylor. The regulations will provide employers and employees with
clarity regarding their respective obligations and rights during
additional maternity leave and additional adoption leavethat
is, the second six months of the 52 weeks leave available to
new parents. The amendments have become necessary following changes to
the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 in April this year. I will say more
about that in a moment. I shall first set out some of the context of
the changes and what we have achieved for families in recent
years.
We
know that families face real challenges in balancing home and work
life. Parents, of course, want to give their children the best start in
life, but they also want to balance their parental responsibilities
with their work responsibilities and careers. As time goes by, it is
likely that we will see an increasing number of men and women wishing
to take time out of the labour market to care for children, elderly
relatives or both. At the same time, business knows that to succeed it
must find, develop and keep the best people possible. Employers
recognise that helping employees to strike the right balance between
work and family life can enhance business
performance.
The
Government have a strong record in supporting working families. Our
extensions to maternity pay and leave, for example, are worth an extra
£3,000, compared with the system in 1997, to a mother taking
advantage of those rights. In addition, since 1997 we have doubled the
number of child care places and opened more than 2,900 Sure Start
childrens centres, such as St. Martins in Bradley, in
my constituency, where Lynne Law and her staff are working with local
parents to give children the best possible start in life. I am sure
that Members have examples of excellent Sure Start childrens
centres in their
constituencies.
Working
parents have benefited from improved maternity leave and pay, new
rights to paternity and adoption leave and the right to request
flexible working. We have also introduced measures to help employers
manage those relationships. As part of the Work and Families Act 2006,
we extended notice periods, giving employers more opportunity to plan
ahead if an employee takes such leave; introduced keeping in
touch days; and clarified that employers can make reasonable
contact with employees during maternity and adoption leave, which helps
communication and eases the return to work.
The
regulations before us clarify the non-pay contractual benefits that
women on additional maternity leave are entitled to and extend the
rights to adopters taking adoption leave. They have become necessary
following amendments to the 1975 Act in April. The amendments mean that
employers will no longer be able to treat employees taking additional
maternity leave less favourably than women on ordinary maternity leave
in respect of non-pay contractual
benefits.
The
regulations will come into force in October this year, given our
commitment to common commencement dates for new employment legislation.
They will apply to parents for whom the expected week of childbirth,
or placement in the case of adoption, is on or
after 5 October 2008. The 1975 Act amendments already made will
also apply to women whose babies are due from 5 October 2008. The
timing of the regulations matches that of the 1975 Act
changes.
The
regulations reflect a new requirement of the 1975 Act. They explicitly
extend into the period of additional maternity leave an
employees entitlement to benefit from the non-pay terms and
conditions of her employment during ordinary maternity leave. The
contractual benefits covered include the accrual of contractual annual
leave and the provision of a company car or mobile phone. Of course,
such benefits would be included only if they were already provided for
in the employees
contract.
Taken
with the changes to the 1975 Act, the regulations require that the full
52 weeks of maternity and adoption leave must be counted when assessing
how long an employee has worked for an employer. That can have
an impact on various benefits and rights. For example, an employer
cannot ignore the second 26 weeks of leave when calculating when a pay
rise is due or when an employee is entitled to additional contractual
annual leave. Now that the period for statutory maternity pay
and statutory adoption pay has been extended to 39 weeks, more
employees are taking at least some additional maternity or adoption
leave.
Adoption
leave is an important reform that was introduced some years ago, and it
is available to 4,000 adoptive parents a year. It is a valuable way of
allowing newly adopted children and adoptive parents to settle into
their new circumstances. Under the regulations, adopters and new
mothers taking advantage of the longer period of pay will no longer
have to wait longer than other colleagues to receive pay rises or
contractual non-pay benefits that may stop after 26
weeks.
In
line with our commitment to providing clear and helpful guidance to
accompany new legislation, we updated our maternity guidance in April
this year. Our Pregnancy and Work leaflet is
distributed to all pregnant women through a popular system of
bounty packs. That helpful publication includes a
tear-off portion for the womans employer so that both parties
have a shared understanding of the rights and responsibilities in such
situations. We have worked with other Departments to update guidance on
the Directgov and Business Link websites to provide high-quality
guidance for employees and
employers.
The
regulations bring the relevant maternity leave legislation into line
with the requirements of sex discrimination law and provide employees
and employers with the clarity that they need. That is important from
both points of view: employees must know what they are entitled to, and
employers must know what is expected
of them so that they can avoid expensive and time-consuming tribunal
cases. The regulations also ensure that adoption leave legislation
retains consistency with maternity leave legislation. I commend the
regulations to the
Committee.
4.38
pm
Mr.
Jonathan Djanogly (Huntingdon) (Con): As hon. Members will
appreciate, the regulations are not straightforward. Regulations 4 to 7
amend the Maternity and Parental Leave etc. Regulations 1999 to extend
the non-pay terms and conditions to which a woman is entitled during
ordinary maternity leave, which I shall call OML, to the period of
additional maternity leave, which I shall call AML. Regulations 8 to 10
amend the Paternity and Adoption Leave Regulations 2002 to extend the
non-pay terms and conditions to which a woman is entitled during
ordinary adoption leave, OAL, to the period of additional adoption
leave, AAL. Although the regulations will come into force the day after
they are made, the provisions will apply to the parents of children
expected to be born or placed for adoption on or after 5 October
2008.
As
the law stands, ordinary maternity leave lasts 26 weeks and
additional maternity leave lasts a further 26 weeks. All women can take
both OML and AML regardless of their length of service with their
current employer. During the ordinary period, their contractual
rightsany rights that apply to their workplace, such as a
company car or pensioncontinue as if they are still at work,
except for their normal pay. In contrast, during the additional part,
the employee continues to be an employee, but the only contractual
rights and obligations that persist are the notice period in the
contract of employment if either the employee or the employer wishes to
terminate the employment, redundancy pay, disciplinary and grievance
procedures, and exclusive retainer clauses, which constitute a
contractual obligation not to work for any other business.
It may,
however, be possible for the employee to negotiate with the employer
for other contractual rights to continue, but those are
undertakings outside the basic legislative framework and they do not
affect the employees statutory rights. All employees
are entitled to 20 days paid annual leave. Furthermore,
an employer must not discriminate by failing to consider an employee on
maternity leave for opportunities such as
promotion.
Adoption
leave allows one member of an adoptive couple to take paid time off
work when their new child starts to live with them. Paternity leave and
pay may be available for the other member of the couple or the
adopters partner. Adoption leave and paternity leave are
available whether the child is adopted from within the UK or from
overseas.
The
High Court order in Equal Opportunities Commission v. Secretary
of State for Trade and Industry in 2007 ruled that the Employment
Equality (Sex Discrimination Regulations) 2005 did not comply with the
requirements of European law. Consequently, the Sex Discrimination Act
1975 was amended by the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 (Amendment)
Regulations 2008. Those regulations included amendments on claims of
discrimination on grounds of maternity, which eliminate any distinction
between the types of claim that a woman can bring in
relation to the ordinary and the additional bits.
One result of
those recent amendments is that the 1975 Act now allows an employee on
AML to bring claims for discrimination in relation to any of the terms
and conditions of her employment, except those relating to pay. Thus a
woman may have a claim if she is not afforded the same benefits of the
terms and conditions of employmentexcept those relating to
payduring AML as she is during OML. The instrument therefore
aims to clarify the law with regard to terms and conditions of
employment that must continue during the additional bit, so that the
position is consistent with the 1975 Act, as
amended.
Whether
advertently or inadvertentlyI would be interested to hear the
Ministers views on thisit seems as though the
Government have created a ratchet effect in relation to the extra
rights. Corresponding changes are made in relation to any additional
adoption leave so that the adoption leave regime is consistent with the
maternity leave regime. As with the 1975 Act, the amended Act has no
impact on entitlement to terms and conditions relating to pay, as
defined by European Community law. Employers are therefore not obliged
to go beyond the obligations of the Social Security Act 1989, which
provides that pension contributions must continue during periods of
paid family leave.
The
regulations do not change that provision or extend pension rights
during unpaid additional maternity or adoption leave. The explanatory
notes
state:
It
is estimated that some 247,000 mothers take some additional maternity
leave and that approximately 173,000 are employees who would benefit
from the extension of entitlement to contractual non-pay benefits
during this
period.
Given
that it is recommended practice that at least one adoptive parent is
able to spend time at home with the child during the first few months
of placement, it is assumed that all will benefit from the extension of
entitlements during additional adoption leave. At present, relatively
few employees take additional maternity or adoption leave, but with the
recent extension of statutory pay to 39 weeks, leaving the last 13
weeks of maternity or adoption leave unpaid, it is anticipated that
more women will take at least some additional maternity or adoption
leave. Data from the 2005 maternity and paternity rights survey show
that in 2005 74 per cent. of women returned to and remained in
work.
All
employers in the public, private and voluntary sectors could be
significantly affected by the changes. They will all need to be aware
of the changes, familiarise themselves with them and make any
adjustments necessary to comply with the legislation. Will the Minister
please confirm how employers are to be informed of the new
requirements? The British Chambers of Commerce estimates that
Government regulation has cost UK business more than £65 billion
since 1998. There have been 14 new regulations every working day under
Labour. Are these another example of such regulations, and how do they
tie in with the Secretary of States recent claim that further
employment laws will not be
needed?
According
to the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform impact
assessment, the regulations will impose costs of over £162
million, for no financial benefit to the companies. Does the Minister
believe that, at a time of rapidly increasing economic difficulty, it
is right to add yet more regulations and costs to
businesses?
It is often
claimed that the bulk of the regulation under which UK business
struggles is derived from Europe. The Government, however, are well
known for their zealous application of European regulationsthe
so-called gold-plating effect. Will the Minister please explain why the
regulations are not another example of
that?
Many
small businesses cannot afford to employ an extra member of staff. How,
therefore, does the Minister believe that such businesses will be able
to afford to maintain the benefits and privileges due to a member of
staff on additional maternity leave, and hire another member of staff
to cover that
job?
Lastly,
but importantly, we need to remember that many of the positions left
empty through maternity leave will be taken up by temporary and agency
workers. Have the Government reviewed their impact assessment of the
regulations in the light of the recent and sudden policy U-turn on
agency worker equalisation
terms?
4.46
pm
Lorely
Burt (Solihull) (LD): I also welcome you to the Chair,
Mr. Taylor, for our important discussion this
afternoon.
The
hon. Member for Huntingdon said that the regulations are not
straightforward. After the exposition that he has just made, I can
begin to understand that. However, I do understand the intention of the
statutory instrument, which to my mind is pretty
straightforwardthe statutory non-pay rights of women on
ordinary maternity or adoption leave are to be extended to the
optional, additional 26 weeks that they are entitled to under extended
maternity leave rules. Similar rules, as we heard, exist for adoption
leave.
Many
women elect not to take that extended leave, and for good reasons.
First, unless they have a generous employer, for the first 26 weeks
they will be paid the statutory minimum wage of only £117.18 a
weekless than the national minimum wage, which we discussed so
thoroughly when debating the Employment Bill yesterday on the Floor of
the House of Commons. Secondly, taking time off in that way is
unpopular with employers, who have to cope with the absence of a woman
on maternity or adoption leave. A year away from the workplace is a
long time to hold her job open. Often, by the time she gets back,
things will have moved onher chances on the promotion ladder in
subsequent years will be less than for her colleagues who remained in
the
workplace.
Thirdly,
getting work in the first place is harder for women of child-bearing
age. Employers, particularly those in small businesses, often look
twice. Yesterday, the Recruitment and Employment
Confederation said that 78 per cent. of recruiters had been
asked by employers not to put forward women of child-bearing age. The
whole workplace culture discriminates against such a woman. I
can understand the REC being reluctant to shop its own
memberswhile leading them into the path of
enlightenmentbut what does the Minister intend to do to stop
that blatant flouting of the
law?
The
cost to business of implementing the non-pay benefits is estimated in
the impact assessment at £131.43 million for maternity
pay and £5.51 million for
adoption pay. That goes up a little more when length of service is taken
into account. That is not an inconsiderable amount of money,
particularly, as the hon. Member for Huntingdon said, in the current
difficult economic climate that business finds itself in. However, in
relation to the wage bill of many billions, the amount is quite small.
The key cost has already been met in the loss of a valued employee. I
do not underestimate the cost to businesses, but they should not be
allowed to flout the law in the way that seems to be happening at the
moment.
I
turn to the equality impact assessment. I am worried about equality for
men, as well as for women. Men have only two weeks paternity leave
compared with, potentially, 52 weeks for women. The rules are rigid.
Men have to take either one or two weeks off. They cannot take off odd
daysonly days together. They must give 28 days notice
when they want paternity pay to start and hope that the baby comes on
time, or have a crystal ball with which to predict the exact day, at
which point they will receive the princely sum of
£117.18less than the minimum wageunless their
employer is willing to be more generous. It is therefore little wonder
that only one fifth of men actually take their statutory two
weeks paternity leave
entitlement.
Only
yesterday, we heard Nicola Brewer of the Equality and Human Rights
Commission say that changes to maternity law meant that the mother had
become the parent who pays the career penalty for having the child.
However, the father pays a huge and unfair penalty, too. He has to
shoulder the economic burden for the family. He sees less of his child
because he is working hard to maintain the family economically. Britain
has the most unequal treatment between men and women in Europe. Will
the Government consider seriously greater equality between men and
women? Can maternity and paternity pay be given the generic title of
parental leave? Can the parents of the child decide between them who
takes on the caring
responsibility?
I
believe that the Government want equality between men and women, and
the most positive action that they could take right now is to equalise
the maternity and paternity legislation, as I have suggested. Will the
Minister at least agree to consider the
matter?
4.52
pm