The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Allen,
Mr. Graham
(Nottingham, North)
(Lab)
Baldry,
Tony
(Banbury) (Con)
Blackman,
Liz
(Vice-Chamberlain of Her Majesty's
Household)
Burden,
Richard
(Birmingham, Northfield)
(Lab)
Creagh,
Mary
(Wakefield)
(Lab)
Fraser,
Christopher
(South-West Norfolk)
(Con)
Goggins,
Paul
(Minister of State, Northern Ireland
Office)
Iddon,
Dr. Brian
(Bolton, South-East)
(Lab)
Lepper,
David
(Brighton, Pavilion)
(Lab/Co-op)
McGrady,
Mr. Eddie
(South Down)
(SDLP)
Marris,
Rob
(Wolverhampton, South-West)
(Lab)
Mitchell,
Mr. Austin
(Great Grimsby)
(Lab)
Moore,
Mr. Michael
(Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk)
(LD)
Soames,
Mr. Nicholas
(Mid-Sussex)
(Con)
Swire,
Mr. Hugo
(East Devon)
(Con)
Watkinson,
Angela
(Upminster)
(Con)
Hannah Weston, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
The following also
attended, pursuant to Standing Order No.
118(2):
Dodds,
Mr. Nigel
(Belfast, North)
(DUP)
Seventh
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Wednesday 25
June
2008
[Ann
Winterton in the
Chair]
Draft Representation of the People (Northern Ireland) Regulations 2008
2.30
pm
The
Minister of State, Northern Ireland Office (Paul Goggins):
I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Representation of the People
(Northern Ireland) Regulations
2008.
The
Chairman: With this it will be convenient to discuss the
draft Service Voters Registration Period (Northern Ireland)
Order
2008.
Paul
Goggins: I welcome you to the Chair for our proceedings
this afternoon, Lady
Winterton.
The
regulations set out the detailed procedures for voter registration in
Northern Ireland, and cover some technical aspects of the conduct of
parliamentary elections in Northern Ireland. The regulations
consolidate and replace the existing Representation of the People
(Northern Ireland) Regulations 2001, which have already been amended
several times. Although the consolidation exercise means that the
regulations before us are rather lengthythe Committee will have
seen their considerable lengthI am confident that they will
assist in simplifying the legislation, making it easier to use for all
those involved in the application and interpretation of electoral law
in Northern
Ireland.
Many
of the regulations before us simply replicate, in substance, the 2001
regulations, but there are some changes. For instance, the regulations
contain new provisions allowing for the implementation in Northern
Ireland of the changes to electoral administration contained in the
Electoral Administration Act 2006 and the Northern Ireland
(Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2006. The regulations will make
additional, technical changes, which have been requested by the chief
electoral officer for Northern Ireland, enabling him to fulfil his
registration objectives and assisting him in his duty to manage
elections in Northern Ireland
efficiently.
I
wish to draw the Committees attention to a few of the changes.
One relates to late registration. Members of the Committee will be
aware that, as a result of the anti-fraud measures operating in
Northern Ireland, the registration procedures differ from those
operating in the rest of the United Kingdom. Although the Electoral
Administration Act makes provision for voters to register up to 11 days
before polling days, the Northern Ireland (Miscellaneous Provisions)
Act requires those applying to register late in Northern Ireland to
provide additional supporting material with their application. The
chief electoral officer would simply not have the time at that stage in
the electoral cycle to make the necessary checks on applications that
he would normally, under the usual application process. Regulation 25
sets out the supporting
material that may be requested in order to process an application for
late registration. That material will enable the chief electoral
officer to verify the applicants date of birth, nationality,
address and that they have been resident in Northern Ireland for three
months prior to the application
date.
Another
change relates to identification. Unlike the rest of the United
Kingdom, voters in Northern Ireland are required to produce
photographic identification when voting in person. At present, the only
acceptable documents are a driving licence, passport, Translink senior
citizen travel pass or an electoral identity card, which is issued by
the Electoral Office for Northern Ireland. The proposals contained in
regulation 15 will extend the types of ID that may be used to include a
blind person travel pass and a war-disabled travel pass issued by
Translink. Both passes meet the same fraud-prevention requirements as
the senior citizen travel pass. Regulation 15 also removes the
requirement for ID to be current. There have been reports, following
previous elections, of a small number of otherwise eligible electors
who have been unable to vote because, on arriving at the polling
station, they have presented out-of-date photographic ID. I do not
believe that a person should be disfranchised simply because his or her
ID is not current. In order to maximise voter participation, the
regulations will allow electors to vote regardless of whether their ID
is current, as long as the presiding officer is satisfied that the ID
confirms the voters
identity.
The
regulations also contain provision to encourage more young people to
register to vote. At present, young people are particularly
under-represented on the electoral register. For that reason,
regulation 42 contains changes that will allow the chief electoral
officer to request information from secondary schools in Northern
Ireland. That information would then be used to invite older pupils to
register. It is intended that this provision will build upon the chief
electoral officers current information-gathering powers and we
hope it will offer an innovative solution to increasing the
registration rates of young people in Northern Ireland.
I shall now
briefly explain the purpose of the draft Service Voters
Registration Regulations (Northern Ireland) Order 2008. This order
extends the period for which members of the armed forces or their
partners who have made a service declaration may remain registered as
electors before being required to make a further declaration. That
period is currently set at one year in Northern Ireland; the order will
extend it to three years and will bring Northern Ireland into line with
Great Britain.
I appreciate
that the draft regulations are technical and lengthy, but the changes
made in them and the process of consolidating the existing legislation
will, I believe, ensure that the already complex rules governing
elections are made easier for all concerned to follow, and underpin the
effective administration of elections in Northern
Ireland.
2.36
pm
Christopher
Fraser (South-West Norfolk) (Con): May I first say what a
privilege and a pleasure it is to serve under your chairmanship, Lady
Winterton? I shall speak on both orders together.
The overall
purpose of the regulations is to improve the administration of
parliamentary elections in Northern Ireland and in doing so, make it
easier for people to vote. Although I support the Governments
intention to improve the electoral process, there are concerns that
these measures will not achieve that effectively. The order extends
some provisions from the Electoral Administration Act 2006 to Northern
Ireland, but will differ in some respects from the system in England
and Wales. The draft Representation of the People (Northern Ireland)
Regulations 2008 will allow people to register later in an election
period, up to 11 days prior to polling day. That will be backed up by
safeguards to protect against fraud, as the Minister has pointed out.
The measure is broadly supported as it brings Northern Ireland in line
with the rest of the United Kingdom. Will the Minister give his
assurance that the safeguards that he refers to will be adequate for
the
purpose?
Extending
the forms of identification that can be used when voting in an election
should do a lot to increase voter turnout. The memorandum of order gave
a striking statistic that 2,400 electors in the May 2007 election were
turned away because they did not have what was deemed to be acceptable
identification. That should not be the case and it is important that it
is made as easy as possible for people to vote. The Government claim
that the decline in numbers of electors in Northern Ireland has been in
part due to the legal requirement that the electoral register be
renewed annually. The order will remove that legal requirement.
However, that is the system currently in England in Wales. Will the
Minister be more specific about why the annual canvass should be
adequate for England and Wales, but not for Northern Ireland?
The
regulations extend the power of the chief electoral officer and it
seems that it will be left to him to ensure voter registration. Does
the Minister not agree that voter registration should be primarily the
responsibility of the people themselves, rather than being handled by
one single person? My concern is that the chief electoral officer will
not be efficiently resourced to undertake the job that he is there to
do.
The order
also gives power to the chief electoral officer to carry out a full
canvass where he believes it is necessary. Will the Minister clarify
what would necessitate the CEO calling for a full canvass?
The order
also attempts to address an imbalance in the register, whereby young
people are under-represented in the way that the Minister has
indicated. I do not need to stress how important it is to ensure that
young people are registered to vote. Will the Minister confirm in more
detail how allowing the chief electoral officer increased access to
more information will encourage young people to vote? I am not clear
from what he has said that that would achieve the objectives set out in
the order. Would that not be more easily achieved through annual
registration and a concerted effort by the Government to encourage
young people to
vote?
The
draft Service Voters Registration Period (Northern Ireland)
Order extends the duration of a service voters registration as
an elector from one to three years. That was carried out in the rest of
the United Kingdom in 2006 and will now be extended to Northern
Ireland. Does the Minister agree that the term service
personnel could be misleading? The Government are
referringI assume from the documentation that I have
receivedto
the armed services, but service personnel could include
by definition the police and other services. Could the Minister clarify
that the term refers solely to the armed
services?
Finally,
politicians are too often given the task of urging people to
participate in the electoral process, but there may be reasons why
people do not want to vote and there is only a certain amount that any
of us can do to encourage them. However, we need an efficient
Administration to support the electoral system and therefore the
democratic
process.
2.41
pm
Mr.
Eddie McGrady (South Down) (SDLP): I think that this is
the first time that I have had the pleasure of serving under your
chairmanship, Lady Winterton, and I hope to benefit from your leniency.
First, I would like to welcome in general terms the first of the draft
orders.
2.41
pm
Sitting
suspended for a Division in the
House.
2.56
pm
On
resuming
Mr.
McGrady: My thoughts have been scattered by the light
entertainment that we had during the suspension. I will try to focus
again. I was just saying that this is the first time I have served
under your chairmanship, Lady
Winterton.
We
welcome the broad thrust of the regulations and in particular the
facilitation of the registration process. We welcome the modernising of
procedures in the amending order and in particular the registration
through electronic signatures. I put on record my partys
appreciation of the dialogue that we had with the Minister. We were
pleased with the reception, the courtesy and the promptness with which
he dealt with our
queries.
I
shall relate one or two minor queries to the Minister. First,
regulation 27(7) states that an application for registration can be
made
otherwise than
on a form provided by the registration
officer.
Presumably,
such a form, correspondence or letter must contain a minimum of
information. It is not clear what the minimum requirement is for
accepting an application for registration on such non-statutory
forms.
Secondly,
regulation 62 on the applications of absent voters states that the
registration officer must reply to the applicant where
practicable. I would like clarification on what
practicable means. I assume that, to be valid, an
absent voters application should contain sufficient information
for the electoral officer to be able to reply. If not, the application
would be
invalid.
I
query that because practicable does not have a
definition. Perhaps it means that in the several rushed days and weeks
before an election, the registration officer might not have the time,
staff or facilities to reply. I seek a categorical assurance that that
is not what is meant by practicable, but that it means
that the registration officer might not be able to respond because of
the information provided on the
application.
Thirdly,
we have had a disagreement with Ministers over the past months and
years about whether there should be time limits on photographic
identification.
Given the dramatic transition that befalls us all as we go from being
young to middle-aged to old, we thought that there should be time
limits. A heavier burden may be placed on electoral officers if they
have to make a subjective judgment about whether the person featured on
an out-of-date photographic document is the person applying for the
vote.
Perhaps
the Minister will indicate whether any sort of direction, rules or
regulations will apply, as I see great friction being caused on the day
of the poll, when a voter comes along with an out-of-date,
dubious-looking old photograph. The presiding officer should not be put
in that position. We argued, unsuccessfully, that a 10-year rule would
probably be appropriate. Photographic identity such as passports and
licences must be renewed every 10 years or so. This is a
point of clarification. I do not think that the order would be amended
by it in any way. It is not a criticism but a way of seeking
information.
I welcome the
extension to the young voter registration facility. I understand that
the Department of Education and the education boards in Northern
Ireland will be prepared to facilitate the transfer of the appropriate
information from them to the Electoral Office, to ensure that all
potential new young voters are able to register without too much
trouble. There will, of course, not be compulsory
registration.
Finally,
I refer to the 2010 general canvass, which will be at the instigation
or the interpretation of the Electoral Office, subject of course to the
Secretary of States acceptance of the reasons. Again, I would
like to think that those reasons would be narrow and fundamental, and
not simply that because of the inconvenience, the cost and the lack of
staff the Electoral Office could decide to forgo the general canvass.
There have to be more serious or unusual reasons for it not to proceed.
Otherwise, subject to the Ministers answer, I am pleased that
the electoral process has in one sense been further tightened up, and
in another sense made more available to the public, in particular the
young public in Northern
Ireland.
3.3
pm
Mr.
Nigel Dodds (Belfast, North) (DUP): It is a pleasure to
serve under your chairmanship, Lady Winterton. I thank members of the
Committee and the Minister for his opening remarks. I welcome the hon.
Member for South-West Norfolk in his role as Opposition spokesman. Even
though he is on his ownsome members of the Committee are not
presenthe made a valuable contribution. He takes a keen
interest in Northern Ireland and his contribution will no doubt be
noted by those of us who represent the
Province.
I
add my broad welcome to both orders. They are useful improvements. On
registration, there are those of us who go out and knock on doors at
election time and take the trouble to speak to our electorate and to
meet voters face to face. All too often nowadays parties do not do
that. They tend to stuff a leaflet in an envelope through the door and
run away. Certainly, in my constituency, that is what they tend to
do.
There are
parties in the House that do not bother to knock the doors of electors
in Northern Ireland to seek their votes, even though they enact laws
for Northern
Ireland. I heard recently that the Conservative party was considering
fielding more candidates in Northern Ireland. I would greatly welcome
that, because it would probably be to the advantage of the Democratic
Unionist party. I hope that there will be greater engagement by the
Conservatives, and that the Labour party will follow suit in due course
and seek to put itself forward and have its policies tested at election
time in Northern Ireland as
well.
As
we go from door to door, we know that many people focus on whether they
are on the electoral register only when the election is under way. Then
they discover to their horror or disappointmentsometimes to
their pleasurethat they are not on the register, and by that
stage it is too late. The regulations will allow us to correct that.
Obviously there must be a cut-off, but the regulations will give people
some opportunity once an election is in the offing, or even a short
time after it is officially declared, to amend their position and
participate in the election. I welcome that. We have supported it
before, and we welcome
it.
We
also welcome the measures on photographic ID. During the last Assembly
elections and in the previous parliamentary elections, I met a number
of people who were turned away because their photographic ID was just
out of date. I take the point made by the hon. Member for South Down
about the problems that can arise if photographic ID is considerably
out of date, but most peoples is just out of datea few
days or a matter of weeks, particularly if it is a bus pass or
something like thatand they are greatly frustrated and angered
at being refused their vote. The flexibility and latitude built in is
absolutely right. At the end of the day, even if it is a few days or
weeks out of date, the point of photographic ID is to corroborate that
the person standing in the polling station is who they say they are. It
is a technicality, so that measure is welcome as
well.
In
order to get more people to register and to vote on the day, I urge the
Minister to ensure that the measure is advertised as widely as
possible. It is important that the chief electoral officer is given the
resources to do his job and to ensure that people are aware of
continuous registrationthe fact that if they register now, they
will be on the register for a considerable periodand the fact
that they now have greater flexibility in ID, certainly in the period
when an election is
called.
On
the registration of young people, it is welcome that the list of bodies
that can be targeted will be extended to include secondary schools. My
office has done considerable work with our local electoral officer and
the chief electoral officer, with whom we have had a number of meetings
recently about increasing the number of people on the electoral
register. My constituency, along with other Belfast constituencies, has
seen a decline in registration. We are putting in an enormous amount of
work, as I know other parties are, to increase the number of people on
the electoral roll, but more could be done at an official level, so I
welcome the initiative on schools, particularly as we are trying to
encourage more young people to take part in the electoral
process.
The hon.
Member for South-West Norfolk was with me earlier today at a meeting in
this place with schoolkids from Wallace high school in Lisburn, who all
expressed great interest in the political process that they were here
to learn more about, and support for the devolved institutions in
Northern Ireland. Amazingly, some even
expressed an interest in following a political career. It is important
that we try to get as many people involved in the political and
electoral process as
possible.
I
welcome the draft Service Voters Registration Period (Northern
Ireland) Order 2008. Again, it will bring us into line with the rest of
the UK. On behalf of my party, I support the regulations and the order,
and I urge the Minister to do everything in his power to give the chief
electoral officer and his staff all the resources they need to carry
out their functions
properly.
3.9
pm
Mr.
Austin Mitchell (Great Grimsby) (Lab): I am intervening to
put a couple of questions. We have always had different title
regulations in Northern Ireland. What we are doing here is to introduce
some of the changes from the Electoral Administration Act 2006,
extending them to Northern Ireland. In effect, that will make the
procedures more relaxed. My understanding is that the difference is
because there was always a higher incidence of electoral fraud in
Northern Ireland. Could the Minister quantify that, so that we can see
the difference between the two systems? That is an important point and
worth some more
information.
I
have a memory, distant now, from when I used to teach people science,
preparing practicals, before I came here. I will use an example from
David Butlers British general elections seriesI think
it was the 1951 bookwhich gave an account of how the
nationalists, because in the previous general election three streets
known to be nationalist turned out to have voted before the nationalist
scrutineers arrived at the polling booth in the morning, put their
scrutineers in straight away. Those streets, when they did vote, voted
nationalist. Scrutineers were checking on personation. The result was
that that attracted the attention of an angry mob outside. The
scrutineers had to be taken away at the end of the days polling
by armoured car, because of the angry mob of Unionists outside the
polling booth. That was 1951a world
away.
It
is clear that there are still differences. One of those differences is
that there is less provision for postal voting in Northern Ireland than
we have conceded in the United Kingdom. Why that difference? Is it
because the Government fear more electoral fraud if the system that we
have here is extended to Northern Ireland? Or are they now having
second thoughts about the extensionliberalisationof
postal voting that took place here in 2006? There has certainly been
strenuous criticism, particularly in the Daily Mail, which
usually seizes any opportunity to criticise the
Governmentalways unfairly, of course. There has been criticism
that those systems are too lax and are leading to personation and
electoral fraud problems in this country. What is the
Governments view? Is it using the statutory requirements in
Northern Ireland because of electoral fraud, or are they requirements
that the Government now think, in the light of experience with previous
legislation, should be extended to this
country?
3.13
pm